I always enjoy the argument between soccer fans and football fans. Soccer, a sport where 'the dive' is an art form. Where players spend a lot of time standing around and watching the play, sometimes jogging pointlessly back and forth. Where 0-0 is an exciting result. Where kicking someone is considered a 'good tackle'.
Yeah. When I was growing up, strong guys played football. Fast guys played hockey. Guys who were neither strong nor fast played soccer, often with the girls.
If you think football players are unfit, you need to see the results of the NFL tryouts. 240 pound men who can run 40 yards in 4.4 seconds. Or do a 225 lb. bench press 45 times. It is a skilled and technical game that requires attention and intelligence to appreciate
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Sanjin; the two state solution is dead. It cannot happen if one side wants to murder the other side and push them into the ocean. It will take 15-20 years of radical deprogramming before Gazans or indeed any Palestinians are ready to see Israel as a legitimate country.
First step is eliminating Hamas, their supporters in Gaza, and their backers abroad. Second step is a de-Hamasification program, similar to that used in Japan after WW2 to end emperor worship. Third step is targeted international aid that goes to actually improving the lives of Gazans- NOT to terrorist activities or lining the pockets of corrupt officials. Then Gaza and Israel can have peace.
As for the "poor teenagers" who are jailed for 'throwing stones'- try going to a JSDF base and throwing stones at some of the soldiers there. See how long you can get away with it.
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It takes a very flexible 'mind' to think that far-right neo nazis and Jews could be on the same side of anything. In the US at least, Jewish voters trend centre to left and are a core component of the Democratic Party's voter base. Which is causing trouble now- the Democrats are caught between appeasing two fundamentally opposed wings of their party.
As for the hostages, one problem is that Hamas does not control all of them. Many were kidnapped by Islamic Jihad in Palestine, an even more radical group than Hamas, plus other small terror organizations.
It will be a happy day for all Palestinians when they can be freed from the yoke of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority both. Also when they can be de-programmed from the filthy and vile propaganda they have been fed for the past several decades. Then they can begin to enjoy the fruits of freedom.
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Capuchin- the greenhouses were destroyed for two reasons. First they were built by Jews and therefore tainted. Second, the components could be used to make terror rockets that could be fired at innocent Israeli civilians.
The idea that Gaza has anything to do with settlers or colonization is laughable. There are no Jews in Gaza, havent been for 15 years. No settlements in Gaza either. The kibbutzim that were built on the border to Gaza, the ones that were devastated by Hamas cowards, were built by peace loving left-wing Israelis. They wanted to extend the proverbial olive branch to Gaza- gave Gazans jobs, took Gazan children to hospitals in Israel, etc. And look how they were repaid. Rape, torture, murder, mutilation. Even now, the vans carrying Israeli and international hostages are JEERED when they leave Gaza. So I am getting tired of hearing about the so-called 'innocent civilians' being targeted. Seems the majority of Gaza support Hamas and support the atrocities of October 7th. Very well. The bill is coming due.
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Under investigation? Please. All you need to do is take a look at the body camera footage from devices worn by the Hamas barbarians to see the truth. Things happened that could not be described here.
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Treated well once in captivity perhaps. After all, they are valuable items for Hamas to use to extract concessions. Plus, captured Hams terrorists have confessed that they were paid substantial bounties for each Israeli kidnapped.
The torture and rape occurred on October 7, and most of those abused by Hamas were subsequently murdered.
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Hamas tortured and murdered fathers, tortured raped and murdered mothers, and kidnapped some children. Others they tortured, raped, and murdered. Israel imprisoned violent militants who attacked IDF soldiers and other criminal acts. Now, in an act of desperation, Hamas frees some of the innocents they kidnapped.
Meanwhile, released Palestinian prisoners shout, "we are the sword of Mohammed Daf" (the leader of Hamas).
I fail to see the moral equivalency.
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If this is "ethnic cleansing" then it is surely incompetent. At this rate, the cleansing will finish sometime in the 22nd century. Just another buzzword (like genocide and open air prison) that contributes nothing to the discussion- well, except to identify the bias of the writer.
The marchers- are they merely pro-Palestinian or do they also tacitly support Hamas? Because I have yet to see any of them sporting a sign that says, "Two State Solution Now", or "No to Terrorism, Yes to Palestinian Liberation".
However, as a lover of free speech I am dismayed at the British enforcing so-called anti hate laws. Hatred should not be a crime, it is simply a human emotion. Advocating violence? Different story. But just creative signs, even with Nazi/Jewish symbols intertwined, should be permitted. Being racist is despicable, but not criminal.
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The older ladies being released are lucky survivors, if you can belueve it. In many cases, the Hamas animals decided to simply kill older women as they were not rapable.
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Wallace- that is 20,000 too many. Especially for a country the size of Ireland. Not to mention it is easy for them to move there from England.
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The irony of this is that the "man" who planned and orchestrated the October 7 atrocities was himself a prisoner in Israel. And was released in a prisoner swap 10 years ago.
End game for Gaza? Hamas dies. Their overseas supporters and financiers die. And Gaza is rebuilt with aid money that is NOT stolen by terrorists. The people are de-programmed from the brainwashing that UNRWA and Hamas have been doing to them for 15 years. Then Gaza can bloom. But first, the people must accept that they will live beside a Jewish state. If they cannot make that one concession, they are doomed to fail.
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Wick, it is a funny kind of hell hole, Gaza. A hell hole with KFC, 3 star hotels, nice beach, etc. An 'open air prison' that people visit for weddings and holidays with their families.
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Not anti immigrant, but anti illegal immigrant. There is a difference. It is ridiculous to have 'asylum seekers' from FRANCE in Ireland. They should claim that status in France, not go 'shopping' for a better deal. It makes their claims all the more dubious.
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Given the utter savagery of the Hamas terrorists, it is not surprise that they are not releasing any of their gang rape victims.
The Palestinians being released are by and large violent offenders. People who attacked Israeli soldiers, etc. Hardly a comparison to the innocent people kidnapped and brutalized by Hamas.
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I am absolutely astonished at the complete silence of western 'feminist' groups at the atrocities committed on Israeli women on October 7. The documented accounts of torture, assault, murder, humiliation, are incontravertable. Yet....nothing. These people have no idea what their lives would be like if they had to live under Hamas rule.
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Agree that 75 years of violence has been unnecessary. In 1948, the Arabs and Jews both put their cases before the UN. The UN decided a partition plan to make 2 states. The Jews agreed. The Arabs attacked. Five countries attacked Israel in an actual attempt at genocide. And they havent stopped since.
And Hamas is not a terrorist organization because the USA says so. It is a terrorist organization because it attacks civilians with rockets designed to maximize civilian casualties. Because it not only accepts the brutal mass rape of innocent women, it applauds it and shows it on social media. Because it condones the torture and murder of children. THAT is why Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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I wonder at the horrors that the women kidnapped by Hamas had to endure. So many of the deceased on October 7 showed signs of the most vicious and savage sexual assault imaginable. Truly Hamas are animals and deserve to be wiped out.
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Seems like a reasonable fellow. Wants his country to be free of foreign influence, cancel unfettered immigration, improve health care for the elderly. He is forced to live in daily fear of assassination due to the malign influence of radical Islam.
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Onlooker- there are exactly zero Israeli settlements in Gaza. The last Jew left Gaza in 2005. There is no serious plan to eliminate the Palestinians either, just hot air from some extremely unpopular politicians.
Stability and peace can start from the basis that the other side is human, and the other side at least has the right to exist. Hamas does not believe this. Nor, sadly, do a large plurality of Gazans. It is a sad irony of the October 7 slaughter that many of the Israelis who were butchered were in fact very pro-Palestinian. The reason they chose to live in kibbutzim close to the Gaza border was to foster peace and good relationships with the Gazan people. They arranged work visas, took Gazan children for hospital treatment,etc. And were repaid with atrocities that cannot be described in a forum like this.
There can be no lasting peace until this basic issue is resolved.
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Well, as time goes on the extent of the tunnel system under Gaza CIty is becoming more and more apparent. Videos recently released show this clearly. Even Haaretz news, no friend of Netanyahu, has extensive coverage. Tunnels at the Shifa Hospital that are 170 metres long, with A/C, drones, arms, bedrooms, comms gear, and even some property looted from a kibbutz on October 7. There is no longer any doubt that Hamas has been using civilian infrastructure as a cover for their crimes.
So, hopefully Israel can use the ceasefire time to uncover even more evidence (if it is needed) of how Hamas has been planning and waging a terror campaign against them. And getting ready to ensure it NEVER happens again.
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This shows that, according to Hamas, one Jew is worth three Palestinians. No wonder they value the lives of their civilian population so little.
Anyway, a good deal for Israel. Gives them time to regroup, rearm, and gather intelligence for the next big push. Plus time to explore the tunnels under Gaza City and remove any traps/bombs/weapons stored there.
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Israel has the luxury of time to get as many hostages free as possible. Fifty is a good start.
Once as many as possible are free, they can be debriefed and the IDF can learn more about how Hamas operates, their infrastructure, and so on. Then the final push to wipe Hamas out can recommence. I am sure the hostages will have some harrowing and horrible tales to tell of what they saw on October 7.
There is no turning back for Israel. Hamas will never again be allowed to be near the levers of power in Gaza. Its leaders, both in Gaza and in the outside world, will all soon be room temperature. And that is a good thing.
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Raw Beer; a month plus of "indiscrimintate bombing" would kill a hell of a lot more than 10,000 people, even IF we believe the inflated numbers coming from Hamas. The Israellis have 300 attack aircraft. They could utterly devastate all of Gaza in 48 hours if that was their goal. Obviously, it isn't.
The eagerness to portray the Jews as the bad ones merely confirms the pervasive influence of the classic Marxist narrative being pushed. The Gazans are the oppressed, the Israelis (even though there was not one Jew in Gaza) are somehow the oppressors. Therefore the Gazans (and by extention Hamas) are blameless for their crimes, while Israel is responsible for whatever happens.
The existence of Hamas tunnels has been known and confirmed for years. Otherwise, with the amount of aid poured into Gaza, the place would be flourishing. Yet somehow it isn't. The money and supplies were stolen and used to make rockets and terrorist infrastructure.
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Desert Tortise; so destroying the infrastructure that allowed the Axis powers to fight was effective- that is what I am getting from your posts. This is true. And it is why the Israelis are similarly trying to degrade the Hamas terror infrastructure rather than bombing indiscriminately.
Thank you for making that valuable point.
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We can add "open air prison" ot the list of words and phrases that are trite, inaccurate and needless. Gaza is a funny kind of prison- it has hotels, restaurants, beaches. It is also a funny kind of prison where people can come and go- why else are there hundreds of foreign nationals there waiting to get out? So let's please stop the meaningless descriptions.
And yes, many things were found in the hospital. Weapons, rockets, ammunition, tunnels. There is even video footage of October 7 hostages being brought in. Through the main lobby no less. So anyone who says that Hamas was not using the hospital is either deluded or lying.
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If Bibi is a war criminal, what do you call all the Hamas leaders cowering in their hotel suites in Qatar? Funny how your rage is very selective on that point...
As for a cease fire, I think it is a bad idea. Hamas needs to surrender. Simple. End of story. If Hamas surrenders, the war and bombing would stop immediately. Yet, they don't. So any destruction and death is on THEIR heads, not Israel.
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There is no war against "the Palestinian people". This is useless hyperbole. Israel has the power to do much more damage than they are doing. Yet they don't. Because obviously Hamas is the target. And innocent people are being put in danger by Hamas. Ditto trite phrases like "genocide" and "carpet bombing". Anyone who uses them is not capable of rational discussion.
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No wars? How about Biden wasting more than $1,000 per American family on the fiasco in Ukraine?
Now, about those economic numbers.....
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TBH people are looking back with fondness at the years of the Orange Cheetah:
$2.00 a gallon gas for your car
Five dollar foot long sandwiches at Subway
Record low illegal immigration
I mean yeah, the guy was an ogre in his personal life and probably hasn't read a book since he was in university, but he somehow got the job done.
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Paus, Israel was NOT encroaching on Gaza. Gaza is not colonized. In fact, the last Jew LEFT Gaza in 2005. In a hope to encourage peace. They left behind the means and tools to make the desert bloom, the makings of a good economy and chance for a better future.
The Gazans responded by choosing Hamas as their leaders and firing rockets into Israel.
And no matter where I stood, I would not be shooting at children, nor would I be raping innocent women and shooting them while I committed the act. That is what Hamas does, and brags about.
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