Antiquesaving comments

bass4funk

Today 05:00 pm JST

Again dodging the question and answer!

> I don’t dodge, not my style

And yet you did it again!

Daniel Pearl, Shani

What does Pakistan terrorists have to do with you pointing out what you claimed!

You claimed that western countries/democracies do the same things as Israel does: Legal torture, detention without charges or trial, abductions without arrest warrants, etc... all be the government!

You haven't given a single example.

All you have done is point to non democracies and terrorist groups.

Don't try saying something like police profiling etc..it isn't even close to unlimited detention in a blackhole prisons without contact, legal representation, torture, etc....

> Ok, so you don’t want to hear the truth, you want me to say something to make you feel good?

I know the truth! You are dodging the question again!

You are trying everything to dodge the question.

You try comparing state torture, illegal detention, etc..to things like police profiling!

You try comparing state sponsored torture, etc...to that of terrorists but not a single western democracy!

Now tell us what western countries/democracies have this as their official policy and where the laws permit it!

> Any country that is being attacked unjustifiably.

But the facts are , Israel has attacked more countries and killed more people in refugees camps, hospital, schools than it has actually been attacked.

Israel has kill before October 7th 12 times in number of Palestinians than Palestinians or anyone else has kill Israelis.

And that is only counting Palestinians inside the Israeli controlled territory!

If we add in the thousands more killed by Israel in Syria and Lebanon that number goes way up.

So I am still waiting for those western democracies that have a legal policy to detain people without trial or charges indefinitely and where torture is legal.

zibala

Today 05:00 pm JST

Israel is like everything in the middle East, a fake democracy!

> Except, Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East.

Nope!

Democracies don't detain people for years without trial or charges, Democracies, don't kill people in the thousands for just protesting, democracies don't regularly torture people!

Israel does all the about and has done so for decades!

Only Israel has a yearly report and condemnation resolution on the above every year! No other western democracy does.

But Iran, Syria, etc...do and that puts Israel in the same category as them.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 04:28 pm JST

I don't think the Gulf states are as pro-Iran as you think they are

I never said they are!

But they are well aware of their own populations mood and position on Israel and the Arabs/Palestinians being killed by Israel!

They know there survival depends on keeping their population from getting angry at them, so if siding a little with Iran does that, then that is what they will do!

John

Today 04:21 pm JST

The attack was a failure. Iran looks feckless and the technological superiority of Israel is affirmed.

Come on be realistic!

It was a success! A pr stunt for Iran to save face and the Saudis etc...had a big part in it!

As for Israel's technology, Jordan knocked half out before they even got close to Israel.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 04:14 pm JST

AntiquesavingToday 02:42 pm JST

> So if Israel is going to be stupid and continue this, it will have to do it on its own, the USA will not be able to help unless it wants to lose its bases in multiple countries!

> Guess it is good the US has aircraft carriers and other ships throughout the region. Could also always use Syria and Iraqi airspace which clearly have no issues with the war being fought over them.

You are a funny one!

You complain about China and Russia, but if Israel does the same thing you suddenly defend it!

Egypt has the Suez canal!

And the naval bases those carriers depend on are in Gulf states!

A single surface to ship missile gets through and no base to pull into will make for an interesting situation!

bass4funk

Today 03:57 pm JST

So you can't, got it!

> I can, that is why I said, take you pick. Choose one country that is multicultural and I can tell you some injustices. Hope that clarifies any doubts.

Again dodging the question and answer!

Some injustices!!!

No no no, you aren't getting off that easy!

Killing thousands of unarmed civilians!

Holding thousands in blackhole prisons without charges for years.

Torture!

Those are the things Israel does and even the USA has asked them to stop!

Now tell us what western countries/democracies have this as their official policy and where the laws permit it!

Don't try saying something like police profiling etc..it isn't even close to unlimited detention in a blackhole prisons without contact, legal representation, torture, etc....

Again I await your examples of a western democracy that permits legally what Israel does.

bass4funk

Today 03:32 pm JST

Again, there will never be a two state solution to all of this.

Still waiting for you to answer, are you ready to just give up your land and country if some other group comes along claiming God gave it to them thousands of years ago!

Anything other than yes, means you expected/expect the Arabs/Palestinians to do something you are unwilling to do!

bass4funk

Today 03:32 pm JST

give us a few examples where other western democracies openly and officially discriminate against minorities,

> Most in one form or another, take your pick.

So you can't, got it!

Israel has violated more UN resolutions than all the western democracies put together!

> And the Muslim nations more. Kidnappings, beheadings, torture etc…

So again you point to non democracies in order to defend Israeli actions thus including Israel with these non democracies!

bass4funk

Today 03:06 pm JST

But to your point this is why I doubt there will ever be a 2 state solution. The Arabs do not and will never live peacefully side by side with Israel. It just won’t happen.

Ask yourself this!

What if people from another place arrive at your home, your country, your land and say:

" God gave us this land and we were here 2000 years ago, it is now ours"

Be honest! Would you just accept that and say "okay here you go, take it, it's yours"

Or would you more likely say "No, it is my land and what happened 2000 years ago has no relevance today"

So unless you are willing to accept giving your land and country up in a similar situation, then you cannot justify anything regarding Israel!

bass4funk

Today 03:06 pm JST

Israel is like everything in the middle East, a fake democracy!

> Wrong.

> It calls itself a Jewish state but has 21% non Jewish population of Arabs that have little or no representation with only 3% of The knesset being Arabs,

> You just said, it’s the Jewish State, now are there by any chance of Jews or Christian’s being represented in Muslim nations in government?

> the poorest section are Arabs jobs in the government don't go to Arabs, even the Committee for Arab affairs didn't have a single Arab on it until 2023 and they refused go give that one Arab member voting rights!

> Jews probably wouldn’t be given any rights either in Muslim countries.

> Imagine any western country having a committee on minority affairs but not having a single minority on it!

> We call that DEI in the U.S.

> Welcome to reality, Israel is not a democracy!

> It is the only democracy in the Middle East, May not be perfect but efficient nonetheless. But to your point this is why I doubt there will ever be a 2 state solution. The Arabs do not and will never live peacefully side by side with Israel. It just won’t happen.

So your excuse for Israel's mistreatment of its Arab population it to point to Muslim countries and say whataboutism!

So I guess you are admitting that Israel is not a democracy like the west because your only way to justify Israel's actions is to point to what you say are not democracies in the middle East.

So if Israel is a democracy as you claim, give us a few examples where other western democracies openly and officially discriminate against minorities, and have the right to hold people without trial or charges for years!

Even the USA couldn't under its law and that is why they used Guantanamo Bay, because otherwise they would have had to grant those prisoners, rights, a timely trial and Legal representation.

Israel has violated more UN resolutions than all the western democracies put together!

Desert Tortoise

Today 01:41 pm JST

The Iranian attack wasn't very effective. The great majority of their missiles and drones were shot down and those that did hit something did very little damage. Some pundits are speculating Iran deliberately pulled punches to avoid a massive Israeli response.

Well the great thing about the internet is not having to accept the western news propaganda of the MSM.

India and Turkey news is reporting that all the Gulf states and Turkey sent diplomats to talk to Iran and made some agreements for an acceptable response to Israel's actions.

In exchange, all these States including Turkey would inform the USA it cannot use airspace or military bases in their countries to attack Iran !

This was confirmed by Turkish news that NATO member Turkey refused USA request to use it's airspace!

So if Israel is going to be stupid and continue this, it will have to do it on its own, the USA will not be able to help unless it wants to lose its bases in multiple countries!

zibala

Today 02:00 pm JST

Because most of the West is a democracy, like Israel.

Israel is like everything in the middle East, a fake democracy!

It calls itself a Jewish state but has 21% non Jewish population of Arabs that have little or no representation with only 3% of The knesset being Arabs, the poorest section are Arabs jobs in the government don't go to Arabs, even the Committee for Arab affairs didn't have a single Arab on it until 2023 and they refused go give that one Arab member voting rights!

Imagine any western country having a committee on minority affairs but not having a single minority on it!

Welcome to reality, Israel is not a democracy!

Larry

Today 12:15 pm JST

Seems many on this thread have forgotten how savagely the Arab men of hamas brutalized young Jewish females, elderly women and babies. They use their own children as shields. Cowardly to say the least.

Seems just as many forgot, don't know, ignored, didn't care, don't care, etc...that fir decades Israel has violated human rights of Palestinians, Arab Israelis, other countries sovereignty, bombed refugee camps, hospitals, schools, killed over 6,000 Palestinian civilians 40% being women and children by police and IDF, another 1000 by settlers, holds over 6,000 Palestinians without charges or trial at any given time including women and children and subjected to torture according to the UN, expanded settlements in the west bank on more stolen land after killing the actual owners, increasing from the agreed 140 to now 280 against all agreements, UN resolutions, etc...all before October 7th!

Stove, meet pot!

bass4funk

Today 08:51 am JST

What excuses?

You mean facts?

Facts that revisiting doesn’t help anyone. What happened, happened

Yes it does! Because not doing so let's the USA repeat the same mistakes again!

Because the USA arranged a coup against an elected government it didn't like and put a dictator in its place!

> Yes, it was wrong in hindsight.

> With out that one single thing everything would be different!

> That is a fact!

> No one is disputing this.

Apparently they are by saying "it is the past no point in revisiting it" and cheering on the USA to again interfere and repeat the same mistakes!

bass4funk

Today 08:29 am JST

So now you’re making excuses would’ve could’ve should’ve?

What excuses?

You mean facts?

Perhaps you should look at history and facts!

Why does Iran have this hardline government?

Because the USA arranged a coup against an elected government it didn't like and put a dictator in its place!

With out that one single thing everything would be different!

That is a fact!

, Israel has democracy only for a certain portion of its population with 21% having second class status,

> And there are a multitude of reasons for that.

Nice to see the "democracy" you claim easily dismissed when it suits you and justifying ethnic oppression!

So it seems that my comment wasn't complete!

Seems that even NATO member Turkey has refused the USA request to use it's airspace in possible attack on Iran.

bass4funk

Today 08:03 am JST

I feel sorry for the good people in Iran for what’s about to come. Once these crazy mullahs are out of power the nation of Iran can become a nation of peace.

You mean like when they were at peace with a democratically elected government and the USA orchestrated s coup to put a USA friendly Shah in power and setting off all the events that has lead to what is happening today?

That kind of peace?

If the USA had kept it's nose out and where it belongs there would be no "crazy mullahs" in power in Iran!

And had Israel respected international laws Iran would not be attacking it right now!

The USA and Israel call themselves democracies but in reality they are bullies, Israel has democracy only for a certain portion of its population with 21% having second class status, the USA version of democracy is one rule for us and the rests we decide who is in power!

I previously wrote in a reply to a comment that no country in the region would help Iran, that this was probably true (at least openly), but none of Israel's neighbours would help Israel.

I added that Israel's neighbours may actually quietly try to hinder Israel and or the USA in any retaliation if Iran attacked Israel!

Well apparently every middle East state where the USA has military bases have quietly informed the USA they will not permit the USA to use the bases or airspace in/of their countries in any attack on Iran if the USA decides to aid Israel.

This includes Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc...

This information came from multiple sources including USA all quietly leaked to different news services.

None not even the USA will put this out directly publicly for diplomatic reasons but "leak" it so Israelis knows the situation and the USA leaders can publicly say they stand ready to help Israel despite the reality!

Remember, all these Arab and Muslim majority states are not pleased by the USA inaction regarding the killing of civilians by Israel public opinion in those countries I'd highly pro Palestinian.

Egypt can refuse access to the Suez canal, and would be under heavy pressure by its population to do so!

So it may be Israel is on its own unless the USA wants to lose its bases across the region!

This can't be! Being stopped because they look different or are foreigners!

No!

I mean for the past several years in this comment section, I have been told over and over again that if I or someone else was being stopped, it was because we must have done something to attract police attention and or it is our attitude etc...

But of course, even after the court case, the article, we still have the:

" I have never seen this",

the

"I have never been stopped"

funny everyone that has ever said this to me when I push and ask a bit more suddenly admit they have but refuse to admit it and claim it was no different than others and was for a safety check, a bicycle check or some other excuse in order to ignore the fact they had been stopped.

I didn't even bother reading other comments but I already know what certain ones are going to say and how they are going to claim exactly what I wrote above and make excuses for the police!

By 2040, Muslims will replace Jews as the nation's second-largest religious group after Christians

Pew research, CNN, etc...

This was the research results in 2018.

Since then the increase has accelerated and now new preliminary data is showing that date may be even closer to 2030 or 2035 .

This sudden change in the predictions is due to a sharp decrease in the number of children Jewish people are having and geopolitical situations and economic development in the world's Muslim community, making it easier to immigrate to the USA under "investor" programs and business expansion and killed professionals (doctors, engineers, etc..)

All this coupled with higher than average birth rates compared to the rest of the USA population!

Has the USA leaders ever heard of backing the wrong horse?

There are around 15 million Jews in the world ( some say 20 million but the 15 million number is known as "core Jews" those identifying as Jews above all else) of those Jews a majority support Israel (estimates between 60% and 80%). Half live in Israel!

Now the other side, 1.9 billion Muslims with many of the Muslim majority countries growing fast not just in numbers but in power financially, politically!

These Muslim populations may not all be hostile towards Israel (or the USA) but with total disregard by Israel and the USA in the killing of Palestinian civilians especially children ( viewed as Muslims in their eyes), all the USA and Israel are doing is creating a far larger base of hatred and the numbers don't make the future look very good!

I know the "Americans" will go on about the USA being the greatest, strongest, best country in history, blah blah blah.

But remember, Rome, Mongols, the Ottoman, the British Empire, etc..all claimed the same thing in their respective times and all ended up collapsing under the pressure of others as the opposition to their power and control grew.

Palestinian health officials say over 460 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by Israeli forces since the war erupted in October.

Why is this so shocking and news other than the fact it was a larger group than usual doing the attacking and killings?

460 since October! Notice the news doesn't ask or if it did doesn't point it out, but an equal number of Palestinians had been killed by settlers in 2023 prior to October!

Before October, 2023 was the deadliest year in the West Bank with nearly 500 Palestinians killed by settlers and an increase in land being taken by settlers from those killed and chasing others off their land.

Before 2023 over 1,000 Palestinians had already been killed by settlers.

The number of settlements has gone from the agreed 140 to 280 by the end of 2023 with 140 new totally illegal settlements all done by force a terror by settlers with IDF backing them up when Palestinisn authority police try to investigate killings and land taking or remove them, using the excuse the IDF is "protecting" Israelis!

These settler terrorist attacks are not new, this was not the first, it will not be the last and not a single person on the Israeli side will be arrested or charged.

But under the guise of being under threat, more weapons will be issued to settlers to " protect" themselves against "revenge" attacks, this is not speculation, this was the pattern done in previous similar situations!

And the USA will veto again any resolution the security Council makes against Israel.

Jimizo

Today 10:19 pm JST

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Antiquesaving

Today 09:28 pm JST

I was not saying that to Wallace but about Western society!

How to deal with drug use is an incredibly difficult topic.

No it really isn't!

The most successful drug rehabilitation program are all based on one single base foundation!

" you ( the addict) are responsible for your decisions (again talking to the addict ) and you (again the addict) have to take accept that because only you (again the addict) can make the choice to stop"

The number one reason for people being kicked out of drug rehab is because they continue to refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions and repeat the Mantra of being the victim!

wallace

Today 09:39 pm JST

Victim blaming is never a solution.

Blaming others for your own bad decisions isn't either!

I had a whole family of alcoholics and today nearly everyone doesn't drink or rarely drinks!

Why? Because they learned from what happened to those before us!

No one blamed the alcohol companies, no one force anyone to drink!

Someone that is physically attacked, s.xually assaulted, robbed, abused l, etc...are victims they didn't not agree to what happened to them, someone that goes out and willingly buys alcohol, drugs and takes them is doing do voluntarily!

wallace

Today 06:26 pm JST

Read the above comment!

It is exactly everything wrong with the industry the society and why we cannot get a handle on the drug problem in the west!

Everything is an excuse, someone else's fault and not our business.

But don't worry, we have YouTube, Tik Tok, X, etc... to shame Jane and Joe if they say one politically incorrect thing in public and to force their employers to fire them and ruin their lives.

But:

It is also about her music, songs, and performances. If the music was pulled from every musician or band that is into drugs or alcohol there would be little music left to listen to. When it came to heavy drugs she was influenced by her addict boyfriend.

And the lesson being learn but the youth? "You are ok to abuse drugs but careful with your opinions!

ebisen

Today 12:45 pm JST

They wanted her to go to rehab.

> And she said No! No! No!

And today so many still idolize her and any negative press is called out for disrespecting the dead and s great talent!

Then we wonder why the West is now dealing with a near epidemic drug problem.

Had her label, get family, i-tunes, Google music, etc ... pulled her music, refused to let her keep making money, recording etc...until she got clean, there is a good chance she would be alive today.

Instead they actually recorded and sold a song about not going to rehab as if it was something "brave" !

Sadly, making examples out if celebrities by completely shunning them until they get clean would be a better way of telling people drugs are not a good thing or acceptable.

But no, not even western legal system treats them like the general population.

What would get most of us tossed in jail gets them a tap on the wrist a fine and community service!

Only!

I guess they haven't checked the trash of these animal cafes!

Owls being one of the worst along with others especially those with nocturnal animals like hedgehogs, etc...

They keep these animals awake all day and this is unhealthy and leads to stress and death.

These cafes use certain terms like"

The owl is being fostered by a family

This actually means it died!

These places often don't want to pay for veterinarian care so if the animal is sick it is left to die because it is often cheaper to just replace it.

This is especially so with cats because the cats are often not any special breed so any common mix will do to replace them if they die at a fraction of the cost of a veterinarian.

zibala

Today 10:59 am JST

Israel on alert after Iranian threat as Gaza war grinds on

> Eleven different Arab countries have tried to attack and defeat Israel in the last 75 years,

Give it a rest!

The last time was 1973, the world is a very different place, the surrounding militaries are very different.

I'm looking at the map and I'm seeing zero Arab countries that would aid Iran in an attack on Israel.

And I look at the same map and see zero neighbours of Israel willing to help it!

To be exact most wouldn't help Iran but would hinder Israel!

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 08:54 am JST

Remember a year ago, the USA leaders and military said it would take Russia 10 years to replace and rebuild its military after all the losses.

But just this month the USA announced that Russia has not only replaced all its losses but is now bigger and getting bigger and surpassing what it had before the war!

This is the problem with propaganda, those creating it often ending up believing their own propaganda!

China has the manpower the industry the knowhow to increase everything from infantry to missiles at a rate the USA cannot, especially if the USA is involved in Israel, Ukraine at the same time!

All this silly bravado is only pushing us towards ww3 and the eventual destruction of all of us!

JboneInTheZone

Today 10:02 am JST

Well, look at a map, consider what nations are around Israel {Tuurkey...NATO member }, what nations dont recognise Israel, but recognise Palestine and nations like China would tread the middle line.

> What makes you think Iran would win in any way if nobody is going to jump in on their side? The U.S. would immediately jump in to aid Israel and it would be over

Would that be before or after it jumps in to aid Ukraine, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan etc....

USA has pledged to aid all of them but can't even supply Ukrainian with ammunition!

USA admits it won't even be able to produce half the amount of ammunition Russia is presently producing until 2025.

USA "predictions" were it would take Russia 10 years to replace its losses but oops now they admit that Russia has already done so and more!

So I wouldn't put much confidence in what the USA says or pledges even to Israel because lately it doesn't have a good track record.