Japan gave them $1bn this September, now it's $2bn.
To pipe public money to private companies cannot be good.
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Compare that with America, the UK, Australia, and other systems where if you are held for months in pre-trial detention and then found not guilty
I would prefer America, UK or Australia.
I would have family, lawyer, cellmates, humanity and protection all around me.
Ghosn was lucky, some people spend up to 4 years in detention in Japan. And then, when you're broken you'll have to handle a trial for years with only a 0.01% chance of winning.
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@Kazuaki Shimazaki Today 05:26 pm JST
The Japanese system is based on confessions, as 93% of trials are build over a confession.
That's very archaic. Medieval, if I might say.
Confessions are not used as evidence in any modern justice system.
Here is the main/golden evidence the Japanese trials.
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@M3M3M3Today 08:56 am JST
Just replaced the word arbitrary for the word torture, and sounds awful.
Holding a suspect without charge for the maximum legally allowed period is not torture when there are legitimate grounds to do so. Arresting a suspect multiple times when new crimes are uncovered or confirmed is not torture. Waiting until the last possible moment to confirm that it's appropriate to proceed with charges in all 4 arrests is not torture. Housing an extremely high-profile detainee in his own cell (solitary confinement) is not torture. Questioning a detainee for long periods in order to unravel a complex fraud case is not torture. Maintaining a constant low level light to prevent suicide attempts in a society where this is common is not torture.
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What I hate the most is Hari Nada smiling for the picture.
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They got $1bn of free cash just this September, and that's what they have done with it.
Don't rise your hopes.
Nissan received Japan government's largest ever loan guarantee
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It's the norm in Japan and all European countries which operate under the civil law system. You don't need to see the documents
It is absolutely NOT the norm, you gotta share all your evidence since day one. No disclosing of strong evidence for the arrest attempts against the Habeas Corpus.
The Japanese government cannot simply disclose records and personal data to a foreign government
Yes, YOU CAN. That's the reason you got embassy and legal representation in other countries, to solve the paperwork and exchange of information.
How long does the average complex international corporate fraud case take to investigate
Whatever it takes to investigate is irrelevant. You don't make any arrest until investigation has finished and all evidence gathered.
If you think these people should be prosecuted...
We all know, it's evident from the hearings on Kelly's case that Ohnuma and Saikawa are the perpetrators. Why aren't they convicted?
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strong presumption that detention was not arbitrary
Sure! Explain it to Hari Nada, Hiroto Saikawa, Toshiaki Ohnuma, and all the rest of "innocent" people in Nissan.
Supreme Court appeal, were dismissed without reasons being given
All documentation is denied until trial date is decided.
Carlos was gone before he ever got a trial date or access to any evidence/documents.
Lebanon demanded evidence to justify the deportation of Ghosn, but none was given yet.
The long detention, solitary confinement, hours of interrogation, wife banned from visits, etc... looks pretty harsh, it alone to sustain the torture allegations.
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The five-member working group, which is made up of independent experts, called on Japan to ensure a “full and independent investigation” of Ghosn’s detention
An independent investigation instead of just denying the wrongdoings would give peace of mind to people that is loosing hope on the Japanese Justice System.
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Why are we deauthorizing the U.N. instead of evaluating the reported conclusions?
Can we STAY ON TOPIC, please?
Reminder: the subject is the Wrongdoing in Ghosn Detention.
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@ Kazuaki ShimazakiToday 01:45 pm JST
Russia, check Article 187 of their Criminal Procedure Code
Russia's "actual practices or standards" include sleep depravation, dictated confessions, beatings and electric shocks. Do you really want to be compared with them?!
Principles of German Criminal Procedure by Michael Bohlander
That's was valid on 1913, now is long gone. The regime that is followed since 2015 is “United Nations Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners” - The Nelson Mandela Rules
instead of charging you for X offences, you get charged once with aggravation for all the times you did it.
There! You're answering yourself.
Police wont make X arrests, they'll charge the subject for X crimes in 1 trial.
"He's treating humans like trash too, so we should be able to as well"
You are supposed to be better than the criminals. Abuse and torture should be avoided.
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Would you mind to shorten your comments? ...there's too much info condensed, lots of it I have to ignore for ease-of-reading reasons.
130 days in solitary confinement with no bail is cruel.
I honestly CANNOT FIND your sources. Can't comment on that.
If you commit multiple crimes. Why would you get arrested multiple times?!
The bail becomes an humanitarian priority after 130 days of torture.
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We need a couple marines to liberate this oppressed kid.
Hope that professionals could be protected by the free world nations, and fix this abuses.
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well, we're still waiting for accurate cancer cases numbers from 2011 radioactive accident ...
Will we ever see the real numbers of Fukushima and COVID19 ?
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Neither America or Japan have any moral authority to lead any climate change movement.
Talk about climate change denieing and dump tons of radioactive water to the ocean.
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The covid death rate in Tokyo has not changed for months, with about one death daily.
What makes you think that we are getting the correct covid death rates information?
Do you trust your sources?
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Still unrealistic numbers, they must be a 1,000 order of magnitude bigger to be at least credible.
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Panel of health experts will be fired in 3, 2, 1...
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Looks like they're doing some research about COVID19 with that machine.
As they fired the COVID19 experts team for contradicting the government, i wonder if they'll shut down the supercomputer if the results contradict the government.
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Yes! Money, money! Money, money!
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Sadly to go to prison or not is entirely to the prosecutors to decide.
Evidence and facts have no height at all.
And the presumption of innocence have no place in this country.
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Go deeper, deeper!!
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That closes the circle.
It's been too much bribes that it cannot be stopped.
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A great many major countries have reciprocal agreements with Courts in Japan in terms of enforcement of judgements.
You gotta be kidding me.
Still remember that all justice representatives where laughing at the Japanese justice Minister a couple years ago because he won't admit how demigrant and retarded is the Japanese justice.
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No matter what happens in the trial.
Ghosn will be declared guilty.
Prosecutors are the decision takers, evidence is irrelevant.
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How can Ghosn prove that they are not without presence or representation in court?
Presumption of innocence!
Its a basic human right, no matter what the Japanese Minister of Justice says.
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Takata, Olimpus, Sonny, Fukushima,... nobody was ever prosecuted for any of them.
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I've been watching Gohara, the lawyer, youtube videos.
Looks like Nissan is making up lots of fake claims because Nissan doesn't want to pay the "future compensations" of Ghosn.
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How is still due to debate?!
Do I have to state the obvious?
Nissan + Ghosn = Money
Nissan + Uchida = Bankruptcy
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