Over 50 countries in the world have marriage equality for polygamous couples.
Interestingly, the vast majority of those countries make homosexuality illegal, and in many it is punishable by death.
I think your analogy needs a little work, Burning Bush.
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The Ancient Romans appeared to have a more liberal attitude towards such matters - but their Civilisation collapsed...
If you look at history, mmwkdw, you will see that the Roman Civilisation was a conservative Christian society in which homosexuality, drinking, and the performing arts were banned for 100 years before it collapsed.
Homosexuality had nothing to do with its decline.
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Give me one reason not to end discrimination for polygamous couples.
Is that something you think should happen, Burning Bush?
Perhaps you'd like to give us one single example of a country where LGBTI couples can legally marry where any of those things you mention has actually happened?
In the Netherlands, LGBTI marriages have been legal for two decades. They don't allow polygamous marriages there so far; why do you think they would?
There are 29 countries where LGBTI people can marry, so:-
which of them have allowed ploygamous marriages as a result of allowing LGBTI marriages?
which of them allow 3 lovers to marry?which of them allow Adults to take minors to love hotels?
Please tell us.
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please explain on what grounds you would deny 3 lovers the right to all marry each other.
They're all adults, all consenting and all in love.
Again; what does that have to do with LGBTI couples being allowed to legally marry?
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But if you identify as an MAP (Minor Attracted Person), that doesn't mean the rule should be changed.
What does that have to do with LGBTI couples being allowed to legally marry?
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Burning Bush; you need to learn the difference between "equality" and "equity".
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Name one thing that I can do that an LGBT person can't.
You can take a business to court if they fire you because of your sexual orientation. I can't.
I can only marry one adult person over 18, that is not my blood relative and who is registered as the opposite gender.
You can legally marry the person you love; I can't.
The laws already apply uniformly and equally to everyone.
Yes they do; and in doing so, they discriminate against LGBTI people, so the laws need to be changed.
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... vowing to hold "careful discussions" without haste.
So .... if the normal processes of these government panels are followed, I guess we can expect a decision on how they're going to go about arranging for the beginning of discussions about forming a committee to debate the idea of considering the proposal to initiate an enquiry into the possibility of investigating whether or not these ideas should be considered formally in about ..... 20 years.
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Perhaps if the LGBTQ crowd would stop blowing their horn every two seconds about "rights" people might take them seriously.
Perhaps if people took the issue of discrimination and Human Rights seriously we wouldn't have to make so much noise about it.
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Just do not call it marriage. How does "civil partnership" sound...?
If it's "exactly the same" as marriage, why not call it marriage?
Giving it a separate name diminishes its value as an acknowledgement of two peoples' commitment to one another. The word 'marriage' is the only word that encompasses everything that goes with such a commitment.
What negative consequences have their been in any country which has allowed LGBT couples to marry?
There is only ONE consequence - more people get married.
What could possibly be wrong with that?
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If it were the same thing, how would you explain extremely high divorce rate between lesbians?
Where did you hear that?
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Therefore marriage equality, as you define it, should also apply to a father who wants to marry his 18 year-old son.
Can you think of a logical reason to deny them the right to do that? Or why people shouldn't be allowed to marry their pets?
This is rubbish and you know it.
All you are doing is trotting out the same tired, old arguments I have heard from frightened conservatives all my adult life; the "then end of the wedge" - which, not unsurprisingly, has NEVER happened in any country that has legalised Same-sex marriage in the two decades that have passed since The Netherlands legalised it.
The fact is that the world is changing and changing for the better when people are offered equality under the law.
You can either accept that, or try to fight it - but you can't stop it.
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Be patient, it is a question of time.
I know - we just have to wait for the conservatives to move on. But at 64 I've been fighting these battles (and hearing the same tired old arguments from the nay-sayers) for well over 40 years now.
I find it hard to comprehend that there are still people in countries like Japan who can't cope with this idea.
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And really, the Lesbians, Gays, bisexuals don’t face that much discrimination anyway.
Having to lie about who you love all the time is actually really tough. You are constantly having to change pronouns in conversation, and the fact that a person can be legally fired from their job or kicked out of their accommodation (yes - it happens) is unacceptable in any socially advanced society.
I remember when the law changed in Australia not that long ago; the difference was noticeable. It sends a message to the whole country - including those conservatives who won't change their minds no matter what - that any kind of discrimination is unacceptable.
I always ask those who want to know why the law should be changed to substitute the word "Jew" or "Black" for "Gay" and see if they still feel as comfortable saying those people shouldn't be allowed to marry.
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A brother who loves his sister.
Incest between heterosexuals has been shown to significantly increase the likelihood of genetic defects in their offspring.
A 40 year-old man who loves a 15 year-old girl.
That one is so obvious I wonder why you bothered to include it.
A man who loves a mentally handicapped girl.
As you said - the law applies to those with mental health issues - such as unreasonable fear of people who don't cause society any harm.
On what grounds are you continuing to say that legal-age Japanese citizens should be denied the same rights to marry the person they love as most other legal-age Japanese citizens?
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A citizen can't marry a person of the same gender, their relative, mentally unfit and under 18.
The law applies equally to all persons.
A LGBT person can't marry the person they love (who is not their relative, mentally unfit, or under 18) and want to spend the rest of their life with.
A heterosexual person can.
The law does NOT apply equally to all persons.
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I can't think of one thing that I legally can do that an LGBT person can't.
Then you haven't been paying attention. I am legally married in my home country (NZ) and my adopted country (Australia), but not in the country I am living in and that my husband is a citizen of - Japan.
As soon as I step through immigration, I am suddenly a single person.
I can't apply for a spousal Visa because my totally legal marriage, which is recognised in an increasing number of countries, is not recognised here.
Other Japanese citizens legally married (to opposite sex spouses) in other countries are allowed to apply for a spousal visa - why can't I? My marriage is legal in the country in which it occurred, as are theirs. The Japanese Government even formally approved of our marriage, as per Japanese law - yet the Government here refuses to acknowledge it once we are actually in the country.
As you see - the law does NOT apply equally to all persons.
What I would like to know is what are all those conservative who oppose Marriage Equality so afraid of?
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It's just laziness and lack of manners.
I lived in Australia until recently, where this sort of behaviour is more common than in Japan. People generally dump their lunch trash almost anywhere; they even leave it on the seats in trains.
It's just too much like hard work for them to carry it to a trash can, even if there is one right next to the bench they are sitting on!
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I'm wondering how long the public release will take and who will have access to vaccinations when it does.
I am a foreign resident working in English Language schools where I regularly come into close contact with my clients. The physical situation of many of my classes is custom-made for spreading viruses, but as I am not in a medical field (and a non-citizen) I fear that people like me will simply be left out of the loop.
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One thing all this business has proven is that "Divide and Rule" still works perfectly with large groups of Humans.
The big question for me is - who has profited most from all this? Follow that trail and you will find the people responsible for Trump's rise.
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The worrying thing is that he died five days after falling ill; that's fast even for Covid-19.
Japan's "let's-pretend-it's-not-that-serious" official response to this pandemic is deeply concerning. The general public seems to be taking it more seriously than the Government at the moment.
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"We should humbly approach (the phenomenon) and ponder why there are people who start believing in conspiracy theories." Watanabe said.
I agree that we need to understand what drives people to believe these insane conspiracy theories, and why people are drawn to obviously divisive destructive people like Trump in clear violation of their own self-interest (he's a misogynistic White Supremacist who has sucked up to and showered praise on one of the worst Communist Dictators on Earth).
But at the same time we need to make sure that they are watched carefully to ensure that they don't descend into an Aum-like insanity that could have similarly tragic consequences.
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Sad little idiots.
At least we can now clearly identify the mentally ill among us before they become dangerous. I have only compassion for people as deluded as these obviously are.
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Isn't it time that Japan joined most of the Developed World in the 21st Century?
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It sounds like the early days of the AIDs crisis; bars in my home-town did the same thing. The LGBT Community rallied and came back stronger than ever.
I guess that's one of the good things about being Gay - we have a stronger sense of Community and we're used to working together to overcome adversity.
It's good to see that spirit is still alive.
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Timely and apposite. I admit to being a little conflicted by Nike's ads, given that they are made for self-serving purposes; however they do raise issues to national and international prominence which people often try to sweep under the carpet.
Racism and bullying are both serious problems in Japan - as they are in many parts of the world.
For those trying to deny this or to deflect criticism to Nike itself - facing up to the problem is the first step to fixing it.
Deal with it.
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I have several clients who work in the Medical field in Osaka.
They have ALL told me that hospitals here are quietly gearing up for a big rise in the number of infections.
Given the paucity of testing in Japan and the fact that a significant number of infected people will be asymptomatic, the real number of infections is almost certainly larger by an very big factor.
The Government seems to think that if they just ignore the virus, it will go away on its own.
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I will be sad to see them go, but the fact is that Japan lags well behind most of the developed world when it comes to digital technology.
Having moved here from Australian little more than a year, I can say that most bureaucratic and official procedures are almost comically archaic here; in a great many instances, procedures are still used here that were abandoned 20 years ago in Australia. The use of Hanko exacerbates the difficulties.
There has to be a change, although I think that one Hanko-maker's idea of creating digital Hanko is a good compromise.
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