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smithinjapan

What the hell are you really talking about?

What is exactly what is said?? Abe nor nobody never asked, requested, to shut down or disband civic groups. How does removing the statue violating international convention become illegal. Define. The government talked to people? which one local municipality or Seoul Central government. Don't lie. Seoul delcared it left judgement to Local municipality. That's it. Did it strive to solve or not. 5.It was not the civic group which took it down once but local municipality did as so much of crazy complaints calls and mails blew up their normal operations and internet server down and it got afraid of rallies or even violence as in the a million candle protests against president Park. the government, if it is serious, can FORCE. It doesn't have to use violence from the beginings but can explain why those needs to be taken down. Did it do that or not? If it did, show me the evidence. Are you ignorant not talking about what and how government took actions in the highschool girls tragedy 2002 or in the demonstration by the family left of the victims from Sewol sunk?

Pretty disgusting when you think how many poor Japanese (who, by the way, weren't even refugees or whose lives weren't even in peril) the Americas accepted during the 19th and 20th centuries

As you mentioned, they were not refugees. If Americas didnot want to accept them, whoelse should it have accepted? or prefered to accept? or should Americas have closed the gate?

The fact that someone protests in SK doesn't mean they are NK sympathizers.

Just a note I didn't refer to. Mr and Mrs Kim, creaters of the statues are NK sympathizers, well known fact in Korea.

I don't see the connection between Japan's compensation for their abominations in the peninsula and the Koreans erecting MEMORIALS of a bitter part of their history.Koreans may choose to forgive but must they also forget?

Unless they try to find fault with Japanese public textbooks and Japan's domestic issues all the time and bring fabricated stories into UN, directly/indirectly support for erecting the statue overseas, and of course violate Vienna conventions, there would be nothing much Japan thinks worthwhile or capable of complaining about.

@blowny1

Happy New Year

As I have said ad nauseum - I've got no investment in this, other than an observer of a situation that is growing more and more out of control - to the detriment of Japan. Wise people should analyse this.

As you stressed it a few times, I got it. But the causes (the incident in 2002 and the agreement in 2015) don't even have to be compared and less important IMO except the only fact that the protesting statue were erected in front of/near foreign embassy on public land). As I said, the issue here is the reaction K-Gov took in both cases, in other word, how central goverment can be serious enough to respect the agreement where it declared, at least, to make efforts to appropriately solve the anxiety of Japan related to Vienna convention The agreement was of course reached finally and irrevoably unconditionally. If All those history cards, like Yasukuni, Enforced Labor, Hiroshima-Korean victim, and Takeshima/Dokdo, Kanto Earthquake are all mixed up and used from time to time as good excuse not to respect the spirit of agreement, S.K shouldn't have made any agreements internationally and offcially for ever.

See my point? S.K Government tried to and did take down the same symbol in front/near foreign embassy, as violating vienna conventiion, public road traffic law as reasonnings

@igloobuyer

I thought you were joking. Your apple and orange are very much comparable.

browny1

I doubt you knew the incident in 2002 and how furious the entire country became at that time. Yes the incident is not related to the comfortwomen issues but here we are talking about the stance of SK government. Or are you claiming because the victim was just two school girls and less significant, the government could become serious and was able to reject the erection of the statue twice, for violatoin of Vienna convention and public road traffic law as reasonings? I am sorry to say, whenever someone says it's not comparable, it just sounds sophistry.

Weak arugument which rather proves the government has different colour of will depending on the cases, which is called Intentional, and hence, tacit consent.

Your argument of different govt would be irrelevent, whoever heads up the government, they have the same power and authoirtative rights to enforce the law unless constitution changes. Different line of thought? again means nothing but only tactics using diffrent language depending on the situations. It's their nothing but intention

And as I have stated many times before, as an observer of these comings and goings on both sides, this will never end until the revisionists stop fuelling the fire.

This plan to erect another statue in Busan didn't suddnly start because of Inada's Yasukuni visit. It is rediclous to connect Inada's visit just a few days ago to their never-ending movements

S.Korea had better start thinking of changing the design of her current national flag to the one with the statue right in the center

ignorantbuyer

Only Japan and ISIS have done this in modern history.

Raping many times by many in row matches enslaving in sex slave camp or even worse. You basically do not understand what they claim keep erecting the statues are allegedly for.

browny1

Do you have info re the National Govt of Korea giving tacit consent? In most democratic (or semi) societies, govts have limited powers re people expressing beliefs. We only have to look at what the extreme right wing groups get away with here under the guise of freedom of speech. If it's not illegal then what can they do?

Do you know the tragedy in 2002 two highschool girls got run over to death by US armored Car? The civic group protested by trying to erect the statue ( i guess it was also created by the same Mr and Mrs Kim famous creater for these statue) twice. Right in front of US Embassy for the first time, got rejected by SK Government, and actually erected a couple blocks away from the embassy, Again immediately taken down by the government. See it was serious enough and didnot make stupid excuse or not stayed silent like it is now.

smith

THIS from a guy who believes the claim that visits to Yasukuni by Japanese government officials, in their official capacity, are personal and have no conflict in the separation of church and state?" smith

Just making exaggeration would not satify you enough and started making up stories? When did say I such things. I didn't post much to Yasukuni Thread. All I said, 1) Even GW Bush offered to make an viist, Yeltin acrually paid visit and 2) Let Japanese deal with Yasukuni ( means let Japanese handle all the controvercial issues) and leave them alone.

Strangerland

I'm not surprised that you, who is funded by the Japanese government to cast doubt on the sex slaves, would say the above quote.

If it's real that I could get paid for just posting comments by J-goverment, I would eagerly raise my hand to be registered for such position as 5-cents/post warrior

sf2k

The only people who are offended are those who are still Imperial apologists / Yasukuni followers. No one else could be offended.

Wow. RReeeallly?

browny1

Yes - a local govt gave permission to erect the statue - but they are hardly the govt of S.Korea.

No it is nothing but tacit consent of SK government. If Government serious enough, it would ve taken down allthe statues by now.

And as I stated on other posts - all credibility for sincere apologies goes down the drain when you have a leading representative of the revisionist movement (Nippon Kaigi & Shinto Seiji Renmei), no less than the Defense Minister Inada, playing her mind games adding fuel to the fire.

smithinjapan would ve warned you what's those Nippon Kaigi, Yasukuni all go to do with the issue. This is talking about the statues.

kind of like school kids in Japan being made to go on school trips to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Probably kind of like school kids in Japan being made to go on school trips to Seoul and being made Dogeza-apology in front of Halmeonis, or K-pop kids being made chorus Dokdo Our Land only to ruin their stage-performance

smith

In six posts on this topic you have every time talked about South Korea in Vietnam,

Don't exggerate. I said Korea should think of and teach about what they themselves have done not only in Vietnam but also to it's own female citizen during/after Korean War in their very homeland in my only two posts as I am of opinion that the issue should be looked into from wider perspective. This is something Prof. Park Yuha claims important.

This is about South Korea nullifying a deal with Japan

I have already posted a piece as it is too rediculous these politicians calling for nullifying the deal for me to comment on.

but if I add one more comment, I actually want them to nullify this final and irreversible resolution and make a allegedly civilized nation turn to a laughable piece, to nullify the official agreements between nations twice.

Go nullify and Let Japan never return to the discussion table and make 34 halmeonis (who acceted the deal) feel ahamed. giving Japan still chance to expose their lies here and there. even better.

I think media around the world should also focus on what's happening in Korea right this moment, which is,....

Park Yu-ha professor, who criticized the Korean interpretation of comfort women as exclusively "sex slaves", in her book "Comfort Women of the Empire", now she is on trial with a chance of getting a sentence 3years in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Yu-ha

She is in danger,..

Can't think of any other expression, No Law-abiding at all, but just Emotion-abiding nation ruled by Cult. That's what Korea is now. sealed up anything against their emotional narratives, even the nation's justice system, keeping hiding it's own pubic area that the same nation abused the same comfort women under central government control. Poor young kids have no chance to learn whatsoever. Those 122 Korean oldwomen who sued their government got simply treated like garbages and rejected, being requested as mandatory to prove their experiences by themselves. Court said, it's just your testimony, you need evidence to prove your testimony. What a joke!!

Let Japanese deal with Yasukuni and leave them alone

smith

You read and type Japanese. you know how to google search. be my guest whtever combination to search and I don't care less if you don't believe it as your the last one I feel obliged to be fair. Enjoy the real stories

They march, they scream, but not so many come to the funeral. The only people at the funeral turned out to be Japanese. What kind of Joke is this.

What the heck is this fuss all about?

As I said somewhere else, even GW Bush made an offer to visit Yasukuni. Russian President Yeltsin actually visited Yasukuni.

So US and Russia bascially has no problem

Reconciliation Abe quoted was about between Japan and US for the time being wasn't it?

smith

Nice try! by repeating the word Vietnam ony to intentionally emphasize on deflection, casting away from Korean victims under korean/US/UN comfort stations during/after Korean War.

Who actually coerced girls into the journey to the stations at first hand? Koreans themselves and these young kids really know that fact?

letsberealistic

My education was just fine. Everything I studied about the comfort women issues were almost all after early 90's when this issue , for the first time, came out under spotlight, before when, by the way, even Koreans didn't know about it at all.

There is no denying the facts - and if you had any knowledge of Japanese history and culture through the ages you would have no trouble believing this.

You rather study history and culture of China and Korea, I recommend

From this point beyond, Korean politicians and academia should start teaching Korean youth how Korea itself treated women after WW2 during Korean War and during Vietnam War

smith

NO I am not at all. Ones cannot undestand comfort women unless trying to understand how women had been treated in the long history of the penninsula

Try not to discuss hiding your own pubic area but concentrate attacking on the same of other, That's exactly what you're doing smith. Shame on you.

and in many cases murdered after

ridiculous exaggeration again. or are you talking about the vietnamese victims slaughtered agfter the rape by Koreans?

smith

Never hear of deflection? What does this have to do with Vietnam again?

Me deflected? just responded to the post from randomnator. but speaking of Korea/US/Vietnam Comfort stations, your what's those god to do with this issue, don't deflect is no more than petty excuse to evade their own ugly comfortwomen history. Even after WW2. Nonethless, those hypocrites never teach Korean youth the facts.

HUGE difference when your government is actively taking part, which the Japanese government STILL is. Japan is quite well known to be one of the worst human traffickers and rights violators in the world, in the work and also sex industry.

What the heck HUGE difference is? What the heck Japanese government STILL is taking part of?

Park Chung-hee who signed on Base Village purification policy, and called their own victims national hero to earn forein ccy wasn't president then? If it's not the right in the middle of central government, whereelse?

They are sick. What do they want to do with 34 (out of 46 ) oldwomen who accepted the deal already? Take money back away and force them to restart working in front of Japanese embassy? or start calling them **whores for accepting money?

Where is your proof about the US and China? Classic right wing nationalist Japanese tactic, deny and deflect.

Seriously asking? never heard of 5th Supply? never read the news of 122 korean victims sued their government? never read news about Comfort stations in Vietnam?

but when did China ever use comfort women?

貢女（朝鮮語: 공녀、コンニョ） in 1000 year subordinate history of the pennisula to Chinese empires. well setting aside long history, the academia found that there were korean cofortwomen who willingly trips to China to make money before WW2. There are aslo some findings of Chinese comfort stations for Chinese customers

Japan is the only country to organize sex trafficking at the central government level.

If not the central government level, what difference does it make?

smith

And yet you defend it, knowing it's wrong. Go figure.

What's wrong I know? lol. When are you posting your anti-Abe comments to the new threads after the event by the way? Was it sincere or insincere or what?

Much better than the last time. He didn't look down on a draft, didn't speak in english.

Sangetsu.

well, reactions from US Medias and usual anti-Abe posters here doesn't make your view persuasive.

theeastisred

Didn't watch TV? He was hugging them

I guess Obama doesn't know that Abe is the fourth Japanese prime minister to visit Pearl Harbor, in fact, Abe's grandfather, prime minister Kishi visited Pearl Harbor and offered condolences in 1959. There is nothing at all "historic" about Abe's visit. "Reconciliation" took place long ago, and neither Abe nor Obama deserve the credit they are claiming.

2 leaders visit and offered condolences together for the first time. That's the whole point

theeastisred

Japan modelled its colonial subjugation of east and southeast Asia on the western powers,

Not really. Japan didnot take same approach at all. Western Powers just exploited.

smith

yes, he is insincere, but there are still ways he can limit the damage he does.

Here we go, damn if he doesn't, damn however he does. One should not expect any from the insincere gesture.

Japan adopted total war and abandoned the protections of declaring the USA's later actions 'war crimes'.

Japan was punished for War Crimes.　US was not.

Nukes were not necessary and US cannot make any excuse on that.

smith

A bit of rich, coming from you right after posting this pettiness as always.

We know he's mostly there for a photo op and to gain points at home, but it won't fly over there

You all know and think he is there for photo op and gaining points, so insincere! even before he leaves Japan

and then what's next?, damn if he does, damn if he doesn't

smith

Saying nothing means nothing.

WillyBrandt style. Looks like it’s more appealing to those who endlessly claim Japan’s apologies as insincere, doesn’t it.

We know he's mostly there for a photo op and to gain points at home, but it won't fly over there.

It’s your own business how you perceive his visit. There are others who wouldn’t perceive in such petty manner. Enjoy your long-lasting life.

When Obama came he made a very wonderful, heartfelt speech. He did not go so far as to apologise, but he did not stand in silence, either, as you are suggesting is ample enough. Imagine if Obama had said nothing but signed a few knick-knacks for Hiroshima to make money off of, and instead of hugging the former victim who then spoke to him, he just pushed him aside and ignored him. That's what you're saying Abe should do.

Oh Yes. Japan or Abe might need some help for Hollywood –style stagings , by employing Stage-director, Scenario writer, Stylists. And yet, 17min speeches would be unnecessary when you mourn to the war-dead because he is not speaking to US Congress but to the war-dead. NO wonder you never understand Yasukuni.

I hope you are not forgetting which was the most enthusiastic member of the 'white supremacists aggressors colonists' club

Do you know what white supremacists’ principle means?　They didn’t allow the colored to be a member, that’s the whole point.

The above is a perfect example of what happens when history isn't taught or learned.....

You’re the perfect example of what happens when history was distorted and ruined by white victor’s expedience.