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@ Cleo

I find it more than distasteful when animals are killed wantonly and inhumanely for the sake of a blatant lie.

Ah, the animal rights arguement :)

So do you accept all whaling other than Japanese whaling? ( You seem to believe Japanese whaling is a lie, feel free to correct me if not )

I don't care how 'hard-working' the 'researchers' might be,if they're aiding the mealy-mouthed whaling industry in any way, they have no credibility as impartial observers.

Interesting concept, the International Whaling Commission sends impartial observers on the Japanese non lethal line transect surveys, and as far as you are concerned, they have no credibility.

Uhuh ..

Logically it follows on that you consider the IWC to have no credibility in that case. But if Sea shepherd claim they are enforcing the SOS established by the IWC. Why are SSCS then claiming enforcement of the SOS by a body that has no credibility in your / their eyes?

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@ Cleo

That's strange, because during the 2011-2012 season, the Yushin Maru 3 spent a lot of its time with the Shonan Maru 2 chasing the Steve Irwin around Macquarie Island - not much trundling up and down peacefully watching whales going on there.

I suggest you look up why ( clue, it`s in the report ).

According to the icr cruise report for 2011-2012, 684 minke were sighted, of which 266 were 'sampled' (killed). Maybe the claim of non-lethal sighting surveys would have more credibility if they weren't using harpoon vessels and killing nearly 40% of all the whales sighted?

Going off on a bit of a tangent - if they see only 684, what's with the quota of 950? Where's the logic that says you should aim to kill more than you can even find?

'Your lack of knowledge on how line transect surveys work and how they come to abundance estimates from the data is impressive. I suggest you google " line transect surveys whales " and inform yourself.

The Line transect surveys have IWC, non Japanese personel / observers onboard usually, perhaps you would like to question their credibility? Google "Paul Ensor, Sower" - hes a Kiwi, or " Martin Cawthorne" also a Kiwi . I don't think Martin`s been on the surveys for a while ( I may be Wrong ) but I do know that Paul was on the surveys up until a few years ago ( he may very well still be on them )

I will add that I find it distasteful when the credibilty of hard working researchers is questioned for the sake of an obvious anti whaling agenda, but considering we are discussing Sea shepherd, I`m not overly surprised

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ Cleo

So do you have any evidence of SS interfering with the peaceful widdle whalers engaged in non-lethal sampling methods? Just quietly trundling up and down the Southern Ocean whale-spotting and jotting numbers down on a bit of paper??

Certainly :-)

10.8.3.2 REPORT OF THE 2011/12 CETACEAN SIGHTING SURVEY IN THE ANTARCTIC Plans for a dedicated sighting survey in the Antarctic in the 2011/12 austral summer season were presented last year and subsequently endorsed by the Committee (IWC, 2012f). The research vessels Yushin-Maru No 2 and Yushin-Maru No 3 were to survey in Area IIIE, Area IV and western part of Area V. The survey methods were to be the same as in IWC-SOWER surveys, and trackline design was improved to provide approximately uniform coverage probability. Furthermore, the planned sighting procedure was in accordance with the guidelines agreed by the Scientific Committee (IWC, 2012v). Unfortunately no research activity could be conducted due to external violent interference by an anti-whaling group (SC/64/IA8). The Committee expresses regret that these actions had prevented the sighting survey from being conducted as reportedly planned. Following the cessation of the IDCR/SOWER programme in 2009, these surveys now provide the only dedicated cetacean sighting data in this region of the Southern Ocean that might be used for abundance estimation, and as such are extremely valuable to the work of the Scientific Committee.

From the IWC scientific committee report for 2012 ( SCRepFiles2012/SC-Report-Final.pdf )

Sorry, trouble with your English skills again. Are you saying you think the IWC are not happy that they are not getting the data, or that you think the IWC isn't fussed about not getting the data?

The Committee expresses regret that these actions had prevented the sighting survey from being conducted as reportedly planned.

No apologies neccessary..

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@ cleo

eyeon - The whalers seem to think it's necessary to kill the minke in order to count them

No, this is simply untrue. You may believe it, but it has little to do with reality.

counting a minke apparently involves needing to know what and how much it ate for dinner and where, exactly how old it is and how many babies it's carrying, yet for humpbacks just numbers is enough.

Once again, wrong. Other areas of research require lethal sampling. The reason they are not doing lethal sampling on humpbacks i have already stated above. If and when they begin hunting humpbacks, they will collect other data sets from those as well

Population numbers are done via line transect surveys, a non lethal sampling method, although it`s interesting that due to interference by SSCS, they have not been able to conduct these the last few years - I seriously doubt that the IWC are overly happy that they are not getting this data, especially when Japan finances the ships and the surveys.

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ Cleo

Humpback whale population agreed at 42,000, without killing a single one for 'research'. Why do minke have to be killed to be counted, when humpbacks don't?

Who says minkies need to be killed to be counted?

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@ cabadaje

The IWC Plenary Committee. Everyone's invited. Scientific cred not required.

Not quite, Paul Watson and Sea shepherd are banned from the IWC ;-)

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@cleo

In other words, after nearly two decades and tens of thousands of dead whales, the 'research' has still not produced the desired results, ie., agreed estimates of numbers.

Look at SCRepFiles2012/SC-Report-Final.pdf

P37 table 9. Population agreed at 515,000

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

whoops, I am british typo :o)

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ cleo

Seeing as the mods didnt like my last long post, Ill keep this one short

Sigh. Another vociferous one-topic poster who doesn't understand the English language. Japan says it's carrying out 'research' does not mean I agree with what Japan says.

I an british, it`s my mother tongue :-) ( incidentally MODS, hows the quote above for impolite? )

The IWC says Japan is carrying out research - you may disagree with the IWC of course, doesn`t help your arguments too much though

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ Cleo

From the same report

In discussion, it was pointed out that this result indicated that the difference between commercial and JARPA ages in whales of intermediate ages (primarily 15-30 years old) was unlikely to be due to a learning effect. However, both readers were from the same ‘school’, so a bias affecting both readings was still possible. The Committee recommends further experiments (Annex G, Appendix 6) to provide additional insight into ageing errors.

Seems like they want more data anyway :-)

and that the results of the JARPA 1 programme are not required for management under the RMP.

You mean the RMP that the political Arm of the IWC won`t implement?

Cherry pick by the way - lets look at the full statement

The results from the JARPA programme, while not required for management under the RMP, have the potential to improve management of minke whales in the Southern Hemisphere in the following ways: (1) reductions in the current set of plausible scenarios considered in Implementation Simulation Trials; and (2) identification of new scenarios to which future Implementation Simulation Trials will have to be developed (e.g. the temporal component of stock structure). The results of analyses of JARPA data could be used in this way perhaps to increase the allowed catch of minke whales in the Southern Hemisphere, without increasing depletion risk above the level indicated by the existing Implementation Simulation Trials of the RMP for these minke whales. (IWC, 1998a)

Off for another giggle

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ Cleo,

To my mind? Not at all, to the mind of the ICRW, the international agreement that Australia signed.

When the IWC was established in 1946 the 'whaling industry' meant killing whales, but 67 years later the world has moved on.

Some parts of the world have decided not to whale, others continue, it`s the right of IWC members to choose which course they want to follow or both.

whale watching is now a greater source of income for the whaling industry

Whale watching has been going on in Norway since the 90´s, and its **never** been a greater source of income to the fishermen who go whaling. Its also never brought in greater income in total than whling in Norway itself. Both whale watching and whaling are conducted in Norway, Iceland and Greenland, best of both worlds. Are you seriously claiming tha right to tell fishermen in another country the jobs and careers they should take? I cannot take that suggestion seriously and neither would they.

Working to conserve whale stocks to support the whale watching industry is well within the obligations of IWC members to support the orderly development of the (modern) whaling industry.

Whale stocks are not threatened by whaling - period.

Australia wants to end all whaling - period. They will not accept any kind of commerciial whaling - period. So please tell us how that reconciles with the countries who wish to whale?

Australia does not support any ( modern ) whaling

When you find links to independant sources that state authoritively that Japan has no intentions of following IWC restrictions on commercial whaling in the SO should it ever restart, let us know.

Great that you accept that Japan carries out research in the SO ( if you disagree, tell us who provides the data for IWC population figures and who finances this) I suggest you look up information on the SOWER surveys

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Posted in: Anti-whalers say Japanese fleet heading north See in context

@ Cleo

Japan says it's carrying out 'research' to allow for commercial whaling to be resumed,

Correct

but it stands to reason the IWC is not going to allow commercial whaling in a whale sanctuary;

You`re assuming the so called sanctuary is a permanent feature, which is incorrect, it is reviewed each decade. In addition, Japan has a reservation to minke whales in the SOS. Japan has no objection to the Indian ocean sanctuary and has no intentions of whaling there either.

so either Japan is not carrying out bone fide research (actually that's a given)

Incorrect, they are carrying out bona fide research ( who do you think collects the population data in the SO? Who do you think supplies the ships for the surveys in the SO? Who do you think finances the ships in the SO surveys?) Please inform yourself better.

or they are giving notice that they have no intention of abiding by any restrictions the IWC may impose on commercial whaling should it ever restart.

Please supply links to independant sources that state authoritively that Japan has no intentions of following IWC restrictions on commercial whaling in the SO should it ever restart.

Blatant lack of good faith on the part of Japan..

Now that is hilarious, as opposed to Australia?, who has no intention of fulfilling it`s obligations under the ICRW? Who has publicly stated that they will not suppost any return to commercial whaling? If Australia were acting in good faith, they would remove themselves from the IWC as they have no intentions of doing anything other than blocking any whaling other than aboriginal whatsoever.

Incidentally, Greece has quit the IWC, one less anti whaling vote and Mauritania can now vote again at the next IWC meeting in Korea :-)

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@ Cleo

Japan has lodged a formal objection to the sanctuary for minke whales and Japan isn`t whaling commercially in the SO sanctuary

Try reading up on how international treaties and obligations work.

In addition, I`d suggest reading IWC Document Number IWC/48/33. as to the legality of the SO sanctuary in the first place. Japan has asked the IWC to submit a case for the SO Sanctuary to a relevant legal body for judgement and analysis. The IWC has refused to do so.

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@ cleo

Is SS a member of the IWC?

SSCS claims to base their actions on enforcing IWC mandates, ( Sourthern Ocean Sanctuary ) It`s the height of disingenious sophistry and hypocrisy to claim justification for your actions based on the resolutions of the IWC plenary commitee and then ignore the very same IWC resolutions when the IWC denounces your actions and requires you to desist.

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@ Cleo

Yes they have. RECALLING that the Commission has repeatedly requested Contracting Parties to refrain from issuing special permits for research involving the killing of whales within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary, has expressed deep concern at continuing lethal research within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary, and has also recommended that scientific research involving the killing of cetaceans should only be permitted where critically important research needs are addressed;.....CALLS UPON the Government of Japan to suspend indefinitely the lethal aspects of JARPA II conducted within the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

Thats a resolution from the plenary commitee, not the Scientific commitee. The plenary commitee, is the political arena where the anti whaling countries can show their voters how green they are each year.

Here`s another resolution from the Plenary commitee of the IWC

REAFFIRMING the statement on safety at sea made at the Commission’s Intersessional Meeting held in Heathrow, UK, 6-8 March, 2008, which noted reports of dangerous actions by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) in the Southern Ocean directed against Japanese vessels, called upon the SSCS to refrain from dangerous actions that jeopardise safety at sea, and on vessels and crews concerned to exercise restraint, condemned any actions that are a risk to human life and property in relation to the activities of vessels at sea, and again urged Contracting Governments to take actions, in accordance with relevant rules of international law and respective national laws and regulations, to cooperate to prevent and suppress actions that risk human life and property at sea and with respect to alleged offenders

http://iwc.int/cache/downloads/blps560ro0ocsckc0gwggwo8k/63-17.pdf

If SSCS wont follow the resolutions of the IWC plenary commitee, are you really surprised that Japan doesn t either?

The funny part is that SSCS says the IWC SO sanctuary gives them the mandate to do what they do ( amongst other things ) but ignore the IWC when they tell them to stop what they are doing...

They can`t have it both ways

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@ cabadaje

I have to say I am quite curious about the refueling issue, however. If it is indeed illegal, why isn't it even being mentioned by anyone other than the usual protest groups? This would be a bonafide violation of international law, caught on film, publicly acknowledge, and yet...nothing?

Refueling south of 60 degrees is perfectly legal - what`s against various treaties is refueling of Heavy fuel Oil, Which is what the NM used to run on. ( not any more, the NM was refitted ). What you have to remember is that most newspapers simply repeat what is said by SSCS or another journalistic source ( which usually comes from SSCS in the first place )

So if SSCS says its illegal, its simply repeated on and on in various media without anyone actually checking and facts for the most part - once upon a time, journalists actually did some research to verify facts before publishing a story, these days, it`s preety much repeating and rehashing news from other media sources.

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@bajhista

I don't mind Japanese whaling for food but can they put a quota. I hate their reasons for research. It's plain BS.

They have a quota of 850 minkies

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@ avigator,

Lots of whales come to Okinawa, Why not not hunt down there?

Simple, because the IWC doesn`t allow it. they do however, allow hunting in the SO under SC permit.

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@wtfjapan

75 whales @ 3billion yen + hunt, WOW that makes for really expensive meat!.

No worries, Looking forward to the contempt of court proceedings in the USA ( motions already filed ) with SSCS losing their tax exempt charity status and their headquarters in Friday harbour when damages are awarded to the ICR. That will indeed be an expensive SO jaunt for SSCS. The whaling fleet will be back in the SO next winter and as we all know, they`ll take their full quota in the North Pacific in the meantime, so easy come, easy go. In the end, the only thing that SSCS have achieved has been to get JARPA Scientific whaling program declared legal according to the US courts, and of course, SSCS to be finally declared to be carrying out illegal actions in the eyes of the Law

All in all, Pretty cool result for Japan :-)

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Posted in: U.S. court calls Sea Shepherd modern-day pirates See in context

The problem for SSCS and watson is rather simple. SSCS has multiple property holdings in the US, many in watsons name. Now as Watson cannot set foot on US soil ( Interpol remember? ) he cannot do anything about these properties that are in his name. Any contempt of court proceedings will impound these properties and assets first ( Contempt proceedings have already begun ) As for the ships, don`t expect to see them near US soil anytime soon for the reasons Ossanamerica states above. As for those with american passports onboard the ships, well, they are in for a rude surprise when arriving on American soil, perhaps this is one of the reasons so many on the ships are wearing masks and bandanas over there faces ( good luck with that )

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@CH3CHOFEB.

Will you tell me how you avoid double counting whales without immobilizing them?

By using Standard survey methods - a ship travelling at 10knots using two independant observer platforms and recording the surfacing of each whale spotted along a random teansect line within an area.

Its the method Norway uses and is accepted by the IWC. Its also roughly the method Japan uses on the SOWER non lethal surveys in the SO.

Crap sampling in the SO is fine in theory, but "crap" in practice. do not take my word for it, look up Martin Crawthorne, A New Zealand marine scientist whos spent most of his adult life studying whales in the Southern Ocean and read what he has t say about sampling methods in the SO in anything other than flat calm conditions. To say hes critical is an understatement :-)

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@ Disillusioned

So, SS are pirates! What is a good name for the Japanese whalers?

Legal whalers would be a good start :-)

What many Sea shepherd supporters seem to forget is that Sea Shepherd, along with Paul watson, have substantial land holdings in the USA, for example, the Friday harbour headquarters of SSCS . In contempt of court proceedings, such properties are liable for seizure, along with any SSCS assets - why do you think that Watson supposedly tried to resign as President and CEO of SSCS? He`s trying to avoid being held personally liable for the actions of his organisation.

Expect their Tax exempt charitable status to be revoked as the first result of contempt of court proceedings

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@ Disillusioned

FEB. 27, 2013 - 01:14AM JST So, eyeonwarson, it seems you are right up to date with the numbers. Good for you! Japan has always targeted humpback, Fin and Sei whales, but were unable to catch them cos of SS. Ok, so, instead of 10-15,000 more whales in Antarctica it is 5-10,000. Pardon me!

Nope, wrong again,

2002, SS could`nt even find any whaling ships and from 2002 to 2006, they were nowhere near the SO.

They more or less started in the 2005 / 2006 season

You have a calculator and the figures are above :- ) work it out.

Incidentally, I didn`t include coastal and North pacific figures either.

Japan has always targeted humpback whales.

Nope, no humpbacks taken commercially since 1966 - Japan has a SC permit quota of 50, but they have never used it. Keep trying, you`ll figure it out yet :-)

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@ Disillusioned

The Target is 850 minkies +/- 10%. 50 fin, 50 humpbacks. Humpbacks have not been taken. Nothing else has been taken in the SO, but if you have any proof otherwise, please show us.

SS has reduced their yearly total to less than 200 per year for over ten years. Pretty simple really. Do you need a calculator?

Nope, but It seems you do

Japanese SO catches the last 10 years:

2003 = 443, 2004 = 441, 2005 = 866, 2006 = 511, 2007 = 551, 2008 = 681, 2009 = 508, 2010 = 173, 2011 = 267, 2012 = ongoing

Pretty simple really :-)

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@ SamuraiBlue

Target catch is usually 850 minkies, +/ - 10%

@ MasterBape

Saying that, all the best to Sea Shepherd and another successful campaign.

Meanwhile, Norway and Iceland will take around 6 - 800 minkies in a true commercial hunt

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@wtfjapan FEB. 26, 2013 - 11:49AM JST Why anybody would want to eat that fatty mercury laden meat is beyond me.

A couple of reasons, one, its rather tasty. Two, it´s free of antibiotics and growth hormone and all the other crap that often comes from factory farming. Three, the meat comes from an animal that lives its life free and wild, up until the moment it`s harvested.

And lastly, four, I throw another whale steak on the barbie every time Watson and Sea Shepherd gets caught out in yet another lie. Keep it up Watson, I`m feeling peckish :-)

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AriesKJJFEB. 26, 2013 - 01:45PM JST

The answer is 'NO!' You cannot kill whales in international waters.

But Sea shepherd says they are in Australian waters .. ummmmm, either you are a tad confused or sea shepherd are a tad confused. Then again, most likely is that you are both extremely confused :-)

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Posted in: Sea Shepherd says Japanese whalers rammed two of its ships See in context

Yep, getting into classic status now :-)

Anti-whaling activists are alarmed at the Japanese military presence in Australian Antarctic waters, saying they are there to assist in the "bloody slaughter of a protected species". A 12,500-tonne military icebreaker, the Shirase, has been sent to where a Japanese factory ship and fuel tanker is located.

The Shirase, operated by the Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force, has appeared near whalers and Sea Shepherd activists 50 nautical miles off the coast of the territory, the group said. Sea Shepherd representatives believe the military presence is to bolster Japan's whaling fleet in the conflict with Sea Shepherd off the Australian Antarctic Territory.

Even better,

"They're heavily armed helicopters," Mr Watson told News Limited from the Steve Irwin, one of three Sea Shepherd boats in the area.

"They carry three of these big helicopters.

ROFLMAO, funnee ....

Especially when you read this :

The Japanese Government had no immediate comment on the Shirase's use but an informed Australian source said the Shirase was scheduled to be in the region conducting Antarctic scientific work off nearby Cape Darnley. While the activity would include working on ocean moorings, which are used to collect oceanographic data, Sea Shepherd representatives say this is a cover.

I laughed so hard that I thought for a minute I`d pee myself :-)

Thereally funny part is that sea shepherd supporters probably believe this as gospel :-)

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Posted in: Sea Shepherd says Japanese whalers rammed two of its ships See in context

On another note :

On the subject of irrationality, it tickled me that the whalers ordered the SS Australian-registered ships to leave the Australian Antarctic Territory.

It`s not Australian territory or EEZ. I suggest reading up in Article four of the Antarctic treaty. Even Australia admits they are not going to attempt to enforce any EEZ claims as long as the ATS is in force.

Getting funnier by the minute :-)

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Posted in: Sea Shepherd says Japanese whalers rammed two of its ships See in context

The discussion is about the Nisshin Maru ramming the Bob Barker and why. Loss of perks is an obvious reason for 'road rage' on the part of the whalers. Or are you suggesting that the Government of Japan phoned down to the captain of the NM and told him to ram, ram, ram?

Loss of perks? damn thats pretty funny even fornormalSSCS claims. I rather suspect SSCS USA will be losing many of theirperks quite shortly once contempt of court proceedings get under way` and rightly so.

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