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Japan's aggression was directed at many countries prior to and during WWII, not just the US. See: China, the Philippines, Burma, Korea, Australia, etc.

In the east, there were only white supremacists aggressors' colonies and semi-colonized China sucked down to the marrow, except Thai. These aggressors fought for protecting their vested interests sending local citizens over to the battle fields.

Abe should not say a word, just stand quiet and mourn. Anything he says would feed trolls.

All we can ask is that they remember and teach the new generation accurately what happened so that history is not repeated.

What can be remembered and taught, then, is only one fact There was a terrible War between 2 countries. No more no less

GW

Repeating same exaggeration like a broken record, listening to nothing but their own exaggerated narratives. You sound just like China and Korea

@Yumster100

Yes. Taking into account the last days of historical presidents, something really wrong with them

Let's try to make whole world safe enough for anyone able to comfortably sleep in the train just like in Japan!

Napping in public places is a shameless act done by Japanese people.

Lucky if it's still safe and comfortable to sleep in the train nowadays. At least I don't see Japanese sleep on merchandise at IKEA

Too bad the Japanese don't deal with their corrupt leaders this way.

Lucky the Japanese don't have corruption this way

＠GW

If you were you MIGHT recall the reason Murayama san was the one to give the speech on the 50TH anniversary of WWII, hint the LDP were too chicken to do what was right!! You might also recall abe & his fellow LDPer's were LIVID with Murayama san's speech & there were INSTANT howls & denials, it was disgusting to witness.

Sorry to ask you but So What?

Did Murayama, Kono were forced to take them back? Do you know the backgrounds of how Kono-statement was prepared? Korean Government reviewed and good bedding was done between 2 governments beforehand. But the reality was that there were absolutely none of back-up investigation but Japan took all the testimonies by some unknown named victims living at some unknown address as if they all **did actually happen.

What happened then afterwards? Some of victims testimony found out to be completely false, there were no comfort stations in the area she claimed having worked!

Seiji Yoshida confessed his testimonies were completely fictious.

Asahi finally admitted it has been leaving falsified news and column for too long only to gtake them back 3oyears after.

And yet, Abe took the statements of those two back? Didn't Japan as a country swallowed all those including dubious parts.. but apologized?

Since when, anybody could possibly assert that you need Diet’s ratification? Is it some international Law or something? I don’t know any country which ratified the apology except when Americans apologized to Americans. Above all else, I don’t know any country which apologized except Germans only to Jews.

@Aly

except you deny you did anything wrong which contradicts EVERYTHING you said.

How so? Click my name and search from my old posts and prove yourself how those contradicts each others, if you can. The driving force to prove Japan's attorocities during WW2 are coming out of inside Japan by Japanese themselves. The opinions of the Japanese are not the same. but split . I deny the narratives inflated, or exggerated. so How am I contradincting? show me the proofs. I am not JAPAN. I am a Japanese who has any right to state what I believe correct.

@melonbarmonster

claiming that Japan already apologized while denying Japan coerced these women into sex slavery is a hoot.

I don't remember I myself or some like CH3 or sfjp330 ever denied some specific War crimes by Japanese soldiers. I don't remember JAPAN as a country officially refered to or denied those specific cases.

When Abe said there was no proofs of abduction, he refered to, in particular, Korean Penninsula. Nowadays major ad-tower korean oldwomen whose narrative were orginally being abducted, kidnapped by IJA soldiers almost all fine-tuned and started excluding the subjects of the story Who did. How come they could possibly change their narratives so easily. some of them started their testimonies in her early 60's for gods sake.

As an individual I deny anything which I believe is not true. so I DENY your too-rough expression of hoot

GW

sadly in Japan for 7+ decades its been not about learning & moving on, its been about DENYING & pretending nothing happened, understand the difference???

7+ decades? first korean comfort women came out early 1990's.

What were public-statements made by Murayama, Kono, Abe ,etc and Asian Women Fund all done for ? Who are those guys like Yoshimi Yoshiaki, Yuki-Tanaka, all other professors and Journalists including activists group in Japan?

Don't you see JAPAN has been split in opinions?

@igloobuyer

I mean, if it is such common knowledge with enough evidence, the epigrahs of the statue on the ground of the church must be surely includig AUSTRALIA in the victims list,.. somewhere in "OVER 200,000 WOMEN AND GIRLS FROM KOREA ,CHINA,TAIWAN,THE PHILIPPINS,INDONESIA,MALASIA,VIETNAM,THE NETERLANDS AND EAST TIMORE .....(continue)".

Otherwise, Rev Crews and Korean-Australian activists group would be in trouble.

@igloobuyer

Just because you didn't know something doesn't mean it isn't true. The information you seek is easily available - if you really wanted to know the answers to these questions you would start searching and reading.

When did I say such thing? Are you evading my question?

＠igloobuyerDec. 17, 2016 - 07:22PM JST

Not doing much research are you. Search Google it's common knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

I am shocked that I didn't have common knowledge after this much of my posts wrt comfort women. Other than O'herne who was not Australian at that time, how many Australian comfort women existed? As long as I know there was no comfort women stations in Australia. Were they kidnapped or abducted suddenly or decieved and taken away to somewhere else to work as sex slaves? I appreciate a little more information because your wiki-link does not say anything asserting. Were they comfrto women or the victims of war-time sex crimes like O'herne.

Why didn't they raise their voices for sincere apologies, were they all dead by now? where were they when being abused as sex slaves? why didn't Asian women fund didn't even recognize Austarilan victims? What's going on?

Yoshitsune

Yes but my point is that we (British) don't deny what was done (by Britain), so we don't get pushback from people trying to stop us denying it.

Is that so? you don't deny or you can't deny? then did you make sincere apologies? when and how?

Azrul Hakim

Are you saying that from today's point of view or from your religious point of view?

How do you want to deal with the time and place where prostitutions were legal? or with sex workers who march on the street claiming for the freedom of choosing occupation?

smith

People are called deniers because they deny what happened

Because deniers never gave up, people started realizing that, as far as Korean peninsula is concerned,** their original narratives were falsified, like abduction or kidnapping, enforce recruitments by Japanese military. On the other hand, majority of Korean comfort women were sold by their korean parents, deceived by korean brokers, korean chief of villages, or willing prostitues.

Without the efforts of those deniers sorting out the facts and fabrications, I am pretty sure, the narrative just like in the recent disgusting fictious korean movie (Kikyou) would 've been the defact standard of history. As a matter of fact, this narrative is the de fact standard for epigraphs of almost all statues in the world.

See? THEY DENY WHAT DIDNOT HAPPEN

so strive as the government might, legally they cannot force them. So, you fail, again.

Yes. K-Government can, or at least it could but it didn't. It's just silly exuse, not to mention Vienna treaty, despite the fact, in case of girls statue run over to death by ameicans, K-Government rejected, and took down the statue twice immediately no matter how strongly a civic groups and families condemened their actions.

Rich coming from the church that should be placing 'comfort boy' statues instead for all the suffering of young alter boys at the hands of the Christian clergy and covered up for so many years. I find it the irony of this story is lost on a great deal of the public

I was about to refer to this story. Thanks for letting posters here know about the irony.

Crews said of the complaint. “To me, it’s about the suffering of the women. I’ve got no antipathy toward the Japanese people.” the Peace Statue Establishing Committee in Sydney said the statue was about peace, not racial hatred."

And yet, intentionally ignoring about the epigraphs of all around 50 statues in the world ,which refer to nothing but IJA as sole evil. No mention to Koreans, Americans, Russians, Chinese, Germans, French. Some even exclude Japanese comfort women from victim’s nationalities’ list inscribed. So much for hypocritical excuse likewhat these statues universally represent This is nothing but an act of racism against Japanese only.

seeing how their denial is exactly an act that is reasonably likely to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” someone because of his or her race or ethnicity.

How exactly denial becomes such an racism act? I defy you to explain exactly. When Seiji-Yoshida’s crap or Katsuichi Honda’s crap(who admit his fabrication later in his life) was denied and proven falsified by the efforts of Japanese, Japanese offend , insult, humiliate Japanese? To exonerate the wrongfully convicted, or to prove what did not happen as did not happen, of course you deny falsified claim. A lost posters here don’t understand the biggest driving forces criticizing Japan for war-time atrocities coming inside from Japan. Japanese themselves.

You are not making any sense.

But we don't deny them.

You just don’t get yourselves exposed at all to your own crimes endlessly like this.

As you can see, the Japanese expats living in Australia (of which there are far more than Australians living in Japan) have a voice when they feel that they are being discriminated against - unlike Australians living in Japan.

Of course. Australia is a democratic country with human rights. Japan isn't. At all.

it's their church and their country (Australia) if you don't want it, the door is open and get the hell out! (How does it feel now huh?)

AJCN continuously belittle, abuse, disgrace Aussie people and the country Australia or just asking not to erect the statue?

Spoils of War? I deign to think what the outcome would have been if the shoe was on the other foot. Get over it!!

No. Just spoils of aggression, unilaterally broken non-aggression pact and invaded after seeing weakened Japan with 1st atomic bomb. Coward Sneak attack. No need diegn to think IF in history

Japan started a horrible war and lost horribly. Get over it.

Right Japan started the war provoked/conored/trapped by US.

What a horseplay. It's just one private school. doesn't force your kids to join the class.

Is there anybody who knows their class in detail?

Whatever reasons are, more than 40% said No was unexpected. This 70 voters must include silent readers

A preemptive attack is simply an attack. It's a way of speaking for the attacker to make themselves feel better about being in the wrong for attacking first.

There should be nothing wrong with attacking first. Without it, there would not be any war or any fight on the street.

Desiring the first overt act is a way of speaking for the hypocrite ( who make yor opponent to punch you first) to make themselves feel better about being in the wrong for taking the fight to the extreme, or in some particular case, to make good excuse to deceive public opinions.

yet another quote taken out of context which doesn't prove your completely false narrative.

If I could perfectly prove my narrative, I wouldn't be posting here but earing my life as a professional historian. So far, you have only just damned my posts just like everybody else here, so I don't mind hearing your own completely perfect narrative to assert that conspiracy theory is completely false.

So please be my guest.

By the way, What is my narrative? Don't make me wait too long.

As For PearlHarbor Attacks

It was one of tactics, preemptive attack. Not sneaky defined as stealthy, coward, furtive, considering the fact Japan’s planned 30min in advance declaration fell behind due to the technical errors at Japanese embassy. Nothing as intentional as USSR ‘s fell behind intentionally as much as 4 hours

Besides, under the rule of the days where no minimum lead time specified, if it was even a minute before, it makes the attack legitimate but if falling behind just a minute, does it make Big Surprise Coward Attack?

The treaty didn’t specify what sort of advance notice to be required ahead of hostile action.

You might call it surprise if you are lower-ranked soldiers or civilians but It could never be real surprise attack for FDR and his cronies. No matter how much those conspiracy theorists got refuted already you believe, War Department secret circulations clearly recognized and stated that "Surprise aggressive action at any moment is possible and it is desired that Japan commit the first overt act if hostilities cannot be avoided"", hence, urging preparedness for such surprise attacks.

They just did not know, then maybe, exactly when and exactlywhere. Yet, no such rule existed, which required to specify where to attack, existed.

US was also good at (sneak) attacks in her undeclared wars those days too.

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/undeclared-war-in-the-atlantic-the-u-s-navy-versus-the-u-boats/

http://historyarticles.com/undeclared-war/

and Native Hawaiians remembered it was american's undeclared sneak attacks too

Forgot to link

NHK Special 決断なき原爆投下 米大統領　71年目の真実 Atomic Bombs dropping without definite determination．The president and Truth after 71 Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Z1JUx3jQc

Those two cities were chosen for their military significance, not their civilian populations

Wrong. Nothing to do with military significance. And first target was actually Kyoto which was rejected by Stimson. Target cities were selected completely based on optimum locations with densely-populated for **maximum destruction effect as possible

That was nothing but EXPERIMENT. Too many american pepple believe it was for ENDing the WAR to save more victims of both countries, but that's just hypocritic narrative covering-up the true motive.

It’s even questionable Truman as POUST formally and clearly decided and authorized it before dropping. Groves himself saying (in the video) that they could not waste $2.2billion spent already for the project.

Anybody watched NHK Special 決断なき原爆投下 (Atomic Bombs dropped without definite determination translated by myself)? If you have no problem in listening/understanding Japanese, you should definitely see this.

Quite a few readers here seem not know the TRUTH Even those who have problems in Japanese listening, just try to pickup the testimonies in English and see the pictures. It is worthwhile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Z1JUx3jQc

to post my opinion wrt this thread, Remember Hiroshima/Nagasaki!! It is not even comparable

If you think the program is fake, you should know where to take your anger to, not to me.

Yes. That's Michael Yon. Any problem?

If you didn't like the book, this would be better.

http://riversidearchives.tumblr.com/post/20161760897

There is also something like this.

Stimson entered in his diary the following statement: [Roosevelt] brought up the event that we are likely to be attacked perhaps next Monday, for the Japanese are notorious for making an attack without warning, and the question was what we should do. The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1897543?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_L._Stimson#cite_note-12

RIght, and Japan never colonized Korea, invaded China, over-ran Singapore, attempted to subjugate all of east Asia under it's rule, and in the process murder millions upon millions of people either.

not sure we can go that far but...

Right, Japan annexed Korea. and Western Great Powers invaded, colonized, subjugated all over Asia except Thai and Japan. under their rule and in the process, mudered millions upon millions of people.

Yubaru

Unlike Nanking, both Hiroshima/Nagasaki and Pearl H were very real, let aside questions which and why and how in mourning war dead, if both leaders are serious and sincere, such adherence seems meaningless.

And just which side instigated the war? Which side finished what the other started? Japan bears a larger historical "blame" for WWII.

Answering to this, IJA started this war instigated/provoked/conored by USA. I am with conspirathy theorists.

Yubaru

It was one of tactics, preemptive attack. Not sneaky defined as stealthy, coward, furtive, considering the fact Japan’s planned 30min in advance declaration fell behind due to the technical errors at Japanese embassy. Nothing as intentional as USSR ‘s fell behind intentionally as much as 4 hours

Besides, in the world with no minimum required lead time specified, if it was even a minute before, it makes the attack legitimate but if falling behind just a minute, does it make Big Surprise Coward Attack? The treaty didn’t specify what sort of advance notice to be required ahead of hostile action. You might call it surprise if you are lower-ranked soldiers or civilians but It could never be real surprise attack for FDR and his cronies. No matter how much those conspiracy theorists got refuted you believe, War Department secret circulations clearly recognized and stated Surprise aggressive action at any moment is possible and it is desired that Japan commit the first overt act if hostilities cannot be avoided, hence, urging preparedness for such surprise attacks. They just did not know, then maybe, exactly when and exactly where and no such rule requiring to specify where to attack, existed.

US was also good at (sneak) attacks in her undeclared wars those days too, I presume you know.

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/undeclared-war-in-the-atlantic-the-u-s-navy-versus-the-u-boats/

http://historyarticles.com/undeclared-war/

Also I am interested in asking how come you repeat Abe should’ve visited before Obama. How does their turns matter?

As long as the Americans are militarily present in Japan and as long as Japan have no independent foreign policy no progress can be made.

Then why historical russian presidents always putting the islands talks on the table all the time from 1956? That's the only baits Russia can think of? to beg for economic cooperations? What cowards!