girl_in_tokyo comments

YubaruSep. 17 06:35 pm JST

IF she send nude pictures of herself to the guy, she is ALSO guilty of the child porn law. Sure he is guilty, but SHE is not without blame according to the law.

Taking selfies of yourself isn't child porn. Child porn is when an adult exploits a child. Since it is impossible to exploit yourself it's not child porn. This argument is ridiculous. JMFC.

ッチToday  01:52 pm JST

Girl_in_tokyo they are children

Yes. Which is why we can forgive her for perhaps being too naive and not having good judgment in who she can trust.

And why we should be alarmed at a young man planning out ways to rape women.

and frankly any girl or woman sending nudes to a man or boy should expect them to be share on the internet.

What do you mean? That women who share nude photos with a man who turns out to be a not to be trusted and a horrible person deserve to be punished by having their photos put online?

Or do you mean that women should be very careful about sharing nude photos with men because there are men in the world who are horrible people?

I’m sick of these I’m the victim. She took part. *

Ah. You mean she deserves to be punished for her poor judgment and naïveté by having her phots shared and being threatened with rape. Got it.

This isn’t the west thank goodness. The west has gotten totally insane on ruining children’s lives over nonsense. Maybe we can arrest her for sending child porn thru the internet. That’s what she did sending her nudes out. If this was the west persons that would be a crime also. She isn’t innocent.

She is a child, as you pointed out. But you would punish her severely for having poor judgment and naïveté, yet give the boy a slap on the wrist for planning a rape.

How do you logically justify that, other than by admitting that you think women should not be sexual and should never express their sexuality.

Hm. But where does that leave men? It seems to me that oppressing women and punishing them for being sexual human beings is shooting your self in the foot.

On one hand, men continually complain that their girlfriends or wives aren’t giving them enough sex, and the on the other they want to oppress female sexuality and frighten them into repressing themselves, and teach them to be afraid of sex and be afraid of men..

You can’t have both.

Trump is such a big baby. Using his platform to hate on a celebrity just because she endorsed the other candidate is hugely petty. If he can't stand on his own two feet and get elected on his own merit, he should just stand down right now. I can't express just how incredibly not normal it is for a so-called "presidential" candidate to behave the way he has behaved.

リッチToday 07:12 am JST

This doesn’t need the drama of national news and being arrested and charged but some parental interventions and possibly some psychiatric assistance. The girl clearly was involved with arousing him and appears to be just childish attempt to manipulate her just like she probably was manipulating him. An innocent girl wouldn’t be sharing photos that couldn’t be posted without some dubious intentions herself.

It doesn't matter if she sent him pictures of herself or not - he's the one who committed a crime, and planned out a way he could rape her. Yes, rape her - coercion is forced sex, and forced sex is rape.

You are reaching for a way to downplay rape and to blame the victim.

tamanegiSep. 6 04:25 pm JST

I hope foreign female tourists are made aware of these crimes and to be on guard for male Japanese perverts and molesters. It's a much, much bigger problem than what is reported.

This.

It is much more of a problem than is reported, since police sources say only 4% of sex crimes are reported.

The media only touches the surface with stories like this one. I can't count the number of times I've been followed, verbally harassed, groped, and twice someone took the hem of my skirt and tucked it into my waistband when I was on the train.

When I have troubled myself to report these crimes, the police most often don't respond at all. Once when a group of four guys were following my friend and I and verbally harassing us, the police at the koban only told us "don't be out so late" in a patronizing manner and said nothing to the men harassing me, even though they were standing right there and I had pointed them out.

Another time the office refused to come with us so that we could point out the tout on the street who had grabbed and then shoved my friend because she refused to go into the bar he was wanting to guide us into.

And so on ... it's always the same apathy, lack of empathy, and inaction from the cops - this is why women don't report!

The police most often just don't care, the news outlets only publish a bare number of the stories out there, court sentences are weak and they most often wind up with a suspended sentence, and so the men in this country (of all nationalities) continue getting away with sex crimes.

Four separate posts (two examples below) are berating this teenage girl because she didn't yell, scream, or fight back.

It is pretty clear that you don't know anything about how being groped or assaulted can effect you. Women often panic, shut down, and freeze - this is such a common response that it even has a name (tonic immobility), and psychologists have long noted and written about it in journals and countless articles have been published, e.g., https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-trauma/201805/why-women-freeze-during-sexual-assault

Yet we still get comments like these, which tacitly blame the victim for not reacting in a way that the writer imagines he himself would react. Yes, he/himself, because on this site at least, it's most often men who make such comments.

You should all be ashamed. Then you should apologize, retract your comments, read up on this and educate yourselves, and never speak like this ever again.

Asiaman7Aug. 30 05:59 pm JST

Not defending this troubled fellow’s actions, but the victim, a high school student, could have and should have stepped off the train.

didou Aug. 30 06:41 pm JST

The girl was certainly scared, but in a packed train, the girl could have easily complained to other passengers or scream to stop this quickly. Easy to say but…

falseflagsteveAug. 21 09:27 am JST

Girl in Tokyo

Safe in comparison for everyone except wimmin as you state who complain about things that happened in their imagination usually.

Yes, sexual assault is all in womens' collective imagination. Righto-steve-o.

Also I noticed I got more downvotes for my comment than steve-o did for his. It seems the number of people who disbelieve in sexual assault and love to call women liars is still way higher on this page than the number of people who know sexual assault is a huge issue in Japan.

Japan is a very safety country for wimmin.

Jonathan PrinToday 09:05 am JST

Victim blaming and accusations of women lying about sexual assault are just disgusting.

It was probably consensual until he did not pay and tied her up.

Even sex workers are raped. If she said no, it was rape no matter what her job is.

This is just more of the same ol' racism that presents all crime in Japan being perpetrated by non-Japanese, even though Japanese are doing the exact same things all the time.

I was at the beach yesterday and the place was chock-full of "meiwaku nihonjin" including two guys drinking chu-hai on the train, guys sexually harassing women, guys grabbing one another and play-fighting and knocking down little kids, and more.

This kind of thing has been happening since the first non-Japanese stepped foot in Japan, and it's not only tiring it's just plain BORING.

In other words, this really isn't new, nor is it news.

Rape is one of the most difficult crimes to prosecute so this should not be a surprise.

To the people who always make the assumption that women lie about sexual assault while at the same time not doubting the man's denials: you're part of the problem. Just because there isn't enough evidence to prosecute does not mean the woman lied.

But some lawmakers in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party oppose changing the system on the grounds that they cherish traditional family values, viewing the concept of marriage as an arrangement involving families rather than individuals.

Why can't it be both?

You can be a family and have your own individuality at the same time.

This mindset is why the birth rate is falling.

Downplaying sexual assault and suggesting the victim doesn't need to feel traumatized in order to help the perpetrator evade justice is misogyny.

SwissToniToday 03:50 pm JST

girl-in-Tokyo, you’ve made your agenda clear, more than one repeat constitutes nagging. Nobody has said the girl is accountable at any level.

Nobody? Look back at the comments. More than one person has suggested the girl has accountability.

The point you avoid is proportionality.

I'm not responsible for handing out sentencing, nor am I arguing in favor of any sentencing that has been suggested here, so I have no idea why you are bringing this up to me.

The allegation is an unwanted kiss on the cheek. As unpleasant as I’m sure it was, if the girl is as level headed as most, I’m sure she’ll get over it in pretty short order.

There is no context in which it is in any way okay for a man to touch a woman without her consent. I am not sure what it is that people don't seem to understand about that, but for some reason people keep trying to downplay the man's actions and insist that it is not a big deal.

I also don't think men, especially men who have never experienced sexual assault by a man, have any business speaking for the victim. You can't know how she might feel, so to attempt to minimize any possible effects is not only completely out of order it also smacks of misogyny.

Even if the man is released without charge and the case doesn’t go to court, the perpetrators life is now likely wrecked.

If that happens, then he is the only one to blame for that as it is his actions that brought him here.

SwissToniToday 12:02 am JST

girl-in-tokyo, if you’d said there’s no context in which a person may touch another without their consent, you might have made a better point. But you’ve made your agenda clear and diluted your argument.

My agenda is to point out that there is no context in which a man may touch a woman without her consent.

The context under discussion is about the level of accountability the man should face, and this should be in proportion to the harm done. Even without court and a fine, the man could lose his job and make getting another very difficult. That’ll change the rest of his life. That isn’t a proportionate punishment.

The girl has no accountability as she was assaulted.

The man has all the accountability.

If he loses his job due to this arrest, then it is his own fault. He is fully responsible for his actions.

Kazuaki ShimazakiJuly 29 05:53 pm JST

Things do change when you up the ante from "not good" to "criminal".

What do you not understand about "there is no context in which a man may touch a woman without her consent"?

It is criminal to do so, and the man must be held to account for his criminal action.

What happened to that girl is not a joke, is not funny, and the police were right to treat it as indecent assault.

I'm unsurprised to see so many comments downplaying this man's actions and making excuses for it. As virusrex pointed out (and as I have said many times) this comment section has become a cesspool of misogynistic comments promoting victim blaming and rape culture:

SwissToniToday 03:39 pm JST

Inappropriate behaviour for sure but arrest for indecent assault is an overreaction. Unless the girl was in her very early teens in which case the man might need to be on a watchlist. Context is everything.

There is no context where any man can kiss any woman who is a stranger to him on the cheek nonconsensually.

I don't understand how the concept that men don't get to touch women without consent is so hard to understand.

Jonathan PrinToday 02:14 pm JST

The persons to show off about how they respect so much women's consent are the ones to be suspicious.

Women can easily tell the difference between someone who is only feigning respect, and someone who walks the walk. It is not that hard.

Never said in any comment in my life that consent shall not be always respected.

No, but you freely victim-blame and accuse women of lying, even while pointing out that we don't know all the facts.

Saying the woman might be lying is just as bad as assuming the man is guilty. Get that through your head, mate.

Bow wifeJuly 18 06:54 pm JST

Yes, luckily, such men are in the minority around the world.

But are the majority of men on this site. It's improving though, because there seem to be more posters taking notice of the misogynistic vibe and pushing back on those posts.

I wouldn't say it's ignorance or a lack of intelligence but rather the effects of misogynistic influencers such as Andrew Tate and Trump.

It's lack of empathy which to me also indicates a lack of emotional intelligence. Just because someone is educated doesn't mean they are smart.

Perhaps we can help them better appreciate the harmful realities of sexual assault and the trauma the very few women who do report such crimes face.

I've been trying for a few years now, but exactly none of these guys have changed. They don't want to change. They don't want to listen. In fact, they rarely even engage with the people pushing back. They just cowardly hit the downvote button and slink away.

Jonathan PrinToday 12:47 pm JST

In fact no one knows

When money is involved, anything can happen.

When does consent start and when does it end ?

When she says "no."

Yes, it's THAT easy.

I don't see how you could not know that.

Maybe you need to stay away from women.

carpslidyToday 09:32 am JST

I am sorry but do you know what a love hotel is?

It was not a love hotel. It was a hotel that the men were staying in while playing an away game. It's very normal for people to invite friends back to their hotel room. It's not advisable for women to do this on their own, but then again, it's also normal to trust that every man you meet isn't going to rape you.

The woman wasn't going there to play some late night uno.

I counter this with "the guys invited her to the hotel with the express purpose to rape her." Now, who should we lay blame on? A woman who is maybe a bit naive, or men who went out looking for women to rape?

I would of course be furious at the creeps who did this, but also ashamed as a parent that I've brought up a daughter who thinks it's OK to go to a love hotel with three guys.

I hope to god you don't have a daughter, because if anything like this happened to her, your comments on the matter would worsen it by 1,000 times. You are a terrible mother and a bad human being.

falseflagsteveToday 05:42 am JST

Ive had drunk twats try and start fights with me here, women don’t get that BS.

Yes we do. There is a phenomena where salarymen seek out women to purposefully shoulder-check and/or push/shove them to the ground because they think women won't/can't fight back. I have witnessed women being thrown to the ground and hurt.

Then there are the touts who follow women grabbing their arm and trying to pull them into bars or clubs, and solicit women for work in the sex business. They often get upset/angry/violent when women say no and use womens' fear of male violence to bully them into saying yes.

My friend and I had to step in to help a girl who was being followed by three guys in Shibuya. One of the guys wanted to fight us when we intervened, and it was lucky that his friends stopped him.

Besides that, why are you even comparing apples and oranges? Men getting into drunken arguments with one another is no way similar to women being violently sexually assaulted or physically attacked by men.

Granted not often but 3 or 4 times I’ve had that in 23 years. Don’t go on about it, you get nutters in life who do bad things to men and women.

Three or four times in 23 years. Interesting.

I can't even count the number of times I've been grabbed, groped, followed, verbally harassed or men just being mean and insulting to me because they have an inherent need to make women feel afraid.

"Don't go on about it" - why should I stay silent? This sounds like you have a vested interest in keeping women quiet so that you can continue to blithely ignore what we go through.

Japan is safe in fact very safe compared to most nations.

Such comparisons are completley invalid - we don't live in "most nations"; we live in Tokyo. Again, it sounds to me like you just want women in Japan to stay silent about their experiences so that you don't have to hear it or care.

women and men here are in a very privileged place compared to most worldwide, can’t see much to complain about myself.

You don't see much to complain about because you encourage women to shut up and not talk about the things that happen to them. You don't see women's issues as important or worthy of discussion. Thus:

Not rethinking my post, position stays the same.

Of course your position will stay the same, because you don't give a damn about women.

I'm also not replying to change your mind. I'm replying because you make it very very easy to show people exactly how men like you think, and how little they really care about and how easily they dismiss violence against women as unimportant.

And believe me - the women you meet also see that, so you can fully expect them to see you as a potential threat. I will bet you anything that among your friend group the women see you as "that guy" - the one they warn other the women about.

falseflagsteveJuly 15 11:22 pm JST

Japan is a safe country for men and women, it’s false to say otherwise.

Every woman I know has experienced some kind of sexual assault in Japan, from stalking to groping to rape. And some have experienced physical assault, e.g., I was shoved by a Japanese man on the train platform, and another girl I know was punched in the face.

According to Japanese sex crimes prosecutors and womens' advocacy groups, only 4% of rapes are even reported, and from this article it's pretty clear that train groping is also extremely under reported.

What you're doing here is minimizing the problem and ignoring the fact that Japan has extreme gender power imbalance that contribute to the violence against women.

Re-think your post.

spidersensesToday 07:27 am JST

Mainichi Shimbun (2018) reported that in a Cabinet Office of Japan survey, 70% of women in Japan stated they had experienced groping and molestation while using public transportation.

This number is far more likely to be accurate.

But I don't know a single woman who hasn't been groped, either on the train or on the street, in a bar, or somewhere else.

All the women I know have experienced some form of sexual assault.

Jonathan PrinToday 07:17 am JST

If she accepts money, she has accepted the harassment.

I don't see the point.

Please harass me !!!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you've never actually experienced harassment, because if you had, you wouldn't be taking it so lightly. I know having empathy in a situation you have never experienced is difficult, but at the very least you could refrain from making flippant comments.

falseflagsteve Today 06:22 am JST

Usual, claptrap banging in about poor women. I agree with the surname thing, but daft that really isn’t it. Abortion one is complicated and one I am not qualified enough really. Though I don’t like abortions, thoigh they are a necessary evil in some cases. Making it too easy to access including morning after pills encourages promiscuous behaviour and adultery.

Try minding your own business and not being a moralizing douchecanoe.

owzerToday  04:25 pm JS

Who was blaming her?

*Some have expressed that she made bad choices, **but that the guy was in the wrong.*

You just defined it right there, so you can stop pretending you don’t know what it is.

With this, Japan has forfeited their right to make fun of American food and British food. It's possibly the most disgusting greasiest nastiest thing I've seen, and I've seen a lot of bad food.

You guys really need to knock off the victim blaming and the victim shaming.

A woman was raped and robbed. None of that is her fault.

It's about time someone got a real sentence for rape.

And by the time he gets out, it's unlikely even Viagra would help him. No sex for him ever again in his life, except with himself, is justice.