And just last week the sign-holding protesters were against the pact. How fickle some can be!
@Yubaru - Maybe the protestors pictured above are a different group from those who opposed the pact?
Maybe different individuals have different opinions? Or do you think all South Koreans must have one unified stance on every topic?
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Pity South Korean youth have been brainwashed with a deep-rooted anti-Japanese sentiment.
@Hokkaido - Pity that Japanese youths have been brainwashed for decades that they were trying to defend Asia from Western aggression, and that they were the victims not the aggressors.
Japan has less press freedom than SK and more authoritarian control over their citizens who rarely voice their disagreement to their government, one that has essentially become a single party ruled state.
Those youths are now middle-aged, scratching their heads as to why they still don't get along with their neighbours.
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How good is the air con in the stadium?
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stressing that the health risk to humans would be "significantly small."
Err... so what does that mean? Will the health risks be significant, or will it be small?
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2019 or 1919?
What a time warp Japan can be sometimes.
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and South Korea? Interesting that Chang-Ran Kim didn't mention the case of the a renowned professor of sociology at South Korea’s prestigious Yonsei University has come under criminal investigation by Seoul police after a civil society group filed a complaint that he allegedly spread false information, by referring to Korean women sex slaves during the Second World War as ‘prostitutes’ during a university lecture.
@alwaysspeaking - You and a few other accounts post this a lot, but the article is about freedom of expression in Japan, not South Korea.
Deflecting criticism by saying "but what about xxx" is called whataboutery and not at all a constructive way to have a debate.
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The people who live on that island literally only live there so South Korea can lay claim to the land since they're "using it". Looks like this stupid scheme is starting to have causalities.
@Madden - "The helicopter had picked up an injured crab fisherman before it crashed late Thursday".
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The fake hype by the media for this act is overboard. It's a niche genre in the west made even more niche by their limited appeal. But I guess in this bot-driven click bait dependent world of internet hype it's to be expected.
That sounds identical to every old person ever, when lamenting the music enjoyed by a younger generation.
The allegation of bot-driven fake hype is an interesting one. Is there any proof? The 90K fans at a sold out Wembley certainly were real.
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To each his or her own! If Korean's want to drink their own "beer" (if you want to call it that) fine, leave more for us here!
Nope. Koreans who were drinking Japanese beer are now simply drinking German/American/Australian beers.
There must have been a lot of them too, as a breathtaking 70% of all Japanese beer exports worldwide were shipped to South Korea.
Korea accounted for 70 percent of Japan's beer exports in 2018.
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New MLB record: no home wins yet for the first 6 games of the World Series
I'll be watching just to see if we get to see the first ever world series with 7 home defeats. Go the Nats!
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I really feel you. No matter how many times we’ve explained to them, they’ll just ignore and repeat the same things over and over (China case is this, Germany did that, Russia said that, etc etc) to deflect the point of argument.
@tic - Kind of like all the Japan supporters here.
Evidence shows that up until the 1990s even the Japanese government agreed that the individual rights to compensation were not extinguished by the 1965 treaty.
Even showchim above agrees, but he claims the individuals should claim compensation from the SK government. That's when it becomes his personal wish.
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Abe's behavior does not fit into common sense, even if Japanese lawyers say it.
According to the ruling of the Supreme Court of Japan, in April 2007, the court rejected plaintiff's claim in the case of Chinese forced labor, but the right of claim for compensation was not extinguished.
Masato Niimura, a former judge of the Tokyo High Court, also claimed in the February issue of the Japanese monthly magazine Sekai that the original Japanese government had maintained that the individual claims were not extinguished.
Mitsubishi Materials made a reconciliation with Chinese victims to pay 100,000 Yuan per person (about 16.54 million won) to 3,765 victims in two years in relation to the compulsory damages lawsuit filed in Chinese court in 2014 .
The Hanaoka incident was a case in which hundreds of people were murdered after the Chinese who had been forced into the Hanaro Mine in Akita Prefecture in the late Pacific War caused a riot in protest against abuse and discrimination.
In 2000, the Tokyo High Court ruled that Kashimagumi Construction, which was the subject of the assassination, ended up paying 500 million yen to the Chinese Red Cross Society, the victim's agent.
In 1991, the Japanese government consistently stated that individual claims did not disappear, including the response of Yanai's deputy foreign policy chief. The Supreme Court of Japan also made the same judgment in April 2007, when a victim of forced Chinese execution targeted a Japanese company. Although the trial itself was lost, Nishimatsu Construction paid the settlement gold to the victim because the claim was granted. But now, the government is blocking the payment of money by Shin Il-cheol, Mitsubishi. The reason is different from China. The victim's human rights remedy should be the same. He contributed:
What a post. A truth bomb.
Interestingly not refuted by a single Japan supporting poster. No amount of downvotes of inconvenience will change the truth.
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Japan, which says the matter was settled by a 1965 treaty, calls the decision a violation of international law, and the feud has spilled over into trade and security matters.
Not according to ex-PM Yukio Hatoyama
The former prime minister also criticized the Abe administration's position on the 1965 Japan-Korea Treaty. Tokyo has said the issue of compensation for wartime forced laborers was "settled" through the treaty.
Hatoyama said the 1965 treaty does not preclude individuals from filing private claims, citing a 1991 statement from the director of the Japanese foreign ministry's treaties bureau.
In fact, it's only since right-wing Abe came into power that Japan's position was revised.
Hatoyama said that Shunji Yanai, then director of the treaty bureau at Japan's foreign ministry in 1991, told a parliamentary session at the time that the normalization treaty did not put an end to individual rights to damages.
"It was the official view of the Japanese government in the past, that (forced labor issue) was not finally and completely resolved by the treaty," he said.
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You are absolutely right, because World War II obviously didn't happen, and therefore no blood was shed.
@TakCBAL - I must have missed the part where WW2 Japan's fight for democracy, rather than a war to establish a Japanese Empire in Asia Pacific..
Not one drop of blood was shed for Japanese democracy, in contrast to SK where people died for the cause fighting against dictatorships.
That's why Japan has a pseudo-democracy today, compared to SK's real democracy. That must be obvious to all but the most biased and blinded Japanophiles.
Just look at the news about 500 or so people protesting against the government spending money on a Shinto religious ceremony, and what does the authoritarian Japanese government do? Arrest the leaders of the protest.
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The three were arrested on suspicion of obstructing officers from performing their duty after clashing with riot police deployed to the area, the police said.
Straight from the PRC book of how to deal with dissent.
Japan is a pseudo-democracy at best if this kind of small scale protest is quashed by law enforcement.
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I think your estimated cost per person is way to low, perhaps by an order of magnitude. The average price of one bottle of 2011 Corton-Charlemagne (A Grand Cru from Cote de Beaune in France) is 400,000 Yen. Yes 400,000¥ for one (1) bottle.
Great wine choice.....wish I could try that.....
Wow sorry it looks like I actually quoted the price of the much cheaper bottle..!
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A supporter of Japan was saying the cost of the ceremony, while an obscene amount, works out to be the cost of a rice ball per Japanese citizen.
Hope the visitors enjoyed their expensive meals, as I'm sure the Japanese public are more than happy to forego their rice ball for the aristocracy to enjoy their washoku, washed down with the excellent 2007 vintage Chateau Margaux.
What is that wine you say?
Just some fermented grape juice, only costs about ¥ 100,000 per bottle, three months worth of groceries for some families.
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Not sure you can even call South Korea a democracy as it never really was one in the first place.
@Gaijinland - that's ironic, because Japan is a pseudo-democracy at best, and SK is actually one of the better functioning democracies in the world.
Difference is Koreans had to fight for democracy, and many paid for it with their lives in their battles against dictatorship in the 1970s and 1980s.
Japan on the other hand, had democracy forced upon them by their masters USA. They didn't shed a drop of blood for it. The result is a passive, almost submissive population who do not question or fight the status quo. Corruption by politicians including Shinzo-kun is only questioned by the opposition party, not the people of Japan who shrug their shoulders at the corruption scandals.
Compare that with Koreans who overthrew a government 2 years ago with months of peaceful democratic protests.
Can you call South Korea a democracy? One hundred percent yes.
Japan? Not so much.
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Look at them throwing their hands up in worship.. is this Japan or North Korea? The two countries are more alike than many would admit.
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The ¥16.3 billion cost works out at ¥125 per national. Cost of a rice ball.
@zichi - Oh really? Is that all? I guess what's 16.3 billion Yen when Japan's national debt is 2.5x its GDP?
Tourists are attracted to visit the places of the imperial family.
Buckingham Palace and the British Royals are a huge drawcard for tourism to the UK. Estimates put their annual economic contribution to the UK at over £1bn.
Can't say the same for the Japanese 'emperor'.
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Koreans are an interesting bunch. A few years ago, their then president Park Geun-hye allowed us to put up the THAAD batteries on the South Korean soil. Beijing was not happy.
What transpired is classical Korean cowardice. Several of their businesses were expropriated or outright shut down by the no-nonsense Chinese! Korean response? Not a peep! Koreans are, as always, too scared to whine against their mighty Chinese overlords!
@Mwafrika - It was the Chinese boycotting Korean goods in response to Korea setting up a missile defence system. What response do you want from Korea? Cry out 'waaaaa how dare the Chinese stop buying our products'?
By your logic, Japan not responding to Koreans boycotting Japanese goods makes Japan too scared to whine?
Korean response to Chinese boycott is the same as the Japanese response to a Korean boycott, which is basically not much, as not much can be done.
So you got your logic a bit twisted, didn't you mate?
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Given the recent beef between Japan and Korea, the 'I can't remember what happened 80 years ago' line for the SK version as opposed to 'I can't remember that long ago' for all other markets seems a bit suss.
Either deliberate, or a very unfortunate mistake.
Either way, SK is actually Uniqlo's 2nd largest overseas market with something crazy like 158 stores (compared to about 50 in the whole of USA), and they keep putting their foot wrong in such an important market.
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his duty as symbol of the state
Enjoy paying for all of this people of Japan.
Also it's 2019.
At least the British Royal family makes money for the UK, in tourist dollars. Do many people visit Japan because of the Japanese emperor? I think not.
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The problem with the Yasukuni is where do we draw the line between free speech and revisionism.
It's never easy, but free speech should be a right. So should the right to speak out against those who use free speech in an attempt at revisionism. So far both parties are exercising their rights.
But I wish all the politicians would stop but they are not breaking any laws.
Neither is denying any of the war crimes took place. In Germany it is illegal but in Japan it seems to win you a seat in government. To me Japan missed an opportunity here. It is 2019 and Japan is still seen by many as a country that has not come to terms with its past. The undertones of revisionism, a desire to view Japan's past in a new, more positive light, is prevalent in Japanese politics.
None of the Japanese war criminals with "Kami" at Yasukuni Shrine were found guilty of any war crimes against any Koreans.
I doubt they were even looking to see what crimes were committed against Koreans.
What of the Korean war criminals?
If you follow the reasoning of some of the pro-Japan posters on JT, the 'Korean war criminals' were actually Japanese. That's not my position however.
There are no actual war criminals at the Yasukuni Shrine. Names are written onto paper which turns to dust. The whole show is a fake based on the beliefs of the Shinto religion which is only followed by 70% of the Japanese.
Agreed. You could say it's really just a superstition. But it is also a symbol, just as a mausoleum is nothing more than a pile of bricks, but its symbolism makes it much greater.
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If war criminals were removed the politicians would dry up pretty fast at yasukuni.
@GW - Absolutely true.
It's the reason why these same attention seeking RWNJ pollies don't visit Chidorigafuchi to pay their respects.
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Japan did not draft ethnic Koreans into its military until 1944 when the tide of WW II turned against it.
That is interesting, I didn't know. Thank you.
Until 1944, enlistment in the Imperial Japanese Army by ethnic Koreans was voluntary
So around 1944 it became involuntary.
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I'd volunteer too with a gun at the back of my head.
@Cricky - if you believe Japanese revisionists including the mayor of Nagoya, all 'comfort women' were willing volunteers too.
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Tens of thousands of Koreans volunteered to join the army.
@zichi - source? Or is this simply your opinion?
Germany does not honor its war criminals and they have many. Other countries like Germany and Britain, for instance don't enshrine the names of their war criminals on memorials to the war fallen. We just don't honor them. German war criminals were cremated or placed in secret graves to avoid any form of worship.
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Yasukuni is a symbol of far-right revisionism, whether pro-Japanese posters like it or not.
And no, it's not just Koreans who share this view:
The posts in question have now been taken down, but not before the British ambassador to Japan intervened, according to the Times, which first reported the story.
“It was very, very naive,” Commander Arty Shaw, who organized the visit, told the Times. “The ambassador had a word or two, so we’ve been told not to visit any more shrines, just in case.”
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