I don’t really see the problem.
You need a negative test to fly, then immediately into quarantine where you’re tested daily and cannot leave if you are positive. Then it’s enforced self isolation for a spell.
At what point can we say “This person may be foreign but they do not, in fact, have covid”?
If someone doesn’t have covid, they don’t have it. What difference does it make if they happen to be foreign? Covid doesn’t seem to have any problem doing the rounds here, regardless of the border policy .
I’m a bit disappointed at some of the commenters here. The policy is obviously based on a fear of the outsider rather than any scientific basis and the commenters here have bought into it! The only difference between you and someone this article talks about is that you already snagged a visa. Where are all my “We need to stop living in fear!” / “It’s just a flu!” / “We need to get back to normal NOW!” guys?! lol
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Even if one person dies from taking the shot, that is way too much
How many have died from covid?
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Just a bit of context for those jumping on the story to scaremonger about the vaccines: while these cases are tragic, Japan has administered around 200,000,000 shots so far.
60% of people have had a shot
50% have had two.
These stories (which again, are tragic and worthy of serious investigation) are an anomaly.
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As long as it doesn’t interfere with the 5G my shot gave me, I’m fine.
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This is where good reporting is absolutely vital: is that normal for a vaccine? That rather important context is missing from this piece.
I notice people have to get flu shots every year, so I assume that it’s kind of common for some vaccines to lose some of their efficacy over time. But I don’t know the details and that’s what we could really do with learning from the news outlets we trust.
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Must absolutely, definitely not use peer pressure. This is Japan, after all.
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the number of elderly people testing positive for the coronavirus has been rising recently despite most of them having been vaccinated
The number of covid positive people isn't the relevant number if we're drawing inferences concerning the vaccine. For that, we would need to know what percentage of people dying/in hospital are fully vaccinated.
From what I've read, the people who die or go to hospital are almost exclusively unvaccinated. Vaccines seem very effective in keeping people alive and out of hospital.
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Yeah, sign me up. My two were NBD. Whatever it takes to save lives and get back to normal because I'm so tired of it all.
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"It's almost like they don't care about the rest of the world. They're being selfish and self-centered,"
It's EXACTLY like they don't care about the rest of the world! The unvaccinated are keeping hospitals full and covid stories front and centre in the news.
We can make covid far less dangerous and less easy to catch. We have a chance at going back to normal and being able to travel again etc.
Instead, there's a section of the population trying to make a virtue and carve out a whole personality out of refusing the vaccine. With all their 'news' hosts re-enforcing their views, it seems like they spend quite a lot of time and energy milking the idea of not getting vaxxed.
It would be quicker and easier just to take one in the arm for the team!
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Can't say I blame them. Aside from the hypocrisy that others haved mentioned here, there's just the incessant cyclical nature of these states of emergency. We're in one for two months, then it's relaxed a bit, then a week later the numbers jump and we're back to square one.
All the while, it's only people who want to enjoy themselves (people that want to drink in particular) that bare the entirety of the measures. Trains are seemingly no less busy, so there isn't much working from home going on, for example.
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Does he think Bach has 40 million shots of Pfizer in his pocket?
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if you look at the facts 17 people died severe cases down by 16.
This means that one was added to the severe cases
You say this every day but your equation does not allow for people getting better. Death isn't the only way out of the "severe case" category.
Do you really think there was only one severe case in all of Japan??
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I'm all for personal responsibility where one's own health is concerned, but we're talking about a highly contagious, deadly disease. Since when do we leave it up to the individual whether or not they act to protect other people?
There's no smoking indoors in the UK. There are speed limits, alcohol limits and licenses required on the roads. It's a serious criminal offense to knowingly give a person HIV.
These laws exist because if something is 1% inconvenient, people won't do it, even if it protects others. Especially bosses if something stands in the way of a profit.
Johnson is just trying to abdicate responsibility at a time when Britain needs him to make tough, possibly unpopular calls. But I can't say I'm surprised.
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I very much doubt that deaths are outpacing new severe cases!! That would imply that more people are dying of covid than are getting very sick from it.
Nationwide servere case fell by 5.
Death nationwide 9.
So actually and increase of 4 in severe cases.
501 - 9 = 492
496 - 492 = 4 new severe cases.
Death is not the only way out of a severe case of covid. People recover.
How about this:
501 severe - 9 deaths = 492 severe
492 severe - 36 recoveries* = 456 severe
456 severe + 40 new severe cases* = 496 (the new total)
I think something like that is far more likely since not everyone who goes into hospital dies, and the 4 new severe cases you suggest out of 1485 total cases nationwide would actually be a stunningly good ratio! (0.27%)I've taken a punt at the number of recoveries and new severe cases because those figures aren't mentioned in the article (neither is "4 new severe cases") and we know that people who are in a bad way with Corona often get better. They don't all die.
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Well, I’m certainly not here to defend the decision to hold the Olympics or suggest opening up immediately.
However the data out of the UK where a lot of (but not quite enough) people are vaccinated - first shot: 67% / second shot: 50% - is quite promising. They’re about a month into a Delta variant-driven third wave and cases are exploding. However, they’re not seeing hospitalisations and deaths commensurate with such a wave, even though the third wave is almost purely Delta variant.
Although the vaccines don’t stop corona altogether, they do make it far less dangerous, even the Delta variant. With the vaccine rollout in Japan finally up to speed, we could see some progress happening here in the not too distant future. So again, it’s not the time to relax, it’s the time to vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate and hopefully by Christmas, we may be looking at something close to normality.
(For anyone who’s interested, here’s a pretty good breakdown of the situation in the UK:
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After seeing the anti-vaxxers and covid deniers get rightly down-voted these last few months, it's frustrating to see the JT commenters turn on those who point out that the vaccines are actually doing their job!
The vaccine rollout has picked up speed (albeit rather late) with over a million shots delivered per day. All they have to do is stay the course, get the shots in arms as quickly as possible and maybe we can start to see a return to normality in the next 6-12 months.
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I’ve never posted before but I felt inclined to on this occasion because there’s something interesting occurring here that I’ve started to notice in my daily life.
‘The Resident’ has said that things are looking up and with enough vaccinations, things could be looking much better in a few months, but has been heavily downvoted and ripped for this. I’m not sure why?!
The data out of the U.K. shows that the vaccines have caused a disconnect between the number of cases and the number of hospitalisations/deaths. They’re experiencing a full-blown third wave of the Delta variant no less, but with only half of the population fully vaxxed, the trends look like this:
I get the trepidation given that the vaccine rollout didn’t get off to the best start here (to put it mildly), but for the last three or four weeks, Japan has been giving a million or more shots per day:
So given the increasingly rapid rollout here and the ability of vaccines to keep people out of the hospital and especially the cemetery, what’s wrong with saying that things will be looking much better in a few months? Where’s the harm in a bit of optimism?
Singapore has even begun to stop looking at raw case numbers and only count the serious cases. That sounds like it would be a sensible move in future as again, vaccines render the virus much less of a threat (even against the Delta variant). Therefore knowing the number of cases will be less relevant.
So we’re not out of the woods just yet and we need to be cautious, but I feel like in the not too distant future, we could get back to our normal lives (or something very similar).
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