They seem to have learned nothing from lesson of several month before,
Or they have learnt
that the virus is not as deadly as first feared
That an s.o.e is too costly and ineffective
That the situations in italy, new york etc were as much due to mismanagement as by the virus
That a controlled spread via mask wearing and hygiene is the least bad solution.
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So after six months we and most of the world end up copying the swedish model.
All talk and actions from the government certainly indicate this.
Hopefully the government have learnt what has gone right and wrong there and we can keep deaths to a minimum.
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Glad I reside in Japan where they can ask us to do something not force it down our throats..
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Over a million nz residents are from overseas. They are now effectively cut off from their families overseas.my family included.
Hopefully, the border there and here will start to open by the end of the year
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The constant 2 wave talk hardly inspires people too spend their 100,000 yen.
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You can recover from the coronavirus disease (COVID-19). Catching the new coronavirus DOES NOT mean you will have it for life. Most of the people who catch COVID-19 can recover and eliminate the virus from their bodies.
Clearly it is too early to say what the long term effects are though the majority of cases point to a full recovery.
Unfortunatly as with any illness there are those who have lasting side effects.
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Of course I would be more concerned if a family member died from the virus but seeing as there are less than a thousand deaths the odds of that happening are thankfully very low.
Furthermore as the vast majority of cases make a full recovery unless a sick, elderly or obese family member caught the virus I would expect a full recovery.
Again wear a mask and wash your hands that's enough.
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It's not about "panicking", but being responsible and doing the right thing. Because of the nay-sayers ignore pretty much everything, even science, the ones being responsible have to be extra cautious
There is a difference between being responsible and calling for a lockdown and pausing daily life.
I agree wear a mask and practice good hygiene.
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We all get corona is unpleasant, the question is it unpleasant enough to warrant this kind of panic.
The answer in Japan at least is no.
By the way
concentration or memory problems
swollen lymph nodes
unexplained muscle or joint pain
symptoms of patients "recovered" from influenza.
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In other news nationally zero people died yesterday or today.
Tokyo has had zero fatalities since 6/24
This isn't the flu but its not the end of the world either.
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I don't think the government are being generally dishonest and I appreciate they haven't tried either to scare us with worst case death tolls or taken away freedoms on the otherhand communication of aims and justification of such aims has been appalling.
Until now the government has generally taken a back seat and left it up to society and big business to set the tone , so unfortunately the one time they actualy need to lead they have been inept at communication.
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The lack of clear messaging from the government is the biggest problem.
They need to say clearly and why either,
There isnt much more we can do beyond advising caution.
The virus is less deadly than first feared so dont panic but continue to be careful.
Or, we believe another s.o.e for certain prefectures may be necessary and these are the measures we will impose if needed.
At the moment we have people believing they are at risk of dying, others who are afraid of a shutdown and those who see it all as an overreaction. Uncertainly and confusion are doing as much mental and financial damage as the virus itself.
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The most likely outcome is on monday the government will rerequest not travelling to the kanto region and resuming telework across japan.
There isnt the money for another s.o.e
Unfortunatly this is what "with corona" means.
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Mar. 500 cases Apr100 deaths .20%
Apr. 2800 case May.200 deaths. 7%
May. 1400 cases June 25 deaths2%
June 1000 cases
Presuming deaths occur around a month after infection
The death rate for confirmed cases has gone from 20% down to under 2% and presumably will fall again in june. 100 cases in July isn't the same as 100 cases in march or may.
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Its unfortunate the numbers are increasing but it's a similar situation around the world.
Hopefully the medical world has become better able to fight the virus and deaths won't increase in 2/3 weeks.
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The deaths rate is decreasing and understanding of the virus is increasing so yes its a good idea to change the parameters.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Again so we agree
lockdowns and vaccines wont make the virus disappear and that isnt the goal, people who think otherwise are wrong.
The whole idea is to keep infections at a manageable level be it via the 3 c', worst case anothe s.o.e and eventually a vaccine while at the same time developing effective treatmentsw
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You're claiming vaccines are ineffective, that they were claimed that they would eliminate flu viruses
No. I am saying vaccines reduce infection rates to manageable level but dont eliminate a virus anyone hoping otherwise is going to disappointed
, and that the recent lockdown measures were meant to eliminate the virus.
Again no, the idea was to buy time and flatten the curve. I have never said otherwise.
All of these claims are incorrect. That's where the disagreement comes in.
Please read a persons previous posts or at least the rest of the thread.
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We agree, great not sure what the disagreement is. I have been saying the same since march.
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Every year, various viruses come out and are packaged under the generic term 'the flu', the same way various colds are packaged under 'a cold'.
So yeah, the flu vaccine hasn't eliminated viruses that don't exist yet. Um yeah, because how would they?
But you seem to have made the very incorrect assumption that the vaccines don't work on the strains of virus they ARE targeted against
Sigh back at you, vaccines work at reducing the number of infections but no vaccine has ever successfuly eliminate any particular strain of influenza . So why would a vaccine successfuly eliminate this substrain (19) of the corona family?
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I am white born in the uk to a south african mother and nz father but have japanese citizenship, my kids struggle to understand how I have blue eyes but have a Japanese passport, so I can undestand the average person on the street asking me if I speak japanese.
Things take time, this woman needs to learn patience
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Some people lacking in reading comprehension somehow thought this meant that the virus would or even could be eliminated by the lockdowns.
I think I lot of people think/ thought that the goal is/was to eliminate the virus. Wear a mask, practice good hygine and stay home if sick is all we can and need to do.
Either, we are going to get lucky and the virus mutates to extinction, or we are going to more likely have 60 cases a day 10 years from now too. A vaccine didnt eliminate the flu so why should corona be different.
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In March we knew next to nothing and were unprepared.
Now,Doctors have a better understanding of effective treatments.
2.the death rate is lower than feared
3.to date no child in japan has died
3.there are thousands of hotel beds preparedMedical institutions have implemented effective measures. (Rates of hospital clusters have decreased
5.The risk of infection is lower than feared. (~1% in tokyo)
Japanese are not dying in high numbers ( low obesity rates are a possible factor)
Lockdowns have proven unable to eliminate the virus.The infection rate has gone down in local areas such as kita kyushu without returning to s.oe
8.people wear masks everywhere.
The whole idea was and still is not to overwhelm hospitals. The overshoot number is now far higher than before.
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I don't understand the logic of 1m separation in lines, if you are facing forward even if the person behind you coughs on your back, you aren't going to get infected unless you then touch your neck and lick your hands.
Worst case you have to rub a little alcohol on your neck if your worried.
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More stupidity from the Abe regime. Freelancers should be required to register as Sole Traders (Kojin Jigyou). By definition a Sole Trader is NOT an employee. Simple really.
Exactly true freelancers are kojin jigyo青色申告, otherwise you are a p/t employee.
Unfortunatly p/t employees have been badly affected and need more support and regulation.
Whereas we freelancers 青色申告generally pay low taxes and have received a generous payment from the government.
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doggarToday 10:03 pm JST
Peterbowie if by awesome food you mean microwaved takoyaki, frozen takitori and day old sashimi, then by all means tempt fate and eat. The food at most izakayas has a lot of be desired.
Chain stores yes, small local izakaiyas no.
I Have been going to the same izakaiya for over a decade
Nice regulars and good owner who have become good always nice to drop in alone for a few beers on the way home . A local Izakaiya is a small community.
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America had 300 times the number of cases to Japan yesterday.
100 times more based on population
How can america still be 100 times worse than japan at this stage?
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The general response from the public and politicians seems to be a big shrug of the shoulders.
Thankfully, panic and hysterical predictions seem to be on message boards only.
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The s.o.e wasn't needed but Japan has handled things better than most.
Maybe the simplest solutions. 1.wearing a mask to stop transmission
2.And not being overweight to reduce deaths
will prove to be all that is needed.
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