Heda_Madness comments

MOVE OUT THERE, and THEN I will listen to what you have to say.

This lady did. But you won't listen to her because she's hugely critical of what you have to say <//www.huffingtonpost.jp/claire-leppold/fukushima-and-the-art-of-knowing-en_b_10537440.html

Interesting link though not one I'd use to form an opinion on without any scientific evidence/facts etc. Not to mention one that uses the language of a junior high school textbook. But as I said, I don't have enough information to comment on mutations, the extent of them or the impact. But we do know the official death toll into Chernobyl from the UN put the predicted number of deaths at 4000

Also interesting that you both seem to disagree with the new scientist article.

Sorry... but what I said about the animals is a fact. And can be found on any decent scientific website... National Geographic, IFLS and newscientist etc.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28281-wildlife-is-thriving-around-chernobyl-since-the-people-left/

In fact New Scientist even uses the phrase that you've taken exception to... that the animals are THRIVING

I didn't mention the 'extreme mutations' of human life because I don't have sufficient information to comment. Though I do know that the initial and expected figures of cancers etc were proven to be well and truly incorrect.

So this was done in order to combat the news of extraordinarily high reading inside the plant from a month ago? "Calm down people, live life as normal."

Absolutely. As Safecast reported at the time - it does not mean that levels there are rising, but that a previously unmeasurable high-radiation area has finally been measured. They also said Safecast’s own measurements, including our Pointcast realtime detector system have shown radiation levels near Daiichi to be steadily declining

Alfie, from the very same article

Fukushima Medical University, the main academic body studying the health effects of the nuclear disaster, says no sickness linked to radiation has been detected so far, although sickness from lack of exercise, poor diet and mental stress has been observed.

So many different experts from so many different areas are saying exactly the same thing.

Well, Japanese doctors....

Yes, it's only Japanese doctors saying it isn't it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/claire-leppold/fukushima-and-the-art-of-knowing-en_b_10537440.html

Bunch of idiot doctors... that's all I will say...

Idiot doctors... idiot international doctors... idiot international experts...

Yup, those specialists just don't have a clue do they?

Animals are thriving in Chernobyl. It seems that man is far worse for them than radiation.

No sure of your point... Safecast who have been independently reporting on Fukushima since day one have said that radiation outside of the plant keeps falling. This is higher because it's in an area that's never been tested before. Is it higher than Chernobyl? Probably given that Chernobyl was a mass explosion that spewed massive amounts of radioactive across a huge area causing such contamination that numerous foodstuffs were banned across multiple countries. Which of course is substantially different to what happened at a Fukushima but I'm sure you knew that already.

Though as you don't use fatalities as a reason to define safe... it's no surprise that you keep banging on about how bad this is.

I'm not doing anything other than merely repeating what Safecast reported.

Because it was in an area that hadn't been accessible before. It's not that difficult to understand.

You notice how much this has been watered down, if it even appears, in the Japanese media? In international media it's been reported for days that the levels have spiked to way beyond anything that came out of Chernobyl and that any exposure by a person to this much radiation for even a minute would have them dead in a week. Not even the robots can hack it, and they don't know where the fuel is or what to do. No news on that, though -- all is 'under control' after all.

Radiation in this area has not been measured before, and it was expected to be extremely high. While 530 Sv/hr is the highest measured so far at Fukushima Daiichi, it does not mean that levels there are rising, but that a previously unmeasurable high-radiation area has finally been measured.

Radiation levels near Daiichi have proven to be steadily declining.

TEPCO officials said that despite the dangerously high figures, radiation is not leaking outside of the reactor.

Oh, yes! And, we believe this because....?????

It seems that Abe's statement to the IOC, "It's under control" was a straight up lit!

Radiation in this area has not been measured before, and it was expected to be extremely high. While 530 Sv/hr is the highest measured so far at Fukushima Daiichi, it does not mean that levels there are rising, but that a previously unmeasurable high-radiation area has finally been measured.

Radiation levels near Daiichi to be steadily declining.

Well clearly your father didn't write FAQs: Fukushima Five Years On, taken from the WHO website and let me repeat the quotes again:

There were no acute radiation injuries or deaths among the workers or the public due to exposure to radiation resulting from the FDNPS accident. - source WHO

Considering the level of estimated doses, the lifetime radiation-induced cancer risks other than thyroid are small and much smaller than the lifetime baseline cancer risks. Regarding the risk of thyroid cancer in exposed infants and children, the level of risk is uncertain since it is difficult to verify thyroid dose estimates by direct measurements of radiation exposure. - source WHO

goo.gl/yrjZHQ

Again may I suggest you read this. http://m.huffpost.com/jp/entry/10537440

That RIDICULOUS comment came from the WHO website with the FAQs on Fukushima.

I don't think there's any point in discussing further when you are so blinkered as to avoid science

The link you posted from 2015 was a copy of an article from 2011. Click the author's name. It points to the original article.

Some have died

This is a false statement

On the other hand: http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/a_e/fukushima/faqs-fukushima/en/

There were no acute radiation injuries or deaths among the workers or the public due to exposure to radiation resulting from the FDNPS accident.

Considering the level of estimated doses, the lifetime radiation-induced cancer risks other than thyroid are small and much smaller than the lifetime baseline cancer risks. Regarding the risk of thyroid cancer in exposed infants and children, the level of risk is uncertain since it is difficult to verify thyroid dose estimates by direct measurements of radiation exposure.

For the twelve workers who were estimated to have received the highest absorbed radiation doses to the thyroid, an increased risk of developing thyroid cancer and other thyroid disorders was estimated. About 160 additional workers who received whole body effective doses estimated to be over 100 mSv, an increased risk of cancer could be expected in the future although it will not be detectable by epidemiological studies because of the difficulty of confirming a small incidence against the normal statistical fluctuations in cancer incidence.

From a global health perspective, the health risks directly related to radiation exposure are low in Japan and extremely low in neighbouring countries and the rest of the world.

“It is unlikely to be able to attribute any health effects in the future among the general public and the vast majority of workers from exposure to radiation following the leaks and explosions at the earthquake-damaged power plant in March of 2011.” UNSCEAR

World Health Organization said, "the predicted risks are low and no observable increases in cancer rates above baseline rates are anticipated"

And yes people did die in the evacuation. An unnecessary evacuation.

http://m.huffpost.com/jp/entry/10537440

Never heard of the Fukushima fifty?

I have. They were a group of workers, well in excess of fifty, who worked in shifts during the height of the crisis. Not dead though.

Nobody's died from Fukushima. Few will. Science. None of your claims have been backed up by facts.

UNSCEAR, WHO all stated the above. Proven by science.

But obviously you don't believe in facts. You don't believe in science. Your links go back to 2011 - nothing recent. Because it's all been disproven by science.

I'm sorry, you're using an article from March 2011 to prove your argument? Wow.

Nobody's died from Fukushima. Few will. Science.

Browny1... just read the link posted where the US scientific advisers to president Obama came to that conclusion.

Ally - how many have died in Fukushima? How many in Chernobyl How much environmental damage from Fukushima and how many from Chernobyl.

Chernobyl was the worst nuclear disaster. And yet now we know that man is more damaging to the environment than radiatokn

I don't give a flying monkeys whether you believe an inaccurate astrophysicist or not. Plenty of scientists in the article I mentioned the one that concludes that The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence.

The claim you constantly make.

And if you think that pro nuclear supporters (not to be confused with nukes, which is a form of weapon) are the ones who disagree with science. Then you may need to actually spend more time speaking to scientists and not reading websites with claims that Tokyo came VERY close to an evacuation.

But just to follow on... it's science that has been showing that the effects of Fukushima have been well and truly overblown.

No, he's an expert in astrophysics.

And yes the link's still not pasting but hey, it doesn't take an astrophysicist to be able to search slate fukushima new information...

We now know that we came VERY close to a tokyo evacuation, so all those scientists you quoted have no credibility.

And let me quote that final sentence from the article you can't find.

Whatever conclusions people draw about the implications of the accident, the following should be borne in mind: The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence. Furthermore, the falsity of that claim is indicative of the distortions in much of the Fukushima news coverage. That coverage has given rise to baseless fears about Fukushima that have heavily influenced public opinion.

So no, it didn't come very close to evacuation. It didn't even come remotely close to one. Science. It really does have the answers.

The link is here

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/09/fukushima_disaster_new_information_about_worst_case_scenarios.html

What does it prove? That he was making statements that were woefully untrue. That you used him as an expert and that's why I mentioned him. In response to you.

Those scientists were the American Scientists who President Obama asked to investigate. It was American research that determined that Tokyo would come nowhere close to evacuation. Something that was backed by the Chief British Scientist at the time. In fact he went on record as saying the French advice to evacuate Tokyo was not based on Science.

But then there are many who are still determined to come to conclusions that are not based on science.

Anyone who wants to understand more about what happened I recommend going to Youtube and searching for Michio Kaku or Helen Caldicott and Fukushima. Kaku actually gives an incredible account in layman terms in detail as to what happened,

Or alternatively read up on what actually happened. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/09/fukushima_disaster_new_information_about_worst_case_scenarios.html

Kaku, incidentally, during the height of the crisis said that no textbook told you to pump seawater on a reactor. Funny, because 20 years ago when I studied mine did. So I don't know what he's read. But then again, I don't think even he would claim to be a nuclear expert.

I'm willing to bet we would have lost Tokyo.

After days of high-intensity analysis and numerous computer runs, the scientists concluded that radiation in Tokyo would come nowhere close to levels requiring an evacuation, even in the event that Fukushima Dai-ichi underwent the worst plausible meltdown combined with extremely unfavorable wind and weather patterns.

Democracy is such a drag, isn't it.

Indeed. That's why we vote for elected officials to make those decisions.

And Sunderland voted overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit... a perfect example as to why the Brexit vote was far too important to be left to the general public

One person has thyroid cancer linked to a nuclear disaster. One. And a form of cancer that is very survivable if found as early as this. Compare that to the deaths caused by the switch back to fossil fuels... 4/5 years ago experts said few would die as a result of Fukushima and everything that's happened since then proves that. That one worker has thyroid cancer not only proves that but actually screams it from the mountains.

More people have suffered because of stress than radiation. That's a fact.

http://m.huffpost.com/jp/entry/10537440

This is a good article that supports 5Speedracer5 post above

Unfounded ideas have led to suffering, and misinformation is one of the biggest things to overcome for the future of Fukushima.

Been revised to a 6.6 but tsunami warnings in place for the east of the South Island. Must have been huge to have been felt right up to Auckland... even 2011 wasn't felt that far.

Actually, it's been upgraded to a 7.5. I believe the 2011 quake was 'just' a 6.3 so was very localised. This was obviously much stronger especially given the damage in Wellington and as far north as Hamilton.

Smith

We've all seen the ocean maps and the comments by the experts. Guess you haven't

And worse than Chernobyl? Nope not even close but you know that already. Fatalities (or lack of) isn't something you care about is it...

Interesting time to be holding this event when the PMA is being held in the US (Produce Marketing Association) and as the US is one of the biggest markets...

My company is a leading 'agri-tech' manufacturer and does about $40 million in the US and this market share is growing rapidly.