Founding father Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
I definitely agree with that.
Hang your heads in shame, America -- you are now officially "The Country That Cannot Get Things Done."
Never, no reason to. I keep mine high. Every country has their own rules. I love ours and others might like theirs and that’s all there is to it.
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Goin off the rails on a crazy train
Liberals fell off of it a pretty long time ago.
If the Democrats would quit focusing on NYC and LA, and consider the needs of the tens of millions of Americans living between those two cities this would be a non-issue.
They can’t and why would they? California is a Goldmine for illegals and easy for them to keep the borders open and to get them to vote, that’s why that State is a Sanctuary State, it’s the Democrats meal ticket.
We're talking about the E.C. from the past, when the popular vote and the E.C. matched up. But if we have another election, the 3rd out of the last 6, go the opposite way of the majority vote, then I think we'll see a push for a change.
It'll probably likely happen when Hillary is sworn into office.
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If Trump supported legal immigration he wouldn’t be trying to reduce it on many fronts. Plus, he’s a racist so he’s not the best person to be making these decisions.
He does support legal immigration. Which part is it that Liberals don’t understand, the LEGAL part? He never uttered “IL” before the “legal” but a full on racist hardly. Fallbrook, CA. has a pretty sizable White supremacist community, these people are racist to the bone. Trump doesn’t fit in any capacity whatsoever with these people, the man wouldn’t even pass the racial purity test, they would never accept ANYONE that associates themselves with Jews, Catholics, Blacks, Asians or Latinos. It’s ludicrous and funny. Liberals try and try to make Trump sound like a racist and if he didn’t have Jewish kids or allowed that nutjob Omarosa live in the White House, you could speculate, but the man showed his hand, so now the liberals are desperately trying other ways to try and make the man look racist while everything else failed.
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That's objectively unhealthy.
Not for me and millions of Americans. AOC and her income redistribution ideologues on the other hand are unhealthy, very unhealthily.
Oh, It is, given the fact that despite all the scheming the Democrats are so desperately trying, they will never get rid of the EC. But I understand and support their right to dream.
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So you take issue with where I draw the line in history to define immigrants, correct?
No, I don’t take issue, nor do I care want any individual thinks because if you are illegal and try to get into the US illegally, you will be apprehended and sent back in the majority of cases. Now whether a person wants to define what is and what was his irrelevant, then if they want to destroy the constitution and the very foundation of the founding fathers good luck with that. All of the other far left liberal anti-American rants really don’t mean a thing. I have nothing to apologize for, nothing to feel guilty about and nothing to atone for, I did not create this nation, I just happened to be born in it and if you are South African and white or if you are Canadian or if you are Australian or if you’re a New Zealander, it’s the same thing.
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Yes, and he wasnt refering to "immigrants." He was referring to illegal aliens (rightly or wrongly). You and nearly all the other liberal, leftists just cannot stop conflating the two, can you?
Well, there is definitely a clear distinction and it’s very simple if you are not an American citizen or illegal Canadian citizen or Australian citizen or New Zealand citizen under these Appropriate constitutions, then you are entering the country illegally, it’s a simple as that. It’s like saying 3 million white Afrikaners or not South Africans I don’t have the right to be there, that is a weak argument.
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US guys at the office say that the original purpose of the Electoral College was to prevent someone like Trump from being elected president. It obviously failed, so it might as well be abolished.
And some people look at it in the opposite way, some people think that it’s a godsend which helped Trump to get elected, you can look at it from that point of you as well.
a two-thirds majority in the House and Senate 2) three-quarters of the states to ratify the change within a seven-year window.
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I'm a little tired of the same swing states deciding the presidential election: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Iowa, Michigan, etc.
I am tired of California and New York with the largest amount of liberals getting all the votes as the two largest liberal states. All the more reason to uphold the electoral college.
The beauty of this new run-around is it doesn't take effect until a majority of states which control electors - 270 - is secured. This would ensure the victory of the popular vote winner while thwarting GOP trickery.
Trickery? Let’s talk about the Democrat deception and trickery and con games for a moment. A bit sneaky wanting to stack the courts with liberal justices, allowing illegals to vote, as well as convicts, wanting 16 year olds to vote, wanting to get rid of the EC. The funny thing is liberals can never get their policies through legislation, so they need the courts and now that the courts are swinging more conservative they need to do something Tom at the cat went under disastrous policies alone, they never could have it now as crazy as these Democrats are wanting socialism to override everything and be the rule of the land, they will stop at nothing The funny thing is liberals can never get their policies through legislation, so they need the courts now that the courts are swinging more conservative they need to do something, the cat went under disastrous policies alone call it they never could have it now as crazy as these Democrats are wanting socialism to override everything and be the rule of the land, they will stop at nothing to cheat their way one way or another to get back in power and the only way to do that is to change the system.
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I know you read the threads and post often at times,
Just like you....
No, because they're all immigrants.
There you have it. Liberals want the process to be selective. We are all immigrants, but if you’re born in Germany and have German citizenship, then you are German, if you’re born in Italy and I have Italian citizenship, the new were Italian, if you’re born in America and have American citizenship you are an American.
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Um, the president was the one who nominated Garland, not the one to change the rules.
And he has the right to change his mind and congress has the right to hold or deny hearings on that nominee and why would a President choose a nominee of his political rival that has a history of going against his political beliefs? If it were the opposite and a Republican President choose a conservative nominee for a liberal or socialist President, they would never say, we will proceed with the hearings. It just wouldn’t happen.
Once again, you show your inability to follow the thread of a conversation beyond a single post.
No, you just don’t like that, on this issue Democrats have absolutely No ground to stand on and to be honest, it really doesn’t need to be a lengthy diatribe. The EC won’t be changed and every President can decide which person they want or think represents their best political interests and Garland didn’t fit that mold.
As I said, it exposes your hypocrisy.
Yeah, when it falls to the side, the Washington Democrats would say that. Sticks and stones.
They should stack the supreme court with like an additional 9 democratic judges
Yeah, and Atlantis will surface from the deep.
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More hypocrisy - you guys change the rules when you refused to vet Merrik Garland.
Which the President had the absolute and constitutional right to do. Remember, that gem Harry Reid said, they wouldn’t hold hearings on any Bush nominee, messed up, but he had the right to say that.
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Let's all just forget that the Founding Fathers didn't stipulate that the winner of the popular vote for a State should get all its EC votes, or that the EC delegates had to vote along party lines. There's no need to abolish the Electoral College, it would work fine if the votes were allocated according to each candidate's share of the popular vote, as is actually the case in some States
Simon, it won’t change, no matter how many hairs you try and split it.
And don't let the pious statements of the Trumpers here fool you - as has been shown by their voter suppression efforts, outright fraud (in Georgia),
Sorry, if there WERE such a thing as voter suppression, Obama would never have made it to the Presidency....twice. If there were real voter suppression then the Democrats would have lost the midterms.
and other attempts to restrict the vote, Repubs care nothing about the Constitution - as they have told us time and time again, it's all about "winning"....
Ahhh, now I see why Democrats want 16 year olds to vote, convicted felons to vote, abolish the EC and appoint more SC justices. If you can’t win, change the rules.
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dont think its a call out thing more like a thin skinned manchild who cant handle any sort of criticism...but you know that already 100 points for standing up for your loved ones...
Well, that goes both ways for McCain’s and the media as well. Handle criticism, seems like they all can’t.
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And Democrats don’t support it because they can’t win it fair and square so they need to change the rules, either pack the Supreme Courts, change the EC or lower the age to 16 years. They can never win on their disastrous socialist policies, so the only other recourse would be to change the rules.
Trump himself, who won the election with fewer votes than Clinton, trash tweeted about the travesty which is electoral college after being misinformed that Romney won the popular vote in 2012.
Yes, and he also said, he now understands how important the EC is, we can all evolve and change our minds. Hillary used to be for border security and now wants open borders, we all can change.
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We got spanked a lot, all of us, yelled at, but we all understand how much our parents loved us. Made us all better and more successful people.
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The President seems calm, cool and collected, more confident wanting the report to come out. I’m just worried about my liberal friends how they’ll process it all. No collusion, and maybe possible finance charge on something that happened 16-30 years ago. The Dems will try to indict him and the GOP will have a great laugh and then we can all go on with our lives and in 2024, they’ll still be seething. Lol
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The Electoral College is established in the Constitution -- right there in Article II -- and that means that to abolish or alter it in any way requires 1) a two-thirds majority in the House and Senate 2) three-quarters of the states to ratify the change within a seven-year window.
Again, it will never happen.
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Yeah, it's not like it's already been changed 33 times or something.
Not the Electoral College though.
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Very simple, NY and LA can't have the power to decide for the rest of the country.
Well, that is correct. Without the EC the larger states or in this case in particular California would always vote Democrat, we would then have a one-sided authoritarian rule. So I’m glad and thankful we have the EC and that especially protects the flyover States.
On the fourth time it was Trump that won and they just can't swallow that.
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So the wacko Donnie continues to do a job on the Conway husband and also deceased McCaine. Such style of office.
This is indeed an awkward one, but good on the President to call out Conway like that. As for McCain, I totally understand the anger and frustration he has towards the man and what he tried to do to take him out. Trump should never allow any of these people to get away with this garbage, they hold his feet to his fire, so he should do the same.
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I support legal immigration.
I do as well.
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The founding fathers had the foresight to allow for the Constitution to be changed. Anyone saying it can't be changed has no respect for the founding fathers.
Yes, but it won’t be changed, not that it can’t be changed, we all know that it can be, but it won’t.
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It will never happen.
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Now another large State sees it differently.
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Agreed, Zichi. He's sick. His twitter meltdown this weekend indicates something is wrong with his mental health. For once, I genuinely feel sorry for the man.
Donnie Douschbag is peeved that a true American hero, John McCain banned his whiny butt from his funeral. He didn't put the WH flags at half-mast until he was egged to do so.
I don’t think he’s peeved at all, he just expressed his opinion as well as McCain did. They both don’t like each other, McCain started this ball rolling with that fake dossier on Trump, can’t say I blame him for being teed off, I would be as well. Trump had every right to excoriate him.
John McCain was a hero and Trumptraitor is a zero who doesn't know how to behave himself or interact with others. Note at the other events he wasn't invited to last year.
Funny, how liberals are praising him now that he’s dead and gone, back in 2008, almost every liberal hated this guys guts, called him every name in the book, now they worship him, please!
Spanky Don needs to go off in a corner and sulk. Nobody truly likes or needs this ill-mannered sociopathic brat, all he does is stink everything up. He's a juvenile sick party-pooper who shoots off his motormouth like the 5th grade dweeb that he is. Talking loud like a nimrod and saying nothing.
Well, thank God, Trump doesn’t care what the left says or thinks and especially when it comes to McCain, the man was a veteran, but as a politician, the guy was horrible.
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I would think it strange, if that person existed. But they don't. So.
He does. Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, preceded by Devin Nunes
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I would think you'd be happy knowing you live in a democratic republic where you can elect politicians who can vote to change or not change the Constitution.
Yes, but the loony ideas the liberals have like this will never come to fruition.
For example, if you don't want the 2nd Amendment changed, you can vote for a candidate who has the same view.
Outlawing the 2nd amendment would be like outright banning abortion across the board for whatever reason. Will never happen.
I'm confused. I thought Trump supporters are pushing for him to 'pack' the courts with those sharing his views.
Yes, but the dumb Warren move about appointing more liberal judges and increasing them to 12 is absolutely Hilariously! FDR tried......he tried....lol
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Seems like Trump's #1 goal is getting rid of the constitution.
No, the Democrats want to change it, allow 16 year old kids to vote, abolish the 2nd amendment, pack the courts and just more and more nutty stuff that will never, ever happen.
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Trump does not even know how to use a computer.
He doesn’t need to, but he sure knows how to use Twitter, so that’s a great sign.
Gets staffers to do everything for him. Still using printed copy.
And that’s part of their job, nothing wrong with it.
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This should be fun. Trump fans are going to attack liberal media companies without proof, just the sense that they are victims.
What are you talking about?? There’s an abundance of tangible proof, I know liberals don’t know it because they’re focused on......whatever....
Maybe they are victims? If so, they deserve it.
Yes and they deserve a now overwhelmingly conservative court as well.
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