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Posted in: Donald Trump Jr testifies about 'sexiness' of father's real estate See in context

Donald Trump Jr testified on Monday about what he called the "sexiness" of his father's real estate portfolio, in his second time taking the stand in the former U.S. president's civil fraud trial.

Perv...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

"He was really a visionary," he testified.

Sure, he "envisions" the Colorado River on our southern border too...

"Let him go ahead and talk about how great the Trump Organization is," said Engoron, who has defended himself during the trial from allegations of bias from Trump and his lawyers.

Smart - just like his moron father, he'll incriminate himself the more he talks...

During defiant and rambling testimony last week, Trump acknowledged inaccuracies on his financial statements but said the discrepancies were not relevant to the banks that used them to price his loans.

He admitted under oath "undervaluing" his properties but certifying by signing the financial statement that they were accurate. Clear fraud...in Black Sharpie...

Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka Trump said they were not involved in preparing their father's financial statements and left bookkeeping at the Trump Organization to accountants.

But Don Jr and Eric also signed the official financial documents certifying that they were accurate...

He is a defendant in four criminal trials, including two stemming from his attempts to overturn his 2020 election loss. He has pleaded not guilty in all four cases.

And he'll be in a cell ranting and raving at the walls on Nov 6 2024...

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Posted in: Trump's plans if he returns to the White House include deportation raids, tariffs and mass firings See in context

Trump, doing the only thing he is any good at - comedy;

Donald Trump performed a Monty Python-esque impression of Ron DeSantis at a rally on Saturday night as he mocked his Republican rival for wearing lifts in his cowboy boots.

Mr Trump told the crowd at Claremont, New Hampshire, that he thought Mr DeSantis was “wearing ice skates” at the third Republican primary debate on Wednesday night.

“Actually the greatest moment of the debate was when Ron was walking – or Ron DeSanctimonious was walking – off the stage and his feet,” Mr Trump said, making a downwards diagonal motion with his right arm.

“Because his cowboy boots, they have a high heel but on the inside you’ve got a big deal going on.”

Mr Trump then left the podium flailing his arms up and down in a manner reminiscent of Monty Python’s Ministry of Silly Walks.

“He’s walking off stage like he’s trying to balance himself,” he said. “I thought he was wearing ice skates."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-donald-trump-channels-monty-142250397.html

Pretty clear Trump doesn't think Ron is a "rock-star".

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Posted in: Trump's plans if he returns to the White House include deportation raids, tariffs and mass firings See in context

The gaffes and goofs just seem to be getting worse, proof that he is in the far stages of dementia.

Former US President Donald Trump mistakenly told supporters that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán had recently called on Barack Obama to step down as president of the US.

The gaffe occurred during Trump's speech at a campaign event in Claremont, New Hampshire, on Saturday, as he seeks the Republican nomination ahead of the 2024 presidential election.

In an October 2023 interview, he alleged that Orbán was asked what he would "advise President Obama," adding that the Hungarian leader wants Obama to "immediately resign." 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-makes-gaffe-rivals-172409141.html

This is the fourth or fifth time he has said that either Obama was still President or that he ran and defeated Obama in 2016.

And he thinks you need an ID buy bread.

Hopefully there's a "senile ward" at Leavenworth.

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Posted in: Trump's plans if he returns to the White House include deportation raids, tariffs and mass firings See in context

The MAGA-supporters here ought to just drop the "we support democracy" pretense - and be open and honest about their preference for despotism, autocracy, and fascism.

All of the thuggish and anti-democratic items listed above are things you'd see in Russia, China, Iran, and even North Korea. It's not surprising that Trump has called some of these dictators "geniuses" and exchanges "love letters" with them.

Russia wants the US out of NATO and no longer leader of the free world, China wants the US out of the Pacific and a third-world economy, Iran and North Korea both want to destroy the US.

MAGA-world is the method by which those despots can accomplish these goals.

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Posted in: Trump's plans if he returns to the White House include deportation raids, tariffs and mass firings See in context

He has to win the election first and deal with four criminal cases.

Given the latest polls, looks like it, but we shall see.

All the polls from the MSM; CBS, CNN, Bloomberg. Then says;

I think you need to take a break from the MSM sites.

Seems pretty confused.

While its prudent to worry about a potential second Trump term and the chaos, hate, and damage to our democracy it would bring, the chances of that are small, and growing smaller by the day.

The stolen classified case already has conservative icons like Jonathan Turley and Bill Barr saying "it's damning" and "he's toast".

And the sedition and interfering in an election case has a new Trump crony flipping each day, ready to confirm he knew he lost the election so came up with and approved a coup plan that its author admitted "violated federal law".

He's set to lose his NY businesses and be forced out of state.

By the time Nov 2024 rolls around, he'll already be ensconced in a cell - where he can rant and rave at the walls all he wants.

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

*So Kevin McCarthy had to go beg and grovel to Nancy, Hakeem, Schiff, and Swawell to get Dem votes to pass HIS REPUB spending bill...**

Oh, well.

So you think all is "well" with Kevin begging the Libs for support - some flip from your previous "never give-in" posts...

He throws the MAGA Freedom Caucus nuts under the bus, pulls all the spending cuts out of the bill, and sends it to the Senate....

There will be other battles

There sure will, just wait until Gaetz files the motion to vacate....who's side will you be on?

For colluding with the hated Libs and smacking down the MAGA Freedom Caucus, Bass says that McCarthy has his "applause and respect"....

He absolutely does. Effort goes a long way.

Good for you - glad to see you support him colluding with those "Tony Montana coke addict" spending Libs...

That pretty much tells you all you need to know about how crazy, hypocritical, and contradictory MAGA-world is...

Yes, consistency counts.

Indeed, consistent flipping...

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

Can Dems and Libs here speak for Jamaal Bowman pulling the fire alarm just before voting? What is your excuse for him?

Again, the same question? Just scroll up. We gave you an answer the other day, but if you don’t like it, send him a text message, I’m sure he'll reply back.

Before you criticize this reply I indeed recommend you scroll up...

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

On the brink of a federal government shutdown, the House on Saturday swiftly approved a 45-day funding bill to keep federal agencies open as Speaker Kevin McCarthy dropped demands for steep spending cuts and relied on Democratic votes for passage to send the package to the Senate.

So Kevin McCarthy had to go beg and grovel to Nancy, Hakeem, Schiff, and Swawell to get Dem votes to pass HIS REPUB spending bill...

He throws the MAGA Freedom Caucus nuts under the bus, pulls all the spending cuts out of the bill, and sends it to the Senate....

For colluding with the hated Libs and smacking down the MAGA Freedom Caucus, Bass says that McCarthy has his "applause and respect"....

That pretty much tells you all you need to know about how crazy, hypocritical, and contradictory MAGA-world is...

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

Definitely - in a totally embarrassing way...

To whom?

You - the person that posted it...

Even a six year old can see through that weak surrender...

Then don’t do it.

What? The surrender hole just keeps getting deeper....

Can't defend your team?

I don’t have to, they’re adults.

Who are the adults - Gaetz who called McCarthy a "lying dog", or McCarthy who threw the Freedom Caucus under the bus and sided with Nancy?

*Yep, your team, both the Freedom Caucus and the RINOs, each voted WITH THE LIBS....*

Ok, and?

You hate the Libs - say they're spending like a "Tony Montana coke addict" - yet your MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus voted with and supported these Libs...and your "respected" Speaker McCarthy colluded with them to pass this bill. Happy your team has to rely on the Libs to do anything?

How is cooperating with Hakeem Jeffries and selling out the Freedom Caucus "standing his ground?"

That he even attempted the move is rounds for applause, got my respect.

He gets your applause and respect for colluding with the Libs? OK...

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

I think that comment speaks for itself....ROFL...

It sure does.

Definitely - in a totally embarrassing way...

Another "scroll up" surrender...

No, no red to be repetitive, we’re not 6 years old.

Even a six year old can see through that weak surrender...

So why did your team vote with them?

I’m not in Congress, you ask them, call them.

Can't defend your team?

Who your team sided and voted with...

Democrats…lol

Yep, your team, both the Freedom Caucus and the RINOs, each voted WITH THE LIBS....

Really? Who is the Speaker? The article clearly says McCarthy "relied on Democrats"....or maybe you believe McCarthy caved to the Socialists...

No, I’m glad he stood his ground, even if he lost the fight, more battles to come. Kudos to him for trying

How is cooperating with Hakeem Jeffries and selling out the Freedom Caucus "standing his ground?"

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), placed the blame for the looming shutdown directly on Rep. 

Another swamp establishment creature, not surprised.

Agree, another loser Repub....

Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), one of the most prominent opponents to the stopgap who has also been threatening to vote to remove McCarthy. “Unfortunately, a handful of people, and in particular a party of one — Matt Gaetz — have chosen to put his own agenda, his own personal agenda, above all else,” Lawler said.  **“He’s not a conservative Republican. He’s a charlatan.** 

Says the man that gave up his conservative principles being in a dark blue state in order to save his neck. Again, not surprised, not even a little.

Agree - a weak, pathetic Repub...

And as far as I’m concerned, when you’re working with Democrats to try to vacate the speaker, you’re a joke. This needs to come to an end.”

I’m sure Lawler will not have a whole lot of friends when he goes to Washington, but the Dems have two slots vacated recently so there’s an opportunity right there, hey, now there’s a thought.

Yep, glad to see you disagree with him that working with the Libs is wrong - and agree with the Freedom Caucus that votes with Team Nancy...

No diss for Repubs Van Orden or James?

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

No need to be sad - give a cheer to the Libs - they saved both factions of your Repub party...

And Biden defeated Putin, we know.

I think that comment speaks for itself....ROFL...

No? Then why did MTG, Gaetz, and Boebert decide to vote with Team Nancy to defeat your own Repub-sponsored bills?

Why did Kevin decide to collude and vote with Hakeem Jeffries instead of the his own Freedom Caucus?

Again, the same question? I gave you an answer the other day, but if you don’t like them, send them a text message, I’m sure they will reply back.

Another "scroll up" surrender...

You mean the out of control spending Liberals that your team just sided and voted with - three times?

Oh, no, the Dems have years of that under their belt, so but now Joe has ratcheted it up

So why did your team vote with them?

That is sad for you, hilarious for everyone else...

No, sad for the people that earn an honest living, funny for the moochers that like spooning off others like leeches, and so the middle class exodus out of mismanaged states continue.

Who your team sided and voted with...

Democrats to the rescue.

Now, now, I wouldn’t call a socialist putting a gun in my mouth as a rescue.

Really? Who is the Speaker? The article clearly says McCarthy "relied on Democrats"....or maybe you believe McCarthy caved to the Socialists...

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

Even though the Dems and Libs have pulled My Kevin's chestnuts out of the fire. there is still open warfare within the Repub party...

“There are 21 Republicans who just voted to defund the United States military and keep the border open,” said Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.). “They need to be called out by name.

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), placed the blame for the looming shutdown directly on Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), one of the most prominent opponents to the stopgap who has also been threatening to vote to remove McCarthy. “Unfortunately, a handful of people, and in particular a party of one — Matt Gaetz — have chosen to put his own agenda, his own personal agenda, above all else,” Lawler said. “He’s not a conservative Republican. He’s a charlatan. And as far as I’m concerned, when you’re working with Democrats to try to vacate the speaker, you’re a joke. This needs to come to an end.”

“EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT just joined Matt Gaetz and MTG for open borders and a closed government,” Rep. John James (R-Mich.) posted on X. “Democrats and the Clown Caucus care more about their fundraising goals than America’s wellbeing.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-blames-looming-shutdown-21-200721382.html

Repubs saying their fellow Repubs are for open borders...calling each other "charlatans"....saying they're a "Clown Caucus"....

How's that for cohesion and solidarity....no wonder they're voting with the "Libs"....

Next up - Gaetz files motion to vacate McCarthy and the inter-Repub war goes nuclear....

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

So for at least the third time during this charade, Repubs have voted with the "Libs" to get their way...

First we had the Freedom Caucus MAGA warriors toss their lot with Nancy, Schiff, Nadler, and Swalwell to sink McCarthy's two defense bill attempts...

Now we have "My Kevin" shunning his Kook Caucus and "conspiring with the enemy" to pass this bill...

So the Libs have bailed out both Gaetz and McCarthy...

Sadly

No need to be sad - give a cheer to the Libs - they saved both factions of your Repub party...

Just shows that each of these factions of the Repub party trust the Libs more than they do each other...

No,

No? Then why did MTG, Gaetz, and Boebert decide to vote with Team Nancy to defeat your own Repub-sponsored bills? Why did Kevin decide to collude and vote with Hakeem Jeffries instead of the his own Freedom Caucus?

I guess you could call that "Lib winning"....

ROFL..

Nothing funny about any of this, not when it comes to the frivolous out of control spending liberals think is just so natural to spend other people’s money and printing more of it.

You mean the out of control spending Liberals that your team just sided and voted with - three times?

That is sad for you, hilarious for everyone else...

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Posted in: Putin marks anniversary of annexation of Ukrainian regions as drones attack overnight See in context

Celebrate? What, the fact that his hand-picked private warlord launched a military coup, killed Russian troops, shot down Russian planes, and occupied a Russian city?

Maybe celebrate his proud flagship Moskva resides at the bottom of the Black Sea or his new submarine Rostov-on-Don has a huge hole in its side?

Or maybe celebrate Finland and Sweden, and their first-rate, modern militaries, are now joining NATO?

Sure, Vlad has a lot to celebrate.

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Posted in: On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate See in context

So for at least the third time during this charade, Repubs have voted with the "Libs" to get their way...

First we had the Freedom Caucus MAGA warriors toss their lot with Nancy, Schiff, Nadler, and Swalwell to sink McCarthy's two defense bill attempts...

Now we have "My Kevin" shunning his Kook Caucus and "conspiring with the enemy" to pass this bill...

So the Libs have bailed out both Gaetz and McCarthy...

Just shows that each of these factions of the Repub party trust the Libs more than they do each other...

I guess you could call that "Lib winning"....

ROFL..

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Posted in: McCarthy's last-ditch plan to keep U.S. government open collapses, making a shutdown almost certain See in context

our MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus have thrown-in with the "Libs" against their own party.

MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar all sided and voted with Nancy and Schiff rather than your own Repubs...they stood with the Libs in shooting down a Repub bill.

Why did they turn on their own party and clasp hands with the Libs? 

Scroll up, I belabored the reason

Where? Which post? Be specific pls.

They are voting with the Libs helping make your fellow Repubs look weak and defeated - and McCarthy impotent. Why?

I think you’re overdoing and embellishing the issue a tad, not like that, but I get why they are doing it even if I don’t agree with it.

Really? What do you call your heroes voting with your hated Libs against your own party? And if you "get it", then explain it to the rest of us.

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Posted in: McCarthy's last-ditch plan to keep U.S. government open collapses, making a shutdown almost certain See in context

It seems that our Freedom Caucus friends not only vote with the Libs, they collude and conspire with them against their own party as well.

*With the clock ticking down toward a government shutdown, Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz approached a Democratic lawmaker on the House floor this week with a surprising pitch.*

Gaetz, who has been threatening Speaker Kevin Mcarthy’s speakership almost daily, explained that his rebellion is motivated by a desire to find new leadership that keeps their word, tells the truth, and adheres to regular order – a message that this Democrat described to CNN as “utterly reasonable.”

*Gaetz then floated veteran Republican Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma and House GOP Whip Tom Emmer of Minnesota as two alternative examples he had in mind, and *then attempted to gauge whether this member would be open to supporting an effort to oust McCarthy. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaetz-war-against-mccarthy-could-215700209.html

I wonder what our MAGA-posters here think of that - inviting and teaming with the Libs to kick out their own Repub Speaker.

Isn't that called "conspiring with the enemy"?

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Posted in: McCarthy's last-ditch plan to keep U.S. government open collapses, making a shutdown almost certain See in context

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

No matter how many times you asked me that question, I already gave you an answer to that.

Oh come on - that poor excuse died days ago.

Your MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus have thrown-in with the "Libs" against their own party.

MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar all sided and voted with Nancy and Schiff rather than your own Repubs...they stood with the Libs in shooting down a Repub bill.

Why did they turn on their own party and clasp hands with the Libs?

They are voting with the Libs helping make your fellow Repubs look weak and defeated - and McCarthy impotent. Why?

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Posted in: Trump surrenders at Atlanta jail on charges he tried to overturn his 2020 election loss See in context

I actually think he'll spend time at all three; Leavenworth, Rikers Island, and the Georgia State Pen.

Yes,

Hey, thanks for agreeing with me!

As a prisoner, you don’t have a choice in the food you’re served. 

Trump doesn't have to worry about that,

Sure he does.

Melania won't recognize him when he comes out - if she's still around.

She won't have to since he won't be going.

She's already left him and is living separately in NYC.

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Posted in: Trump surrenders at Atlanta jail on charges he tried to overturn his 2020 election loss See in context

I have a feeling that is the same look Trump gave E. Jean Carroll before he raped her.

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Posted in: Trump surrenders at Atlanta jail on charges he tried to overturn his 2020 election loss See in context

No wonder Trump is frowning...

His CoS Mark Meadows who was in the room when all the crimes were being planned has flipped and given all his texts and emails as evidence to Jack Smith.

https://news.yahoo.com/sung-canary-ex-gop-lawmaker-084511637.html

David Shafer, former chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and one of the 19 defendants in the Georgia election interference case, claimed in a court filing that he and the other Republican electors who tried to falsely certify Donald Trump as the winner in Georgia were acting at the former president's direction.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/22/georgia-fake-elector-trump

Trump's MAL IT head and a witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president in destroying evidence and obstructing justice.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-maralago-justice-department-classified-documents-f3f498ed952e50a33c7c68e2fb1936e9

Trump former attorney Kenneth Chesebro filed a demand for a speedy trial in the case in Atlanta. He is charged with seven felony counts: violation of the Georgia Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act; conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer; two counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree; two counts of conspiracy to commit false statements and writings; and conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/24/first-trial-of-trump-co-defendant-in-georgia-case-will-begin-oct-23-judge-rules.html

Speedy trial as in "I'm ready to cooperate".....which we will see again and again over the next several weeks.

The MAGA rats are all turning on one another - which will ensure all of them get a free vacation at Club Fed.

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Posted in: Russia issues arrest warrant for Lindsey Graham over Ukraine comments See in context

Well he is an "idiot" according to our MAGA-posters yesterday.

But they still "like" him, proving that idiots are popular in MAGA-world.

For some people, that is not a revelation.

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Posted in: Florida Gov DeSantis praises Japan's defense build-up See in context

DeSanctimonious seems awful happy in that photo - interesting given what one Florida resident has said;

“Under Ron DeSantis, Florida has become among the worst states… to live… find economic opportunity… work… retire… raise a family… pay taxes…be safe… rent a home… have a baby… afford energy… die… be a teacher… be a doctor… be a police officer,” Trump’s campaign email states.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/21/donald-trump-says-ron-desantis-created-misery-and-despair-in-florida/70139811007/

"Among the worst states" - this Florida resident doesn't think DeSantis is much of a "rockstar", does he?

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

Interesting what Tucker's fellow Fox employees are saying about his firing;

“Pure joy,” one Fox reporter told Rolling Stone of their reaction to the split. “No one is untouchable. It’s a great day for America"

“It was a good move to part ways with Tucker,” added a producer. “He knowingly spread lies throughout his time at Fox"

“Good riddance,” said a network correspondent."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-no-longer-fox-154155412.html

Looks like its just not "Libs" that are glad he's been banished.

ROFL.

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

The frantic and repetitive responses tell me that what Tucker was saying must have been right on target and quite problematic to the narrative.

That sounds like an exact quote from Fox's lawyers - when they decided to fold and offer to pay three-fourths of a BILLION dollars to settle.

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

Tucker signed off his last show on Friday with; “That’s it for us for the week, we’ll be back.... We’ll be back on Monday — in the meantime have the best weekend with the ones you love. See you then!”

How fitting that he ends his last show with one more lie to his audience.

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

I don't think this firing signals any major shift in Fox's business model - i.e., going after the low-IQ MAGA voter.

I do think the purge will continue - and would bet Maria Bartiromo is next to get shown the door, with more to follow - likely Jeanne Pirro.

Rupert likes money - and the three-fourths of a billion dollar judgment really hurt - he is not going to risk losing any more in the additional trials upcoming.

Hannity, Ingraham, et al have to be wetting their pants.

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

Someone above mentioned Comrade Carlson could now go work for the Russians - which I think was satire.

Looks more like an accurate prediction; "Tucker Carlson received an offer from Russian state media after Fox News announced it would part ways with the longtime host on Monday.

"Hey @TuckerCarlson, you can always question more with @RT_com," RT tweeted.

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-gets-offer-russia-state-media-1796379

Given his admiration for Putin, I'd bet he'll take it.

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Posted in: Fox News ousts popular host Tucker Carlson See in context

For example, that he hates Trump passionately.

The average voter doesn’t care, they’re not voting for a President based on what the pundit thinks. He hates Trump or loves Trump, good for him, at least he’s not a bot.

I think you meant "The average MAGA voter doesn't care". Normal people take offense to getting lied to and played for fools.

It's clear from their defense of Fox and their anchors who openly lied to them, that MAGA viewers don't want the truth - they want the lies.

They want their alt-reality world re-affirmed for them - even if it is all fiction and fantasy.

The problem is that when reality intrudes, like in the 2020 election, they "can't handle the truth" and resort to crazed conspiracy theories and violence.

And still do to this day.

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