The fact that Koreans only complain about the naval flag but not the national flag lacks logic as it was the national flag that could be more associated with the Japanese occupation and colonisation of Korea as this was the flag that was flying over many places in Korea during Japanese era. Koreans have nothing to do with the naval flag as they were not fighting against Japan. In fact, many Korean men volunteered for the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy.
If Japan had to change its flags due to its past, then many countries that had imperialistic history have to change their flags too. And don't forget that the Germans still use Iron Cross on their military aircrafts and tanks etc. and no other countries that were invaded by Nazi Germany complain about it as they clearly understand that Iron Cross was adopted way before Nazism and does not represent Nazi ideology, unlike the Nazi Swastika. The situation of the Rising Sun Flag is much closer to that of the Iron Cross than Nazi Swastika, but Koreans just ignore that fact that German military still uses Iron cross and no other countries complain, simply because it does not suit their anti-Japanese campaign.
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South Koreans will always try to find some opportunities to criticise Japan and they will never stop. Let's say if Japan decides to abolish the Rising Sun Flag, then next they will complain about the national flag saying that it reminds them of Japanese occupation etc., since it was also the national flag of the Empire of Japan.
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The fact that Koreans only complain about the naval flag but not the national flag lacks logic as it was the national flag that could be more associated with the Japanese occupation and colonisation of Korea as this was the flag that was flying over many places in Korea during Japanese era. Koreans have nothing to do with the naval flag as they were not fighting against Japan. In fact, as someone already said, many Korean men volunteered for the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy.
If Japan had to change its flags due to its past, then many countries that had imperialistic history have to change their flags. And don't forget that the Germans still use Iron Cross on their military aircrafts and tanks etc. and no other countries that were invaded by Nazi Germany complain about it as they clearly understand that Iron Cross was adopted way before nazism and does not represent Nazi ideology, unlike the Nazi Swastika.
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South Koreans will always try to find some excuses to criticise Japan and they will never stop. Let's say if Japan decides to abolish the Rising Sun Flag, then next they will complain about the national flag saying that it reminds them of Japanese occupation etc.
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You guys must be very naive if you really think that China is just seeking justice and everything will be solved once Japan apologize "appropriately". As already some people said, China is using this historic issue as a political tool to divert people's attention from internal problems (such as disparity between the rich and the poor, independence movements, pollution, corruption) as well as to cover its imperialistic expansionism in South and East China Sea .
Secondly many people blame Abe for the deterioration of Sino-Japanese relation. The relation deteriorated when ironically Japan was under the rule of pro-Chinese and anti-American Democratic Party. The Senkaku issues escalated then when China sent a fishing boat to intrude Japanese water and ram into a Japanese Coast Guard ship. So China had the opportunity to improve Sino-Japanese relationship when Japan was under the rule of Yukio Hatoyama and his successor Naoto Kan who were "the opposite" of Shinzo Abe, yet they used this opportunity to provoke Japan instead. You show kindness to China and they will take it as a weakness.
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You mean like you're doing here? Or like Japan over the abductions? Or is that suddenly relevant and something that needs to be addressed?
The abduction issue is an ongoing issue that is still happening right now. North Korea has not returned most of them yet.
To me it looks like the Koreans love to complain about Japan at the slightest opportunity. It is how they keep their identity. Let's not forget that Koreans were Japanese citizens back then and many Japanese citizens (including Japanese and Taiwanese) were drafted for forded labor at the end of the war. Not only Koreans as they love to portray. You don't see Taiwanese people still crying and complaining about it.
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Is there anything that Koreans don't whine about?
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Those who are blaming Abe for these despicable killings are the living proof for ISIS that their cruel tactics are effective to make the public feel hostile toward the government. You don't realize that you are just acting the way that those terrorists want you to act, and thus you are naively supporting them. One of their objectives is to instill fear into public's mind and make them put pressure on the government. Those two guys were already kidnapped before Abe publisized Japanese contribution against ISIS. Did ISIS try to release them? No? Would they ever have released them, even if Japan had not taken part in this fight against terrorism. Of course not. They would have killed them sooner or later. They were just looking for timing.
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Some people have a really simple brain that prevent them from rational-thinking. They cannot even distinguish between Kamikaze pilots who were in their 20's targeting military targets with Hitler or jihadists.
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Again and again. You cannot compare Kamikaze pilots who were trying to defend their own country targeting military ships with jihadists who are targeting innocent civilians.
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Would a memo written and signed by a Nazi pen-pusher, authorizing the death of camp prisoners, be registered in order to show the value of world peace?
You cannot compare Kamikaze pilots who were targeting military targets with Nazi officials who were responsible of massacring civil citizens based on their race religion etc.
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To me, the only explanation for Koreans' zealous lobby to change the name of the sea of Japan is their inferiority complex against Japan. You don't see British people crying over the name of Irish sea, or Americans complaining about the name of gulf of Mexico as both nations achieved many great things in their respective history, and people don't care about such little things. The sad thing is that those Koreans don't realize how ridiculous they look to the rest of the world.
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I recommend this video of an interview of a Korean professor explaining about the truth of the so-called comfort women / war prostitutes.
Sorry. The link above doesn't work. Try this one.
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I recommend this video of an interview of a Korean professor explaining about the truth of the so-called comfort women / war prostitutes.
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There is no evidence that those women were kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery by the imperial army. Even the US military reported that those women were paid prostitutes serving soldiers. Many of those Korean comfort women/ war prostitutes were hired by local (Korean) brokers or sold even by their own parents. And lets not forget that there were many Korean men who joined the imperial army voluntarily, which means that some of them probably used sexual services offered by those prostitutes. So Korean side is not innocent in this issue either.
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First of all, WWII has nothing to do with this issue which was created and escalated by China. Just because Japan invaded China 70 years ago does not give the comunist China the right to behave like a typical selfish bully in the school court yard intimidating its smaller neigbors.
Secondly, it is China that has to learn from the mitakes of WWII-Germany, not Japan. China is acting like Nazi-Germany by trying to steal lands from its neighbors just like Germany did before and during WWII.
And lastly, what do you mean by that Japan should return those islands to China? When you use the term "return", make sure that China had a direct administration over those islands in the light of international law. The fact that China claimed those islands for the first time in history in early 70's after the UN reoprt indicating the area to have a huge reserve of oil and gas proves that China did not consider those islands to be her territory. In fact even some state Chinese-media in the 50's published map of east asia showing that those islands were part of Japan.
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I always observe that whenever there is a news article about the territorial dispute between Japan and China, many Chinese nationals (probably some of them are paid by CCP) bring the invasion of Japan in China in the 30's and 40's as if this will give China the right to behave like a selfish bully in the region, or probably to distract other readers from the real problem.
What China is doing is very irresponsible to the security and the peace of the reagion. And please don't bring Ishihara to this topic. The whole problem was triggered by China when China officially claimed these islands in the early 70's for the first time in history when the UN reported that the area might contain a huge reserve of gas and oil. China never cared about these islands and never considred them as their own territories. The Chinese indeference to these islands before the discovey of the natural resources proves that. They didn't try to gain the control of them after Japanese loss in WWII which would be a great opportunity. When those islands was under US administration, China never critisized or complained, even when the the Americans were using those islands for military maneuvers.
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Koreans are the last people who can critisize Japan about war crimes considering the fact that many Koreans committed war crimes as Japanese soldiers in WWII. And lets not forget what Korean troops did to many innocent Vietnamese girls during Vietnam war.
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Does the word "shame" exist in the Korean language? They protested and lobbied against Tokyo 2020 sending tons of letters and e-mails to the IOC members and international media. The Korean government banned sea products from even some Japanese prefectures that don't face the sea and thus do not produce or export sea products just before the IOC meeting to give the impression that Japan is contaminated with radiation. But when the event was awarded to Tokyo they suddenly started to pretend as if they were supporting Tokyo 2020, and now are asking for cooperation (i.e. one-sided aid from Japan to Korea) because they are having troubles in their plan for 2018 games. I can't imagine how Korea is going to help Japan for 2020. Are they going to provide financial and technological help to Japan? Just like during WWII, this shows how quickly and easily they switch the side for their own interest without feeling any shame.
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What do you mean by "cooperate"? Does it mean that Japan is going to fund Korea to build the stadium and other olympic facilities just like in WC2002 where Korea did not show any fraction of appreciation and has not returned the money that they borrowed yet?
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What I've heard is that Korean military is more mature and work well with the Japanese counterparts. They both conducted many drills together along with the Americans in the past. The problem is that their immature and childish media and public opibion always critisize them hysterically when they see them trainng with JSDF.
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And let's not forget that the father of this lady was an official of the Japanese Imperial Army. To me it looks like this lady is desperately trying to get rid of the the image of her country as an accomplice of Japan by playing the victim card since her father volunteered for the Japanese military like many other Korean men during WWII.
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South Korea, why don't you face your own history before critisizing Japan? Don't you know you were accomplice to Japan during WWII, and conducted many war crimes? You cannot switch the side easily and pretend that you were victims!
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I think the prime minister made a wise desicision of not mentionting "remorse" or "regret" in his speech to prevent China and its tributary state, Kore,a from using the history issue as a political card. I hope that the future prime ministers do the same.
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Is there any day that Korea doesn't whine about Japan? It's getting rediculous. Now wonder that they can't re-unify their peninsula if they care about such a small thing rather than more important things.
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Again and again you Korean-sympethizers are so desperately trying to talk as if there was a war between Japan and Korea or as if Korea was fighting against Japan. I am going to repeat and emphasize here again that there was no war between Japan and Korea and thus there is no war-crime issue between the two nations. So stop including Korea among the countries that were fighting against the Japanese empire. When it comes to war crimes in WWII, Koreans are also one of those who committed them (in China and against POWs captured by Japanese military). So Korea is in no position to talk about war crimes of WII. They are one of those who need to apologize. And if you say that the reason of Philippines, Vietnam etc. for being less anti-Japanese than Koreans is due to the short periof of time of Japanese occupation, then how do you explain that Taiwan which experienced a longer period of Japanese occupation than Korea does not hold such grudge? How do you explain that those south-east asian countries that were european colonies for a few centuries do not hate their former colonial power even without receiving any kind of apology or compensation? It's all because of anti-Japanese education or brainwash that Koreans receive from early ages. Korean government needs japan as a skapegoat to distract the attention of the people from their internal problems.
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I agree with Chamkun. I would like to add my point.
One of the biggest mistake that japan did to South Korea, escalating them to demand more and more and thus hindering a good relation between the two nations is that Japan took a soft stance against Korea. When Japan normalized with korea, it paid tremedous amount of money, and left her own assests to Korea, thinking that the relation between the two nations will improve. However, Korean government hided this fact from their citizens and acted as if Japan paid nothing. Same thing happended recently. When Japanese media started reporting about the existence of comfort women whose majority where Japanese, Korean media also started echoing this report. Then suddenly many women in Korea started claiming that they were comfort women. Then Japanese government apologized to the former comfor women in the famous Kono satement of 1993, and founded the Asian Women Fund to compensate these comfort women. However, things got worse and worse. The tertm "Comfort Women" changed to "Sex Slaves" somehow, and their desription from "paid prostitutes working in brothels adjacent to military facilities" changed to "Women who were kidnapped by the Japanese military to be raped".
The Korean reaction to the Japanese apology and compensation reminds me of a begger who was begging me in a convenience store. One day when I was in a convenience store, a beggar who saw me receiving many changes, approached to me and ask for a coin. I gave him one coin, which encaouraged him to beg more. So I gave him a few coins thinking that he will get satisfied and leave me soon. However things got escalated, and he started demanding bill notes. he even followed me. I ignored him and ran away.
My point is that Japan should never apologize and pay compensation any more, if she wants to improve the relation with Korea. Japan should learn from China in that sense. There is no country other than China which inflicted damage to Korean peninsula the most. Korea was China's tributary state for more that 1000 years, and invaded Korea many times. The Chinese are also the main cause of the division of Korean penisula. However, Koreans never demand apology and compensation from China, because they know that China will not treat them seriously.
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Ok, let's go back to the topic as suggested by the moderator.Koreans just started negative campaign against the rising flag recently, especially after London Olympics when a Korean soccer player was about to lose medal for showing a political message saying "Dokdo is Korean territory" after victory against Japan. Then the Korean olympic committee pointed out that the design of the Japanese gymnastic uniform was based on the rising sun flag which is offensive accoriding to them. They used this tactic to distract the attention of IOC from the incidence. Since then, Koreans start sending spam e-mails to many companies and organizations in the world who were using the design of the rising sun flag in their products. Their negative campaign was encouraged by their media and accelerated to the extent that they started accusing every advertisement or design that includes radial rays or anything similar even if they did not look like the rising sun flag. Before the London Olympic, Koreans had no problem with this flag. The Japanese soccer and baseball fans always used this flag in international competition even in Korea to cheer their teams. Koreans didn't have any problem with that. Korean navy conducted many military training with the Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force which uses this flag on their ships. Koreans did not have problem with that. To me it looks like Koreans just came up with a stupid excuse to bash Japan and to satisfy their inferirity complex against Japan, just like the stupid argument of the name of "Sea of Japan / East Sea". The best thing that we can do is to ignore them and not create a precedence by succumbing to their requests. Otherwise, they will start to complain about the national flag of Japan by saying, for example, "Japanese flag is the symbol of imperialism and colonialism, and hence should be banned just like Nazi Swastika blah, blah", or anything that symbolizes Japan. Koreans should realize that they look very immature and insecure bunch to outsiders by trying to find whatever they can come up with to critisize Japan, and should better start using their percistence behavior to improve their economy, politics and promotes the unification process.
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Then how do you explain that there were many Koreans who volunteered in the Japanese army during the early years of Sino-Japanese war and Pacific war when joining military was not forced yet.
Even if Koreans were forced to join the japanese military, does this give them the right to kill innocent Chinese civilians and torture POWs?
The reason why Koreans hate Japan is the fruit of anti-Japanese education conducted by the Korean government to unite people and distract their attention from the internal problems. This anti-Japanese feeling is also being stirred and used by the polititians to gain votes and distract people's attention from corruption in their politics.
Another reason why Koreans hate Japan so much is because of their insecurity and inferiority complex against Japan.
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It looks like you have difficulty in understanding my argument. I am not saying that Japan did not committed war crimes in China. I am pointing out the role of Koreans in the WWII as the collaborator of the Japanese empire, and the irony that koreans are barking the loudest against the rising sun flag of Japan as if they suffered from the Japanese military when in reality they were invading China along with their Japanese masters and committing war crimes there.
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