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Posted in: 'Riviera of the Middle East' — Trump says he wants U.S. to take charge of Gaza Strip and redevelop it See in context

Whenever you think Trump can't get any worse, he somehow always manages it.

An unspeakably horrific man, here flanked by another.

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Posted in: Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's pick to oversee U.S. spy agencies, clears Senate committee See in context

Wick's pencilToday 07:35 am JST

Nothing wrong with good relations with Putin.

It's a little difficult to have good relations with an accused war criminal who unilaterally started the largest war in Europe since WWII, and whose invading hordes have been murdering, raping, torturing, obliterating, and child-abducting their way through Ukraine for almost three years.

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Posted in: OpenAI chief Altman signs deal with S Korea's Kakao after DeepSeek upset See in context

sakurasukiToday 07:47 am JST

when DeepSeek prove we don't need that expensive investment for AI

I assume you forgot to finish your sentence, with "when you steal other companies' work:"

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-just-insisted-its-chatgpt-and-i-think-thats-all-the-proof-i-need

quercetumToday 08:19 am JST

The U.S. is China now.

I'm afraid not. The US is still innovating; China is still stealing.

Not the other way around.

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Posted in: China hits back with tariffs on U.S. goods See in context

FosToday 04:18 pm JST

Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia

How many times have you copy-pasted this now? Thirty? Forty?

I'll return the favor yet again:

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What utterly ridiculous logic.

Does Asia welcome North Korea because it is in Asia? Did China welcome Imperial Japan because it was in Asia? Laughable.

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Posted in: SoftBank, OpenAI agree to set up joint venture for AI services See in context

sakurasukiToday 06:57 am JST

The era of Japan creating new technology is over, now Japan really depend on outsider to get new tech.

Sadly, the era of China stealing others' technology continues, since it's looking very likely that that's what DeepSeek did.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

After that Japan just repackage it.

China doesn't even bother to repackage it.

https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-just-insisted-its-chatgpt-and-i-think-thats-all-the-proof-i-need

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Posted in: OpenAI announces new 'deep research' tool for ChatGPT ahead of Tokyo meeting See in context

quercetumToday 05:18 pm JST

OpenAI is closed because why provide it for free when you can profit and lure investors?

Why do your own work when you can steal OpenAI's? That appears to be what DeepSeek thought.

In addition to lostrune2's post:

https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-just-insisted-its-chatgpt-and-i-think-thats-all-the-proof-i-need

Sadly, the Chinese government encourages and rewards such behavior, and its online minions cheer it.

sakurasukiToday 06:26 pm JST

Why invite overpriced OpenAI, should invite DeepSeek instead.

Because it's looking very much like DeepSeek is an extremely dishonest company. There is mounting evidence that they ripped off OpenAI, lied about the figures for the training costs, and possibly also lied about the hardware they used.

Plus the fact that the free world doesn't want CCP censorship. Again, in addition to lostrune2's post:

https://thediplomat.com/2025/01/why-deepseek-presents-serious-problems-for-china-researchers/

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Posted in: OpenAI chief says it needs new open-source strategy See in context

WeiWeiToday 08:13 pm JST

These are not facts. Especially 2).

I will concede 2: incorrect phrasing. I should have said "seemingly ripped off" and quantified that with "but the evidence is already pretty damning," as I did on another thread.

But I certainly won't concede 1, as the output is self-evident. Anyone not blinded by CCP ideology can see that, and it's ludicrous to argue otherwise.

https://thediplomat.com/2025/01/why-deepseek-presents-serious-problems-for-china-researchers/

And ChatGPT spouts other kinds of propaganda so why is that propaganda OK but CCP NOK?

Propaganda isn't OK. But if anything is incorrect on ChatGPT, it can be flagged and corrected.

DeepSeek will never have its propaganda corrected, as it must adhere to the CCP line.

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Posted in: Japan to outline steps for AI development after DeepSeek rise See in context

nishikatToday 03:52 pm JST

Deep Seek is open source and OpenAI is not. We will have many more choices (later) because of DS.

Doesn't change the fact that your argument (a choice of CCP AI or Trump AI) was a false dilemma.

That is NOT evidence.

DeepSeek actually saying it's ChatGPT isn't evidence?

A group believed to be linked to DeepSeek retrieving excessive data from OpenAI isn't evidence?

And much more to come, no doubt.

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https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

Microsoft's security team observed a group believed to have ties to DeepSeek extracting a large volume of data from OpenAI's API. The API allows developers to integrate OpenAI's proprietary models into their applications for a fee and retrieve some data. However, the excessive data retrieval noticed by Microsoft researchers violates OpenAI's terms and conditions and signals an attempt to bypass OpenAI's restrictions.

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Posted in: OpenAI chief says it needs new open-source strategy See in context

Pukey2Today 04:14 pm JST

As I said before (and as you conveniently ignored), the beauty of DeepSeek is that it is open source and allows for tweaks for local variations.

I know the code (but not the data) is open source, but it doesn't change the fact that:

1) DeepSeek spouts CCP propaganda

2) DeepSeek ripped off OpenAI

And that's what everyone needs to be aware of.

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Posted in: Japan to outline steps for AI development after DeepSeek rise See in context

nishikatToday 12:39 pm JST

Per my response on another thread...

So we have a choice of CCP AI or Trump AI.

False dilemma. There are a lot more choices than that.

I just want to bake a stupid cake correctly and if anyone needs to rely on AI for any serious getpolitical issues then you, yourself have serious issues.

If you don't care about things like human rights or oppression, you can "happily" use DeepSeek and other CCP-controlled tools.

I do care, so will never use them.

If it were breaking the law it would not be on the AppleStore if PlayStore.

The investigation is still ongoing, but the evidence is already pretty damning. When asked what model it is, DeepSeek even says "ChatGPT."

https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-just-insisted-its-chatgpt-and-i-think-thats-all-the-proof-i-need

Once the investigation concludes, we will hopefully see action.

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Posted in: OpenAI chief says it needs new open-source strategy See in context

sakurasukiToday 11:18 am JST

Be honest how many people really use prompt for Senkaku, Uyghuer and even Tianamen?

On DeepSeek? Not many, as it will tell you either lies, or nothing at all.

On platforms not controlled by the CCP? Unknown, but the information is there if needed.

ishikatToday 12:14 pm JST

I just want to know the best way to bake a cake (for example). Who cares about that and I just want a cheap solution.

If you don't care about things like human rights or oppression, you can "happily" use DeepSeek and other CCP-controlled tools.

I do care, so will never use them.

Then we have a choice of CCP AI or Trump AI. Make your choice.

False dilemma. There are a lot more choices than that.

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Posted in: Russian air attack kills 12 in Ukraine, gas infrastructure targeted See in context

The usual suspects on here, I see, cheering war crimes.

Shameful, but not surprising.

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Posted in: OpenAI chief says it needs new open-source strategy See in context

Chinese AI newcomer DeepSeek has made headlines for its R1 chatbot's supposed low cost and high performance

The key word here is "supposed." Again, we must point out that the reason DeepSeek exists is because it ripped off OpenAI.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

but also its claim to be a public-spirited "open-source" project

Though the code is open-source, the data isn't. And that data is full of the usual CCP censorship, lies, and propaganda: claiming the Senkakus are China's, refusing to answer questions on the Uyghur Genocide, etc. etc. etc.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/01/27/does-deepseek-censor-its-answers-we-asked-5-questions-on-sensitive-china-topics/

https://thediplomat.com/2025/01/why-deepseek-presents-serious-problems-for-china-researchers/

Everyone should be aware of the above (and, of course, the fact that the CCP will get your personal data) if they are thinking of using DeepSeek.

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Posted in: Japan to outline steps for AI development after DeepSeek rise See in context

sakurasukiToday 08:34 am JST

you scream out of loud because DeepSeek was made by China, why don't you just to be fair this time.

I've already covered this on another thread. China is willfully violating the terms of service, and is certainly not being "fair."

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I'm certainly not a fan of OpenAI (or anyone else) using people's work without permission, but there is a difference here:

OpenAI: used pre-existing works to train AI. This was without precedent at the time, so not technically "wrong" as there were no laws to stop it

DeepSeek: explicitly (if the claims are true) distilled ChatGPT's model, in clear violation of the terms of service

Laws are thankfully changing to protect creators, now that the precedent has been set. But China will sadly still ignore them.

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Posted in: SoftBank mulls investment of up to $25 billion in OpenAI: report See in context

quercetumToday 02:29 pm JST

DeepSeek would have been fools not to use OpenAI to train their models.

The OpenAI terms of service specifically forbid distilling their model, which is apparently what DeepSeek did.

It's not that DeepSeek are "not fools," but that they're "cheats/thieves."

In other words, typical China.

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Posted in: Japan, U.S. defense chiefs agree to boost alliance in phone talks See in context

voiceofokinawaToday 12:25 pm JST

Even the one-percent cap of GNP on the military is in violation of Art. 9 of the Japanese constitution.

Nonsense.

Article 9 says nothing about spending caps, and Japan is allowed to have the SDF as a means of defense.

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Posted in: Japan to outline steps for AI development after DeepSeek rise See in context

His remarks come after Chinese company DeepSeek surprised AI users and developers and rattled financial markets with its AI model that was reportedly developed at a fraction of the cost needed by its U.S. rivals and claims to perform on par with OpenAI's ChatGPT.

This neglects to mention that DeepSeek ripped off ChatGPT in order to do so. China stealing things, as usual.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

Itsunori Onodera, a former Japanese defense minister, said DeepSeek's chatbot responded that the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea is China's inherent territory according to history and international law

DeepSeek is useless to anyone outside CCP fantasy land. All the usual crap is in there: very specific lies on things like the Senkakus, but total silence on things like the Tiananmen Massacre, Uyghur Genocide, Winnie the Pooh, etc.:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/01/27/does-deepseek-censor-its-answers-we-asked-5-questions-on-sensitive-china-topics/

And, of course, comedy classics like "unswervingly support the party’s leadership, and promote socialist modernization:"

https://thediplomat.com/2025/01/why-deepseek-presents-serious-problems-for-china-researchers/

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Posted in: Philippine president offers a deal to China: Stop sea aggression and I'll return missiles to US See in context

FosToday 05:25 pm JST

Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia

You love that copy-paste, don't you? Then, I'll return the favor yet again:

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What utterly ridiculous logic.

Does Asia welcome North Korea because it is in Asia? Did China welcome Imperial Japan because it was in Asia? Laughable.

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Posted in: Philippine president offers a deal to China: Stop sea aggression and I'll return missiles to US See in context

deanzaZZRToday 02:15 pm JST

Bong Bong Junior has nothing to offer as a bargaining chip because the Philippines does not own the missiles.

Doesn't change the fact that China is, as ever, violating international law.

And the Philippines will likely own the missiles in the next couple of years anyway.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/23/philippines-angers-china-with-plans-to-buy-us-typhon-missile-system

JJEToday 02:14 pm JST

He is trying to pretend

He is trying to pretend nothing.

He is asking China to respect international law.

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Posted in: Gov't officials rapped for saying nuclear waste could be stored on disputed Northern Territories See in context

JJEToday 02:04 pm JST

Well, it's good to know they view the pristine islands up there

They're hardly pristine, being occupied by accused war criminal Putin.

Japan can make them pristine again once Putin's war of conquest and vanity has caused so much damage to Russia that he is forced to withdraw, just like he is currently doing in Syria.

as a radioactive dump.

Japan is not planning to "dump" anything, either in Hokkaido or elsewhere. It is planning a proper final disposal site in line with international practices.

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Posted in: Europe considers sending troops to Ukraine if there's a ceasefire. But would Russia accept? See in context

ZaphodToday 02:16 am JST

Yes, that upside-down view is what one would have if one takes all information from the likes of Jim Acosta and Rachel Madow.

Are you really disputing the fact that Putin's invasion of Ukraine caused Sweden and Finland to join NATO?

If so, that's very a odd view, as it's exactly what happened.

What does "Putins defeat" even mean?

It means his invading hordes of murderers, thieves, rapists, and child abductors get out of sovereign Ukraine, including the Donbass and Crimea.

Then, Russia pays its reparations, and Putin submits to his war crimes trial.

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Posted in: Philippine president offers a deal to China: Stop sea aggression and I'll return missiles to US See in context

“Let them stop everything they’re doing and I’ll return all of those,” he said.

This is actually an overly-generous offer from Marcos. He is saying to China, "Just follow international law and I'll reduce our defenses, even though you won't have to reduce yours."

He's not asking for anything beyond what China should already be doing.

The problem is, of course, that China is a rogue state that doesn't respect international law, so the chances of it complying with its obligations are zero.

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Posted in: Fatal Ukrainian drone barrage on Russia hits oil refinery See in context

JJEToday 11:44 am JST

Kyiv is desperately trying to provoke an overreaction from Moscow

How can Moscow "overreact" other than what it is already doing? Namely, murder, rape, torture, destruction, and child abduction? There's really only nuclear weapons left, and Putin surely understands what that means.

And Ukraine never "provoked" Moscow in the first place (sorry, Kremlin disinformation about color revolutions is pure fantasy) but Russia still invaded, so it scarcely matters what Ukraine does now.

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Posted in: Europe considers sending troops to Ukraine if there's a ceasefire. But would Russia accept? See in context

ZaphodToday 02:30 pm JST

Simple fact is, Russia is a major power, and Nato at its throat is unacceptable.

Then, Russia should be blaming Putin, given that his catastrophic war of conquest and vanity has brought NATO closer to Russia, with Sweden and Finland's accession.

Couple that with the facts that Russia has lost shocking amounts of personnel/materiel, its economy and trade have severely deteriorated, and its relations with the free world have been destroyed for generations, and it's clear that Putin has made a monumental error and his actions are to the detriment of the Russian people.

ZaphodToday 02:33 pm JST

The only way to settle the conflict is removal of Nato from UKR

Putin's defeat would settle it.

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Posted in: Did DeepSeek copy ChatGPT? Trump adviser thinks so See in context

ThroxToday 06:36 pm JST

I assume you are referring to the knowledge distillation.

Distillation is forbidden by OpenAI's terms of service. If DeepSeek did that, it is violating those terms.

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https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt

Microsoft's security team observed a group believed to have ties to DeepSeek extracting a large volume of data from OpenAI's API. The API allows developers to integrate OpenAI's proprietary models into their applications for a fee and retrieve some data. However, the excessive data retrieval noticed by Microsoft researchers violates OpenAI's terms and conditions and signals an attempt to bypass OpenAI's restrictions.

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Posted in: Did DeepSeek copy ChatGPT? Trump adviser thinks so See in context

quercetumToday 01:59 pm JST

They wiped a trillion dollars off on Monday. $600 billion from one entity. This is good warfare. No concrete rubble or lives lost.

False dilemma. It's not a binary choice between physical or economic warfare. Neither are good.

It's certainly not "good" for DeepSeek to rip off OpenAI, when the terms of service specifically prevented what they apparently did (distilling).

Yet again, it's just more evidence of China ignoring laws and agreements, and another reminder of why the country cannot be trusted.

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Posted in: Did DeepSeek copy ChatGPT? Trump adviser thinks so See in context

ADK99Today 10:17 am JST

Given that Chat GPT is effectively founded on large-scale unauthorized use of intellectual property, it's a bit rich for them to complain about this.

I'm certainly not a fan of OpenAI (or anyone else) using people's work without permission, but there is a difference here:

OpenAI: used pre-existing works to train AI. This was without precedent at the time, so not technically "wrong" as there were no laws to stop it

DeepSeek: explicitly (if the claims are true) distilled ChatGPT's model, in clear violation of the terms of service

Laws are thankfully changing to protect creators, now that the precedent has been set. But China will sadly still ignore them.

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Posted in: Did DeepSeek copy ChatGPT? Trump adviser thinks so See in context

JJEToday 10:41 am JST

Explain this: if it were a knockoff, what's all this white noise about it using a mere fraction of the physical resources, in hardware, data storage and power, not to mention capital investment and manpower?

Research is still underway, and we should know more soon, but at the moment it looks like:

1) The data it uses rips off something (ChatGPT) that took far more resources to build. Therefore, your "mere fraction" doesn't tell the whole story as, without ChatGPT, DeepSeek wouldn't work as it does

2) The figure quoted ($5.6M) doesn't include things like pre-/post-training work (and, per the above, it's using already pre-trained data). The paper itself says things like the below, but this work/cost is not quantified, and therefore not included in the figure.

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“We conduct post-training, including Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT) and Reinforcement Learning (RL) on the base model of DeepSeek-V3, to align it with human preferences and further unlock its potential. During the post-training stage, we distill the reasoning capability from the DeepSeek-R1 series of models, and meanwhile carefully maintain the balance between model accuracy and generation length.”

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My take, FWIW, is that because the model itself is open source (a very good thing), any innovations -- and it seems there are some -- can be used by others. And they will thankfully be used on real-world data, not CCP fantasy data as DeepSeek uses, thus rendering DeepSeek mostly useless other than to CCP adherents.

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Posted in: Japan PM's special adviser to visit central Asia as envoy for 11 days See in context

This is a very good move, along with recent, similar outreaches by India, the EU, and the US.

With Russia's regional influence massively declining due to Putin's disastrous Ukraine folly, and huge suspicions over China, it's natural for Central Asia to want more reliable partners.

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Posted in: Did DeepSeek copy ChatGPT? Trump adviser thinks so See in context

China ripping stuff off, and obfuscating its true figures?

No surprises there.

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