I am always amused at several posters who are always anti- Abe and LDP except when it comes to Okinawa and then they become ardent supporters. So for all of you Abe and LDP Central Govt. lovers, I will leave you with this article taken from The Asahi Shimbun dated 2 May 2020;
A total of 30.2 billion yen (282.24 million U.S Dollars) in central government funding went down the drain after officials in Tokyo were finally forced to concede that some land reclamation work for a U.S. military base in Okinawa Prefecture was doomed before it started. The money was paid to construction companies that had been contracted to build embankments or reclaim land in Oura Bay off the Henoko district of Nago in the southernmost prefecture.
Funding was paid to six contractors, including work for embankment construction. The Defense Ministry was forced to alter the project's design due to the existence of soft seabed discovered in the bay, a situation that emerged as far back as at least 2016 but was withheld from the public. The existence of weak subsoil in the bay was detected in a drilling survey conducted between 2014 and 2016. Even so, the central government plowed ahead with the land reclamation project in December 2018 without publicly acknowledging the finding that would eventually prove to be a major setback.
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Most of the work all ready completed at Henoko has been deemed unnecessary because due to the incompetence of the Japanese Govt. there has to be a major design change which is going to increase the cost several times.. The J-Govt. has to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to Japanese Construction companies for work that was not necessary. This location at Henoko was a mistake and this project has been a disaster from Day One. What the Japanese Taxpayers are getting with this Henoko Relocation Project is a tremendous waste of their tax money and a facility that is of little importance to the defence of Japan. Japan has a Ministry of Defence but no Defence experts, only bureaucrats whose expertise is wasting tax money. How anybody can still support this White Elephant that has always been just a large pork barrel public works spending project without any accountability is beyond me.
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Private Japanese Companies who do construction or maintenance work inside the U.S. Bases are paid by the U.S. Military unless it is a GOJ Project then it is paid for by Japan. All Japanese who work inside the U.S. Bases and are MLC and work directly for the Military or are IHA and work for organizations like AAFES, MWR or MCCS are paid for by the Japanese Govt. I cannot speak for Mainland Japan but inside the Bases on Okinawa there are a lot of U.S. Civilians and Military Dependents working so the idea that Japanese are taking work away from U.S. Citizens is nonsense. Again I cannot speak for Mainland Japan but on Okinawa the Japanese Govt. has built excellent housing, dependent schools, daycare centers, medical facilities and leisure facilities for the U.S. Military and their families. The bottom line is that the Japanese Govt. has spent more money on the U.S. Military and their families than any other host nation in the world.
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Very well said and the absolute truth! Have you noticed how the J-Govt. has no trouble finding money when it comes to projects like this and nobody ever asks how are we going to pay for it.
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So the voters of the U.S. get to choose between two candidates who are both Pro-Business, Anti-Worker, and Pro-Military Industrial Complex. Both candidates have questions concerning their Mental Health and both candidates have been accused of Sexual Assault. What a choice, like having to choose between being shot to death or stabbed to death.
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If Trump really pushes the postponement until next year then Abe and the Olympic Committee will have no choice but to comply. If the U.S. refuses to participate, you can bet that other important countries will follow and if major countries do not participate and their media outlets do not broadcast the games then the Olympics will be a disaster.
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Cannot believe countries still want to waste the taxpayers money on overpriced weapons and defence systems that are useless against viruses and natural disasters. Spend the taxpayers money wisely on improving the lives of the people and keep a large fund available to help people in the case of natural disasters and medical emergences like the Corona Virus.
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All those arrogant MOD Bureaucrats who have been spitting in the faces of the people of Okinawa all of these years now have egg all over their faces because their inept planning has caused massive cost increases and time delays. When the J-Govt. comes begging for your signature to change the construction plan Gov. Tamaki, just give them the middle finger because that is all they deserve!
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If the Japanese Govt. is publicly saying that costs will double then you can be assured that costs will actually triple or quadruple. This is a massive waste of taxpayers money with the Main Beneficiaries being Large Mainland Japanese Companies who are huge donors to the LDP.
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Inept Japanese Bureaucrats and Inept Japanese Politicians along with a sham Environmental Impact Survey and a sham Pre-Construction Survey equals the Disaster known as the MCAS Futenma to Henoko Relocation Plan. So the same Japanese Govt. who was screaming that MCAS Futenma is the most dangerous base in the world and has to be closed right away to protect the safety of the people of Ginowan is now saying that closing MCAS Futenma after 2030 is no problem! Neither the Japanese Govt. or the U.S. Military care anything about the safety of the people of Ginowan because if they did they would have started negotiating the closure of MCAS Futenma on May 15, 1972 which is the date of Reversion. In 2030, the necessity of the Marines on Okinawa for the security of Japan will be even less than it is in 2019. This Henoko Relocation Project is more about enriching Mainland Japanese Construction Companies who are huge donors to the LDP than it is about the Security of Japan. Any money spent on the U.S. Marines on Okinawa is a waste of money that would be better spent on upgrading the JSDF. Get the Marines completely out of Okinawa and return all of that wasted land back to Okinawa. Keep Kadena Air Base, U.S. Army Bases and the U.S. Navy Base at White Beach and those forces along with the JSDF can defend Okinawa and Japan without any problem.
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Trump should visit Okinawa and see the facilities the Japanese Govt. has built for the U.S. Military. He could play 18 holes of golf at the U.S. Marines Taiyo Country Club that the Japanese Taxpayers paid for or if he does not have time for 18 holes, he could play at the 9 hole course built by the Japanese Taxpayers at the Chibana Sports Complex. He could visit at the High school, Jr. High Schools and Elementary Schools built for U.S. Military Children by the Japanese Taxpayers and see the facilities and nice areas to play on that the children have and then he can go to a local school on Okinawa and see the facilities and areas that they have to play on. Then he can visit one of the Centrally A/C Centrally Heated Housing Units that the Japanese Taxpayers built for the U.S. Military. I do not understand why the Japanese Govt. continues to allow this myth that Japan is not spending enough on U.S. Forces in Japan. They should publish a list of every facility they have built on U.S. Bases in Japan including photos and costs for each facility. Japan has paid and continues to pay more than its fair share to host U.S. Forces in Japan.
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Japan pays more than its fair share to cover the costs for stationing U.S. Military forces in Japan. I cannot speak for U.S. Bases in Mainland Japan but I can speak for the U.S. Bases on Okinawa and I can tell you that the Japanese Govt. has built first class housing, dependent schools, day care centers, and leisure facilities including golf courses for the U.S. Military and their dependents on Okinawa. In fact a lot of the Japanese Govt. funded construction on the bases on Okinawa have been for facilities that are not actually necessary for the defense of Japan but were built because of all of the Military Dependents on Okinawa. If you believe that Japan is getting a free ride, then come and take a tour of the bases on Okinawa and see how the U.S. Military and their dependents live thanks to the money spent by the Japanese Govt. and I think you will change your mind.
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U.S. Army Special Forces stationed on Okinawa from 1967 to 1968, Stationed in Vietnam from 1969 to 1970. Worked as a civilian on U.S. Military Bases on Okinawa from 1971 until I retired in 2012. Have been inside every U.S. Military and JSDF Facility on Okinawa.
How about you??
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The U.S. Marines contribute very little to the defense of Japan or S.K. The U.S. Air Force, Navy and Army are the major players in the defense of Japan and S.K. with the Marines being like the water boys and the people who wash the jock straps of the main players. If all of the U.S. Marines left Japan tomorrow it would have very little effect on the U.S. Military's ability to defend Japan.
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The same sort of job that he is doing as the Prime Minister of Japan, lousy!!
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Trump should visit Okinawa! We have great U.S. Military Golf Courses and in fact the U.S. Military Bases on Okinawa are more like Trump Resorts than Military Bases. Trump would feel right at home on a U.S. Military Base on Okinawa, he would think he had never left the United States!
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Hoping for a full recovery for Mick and that the Stones will come to Japan at least one more time.
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People are still singing that sad song about low voter turnout but low voter turnout does not invalidate a political election or a referendum. The people who talk about how only 52% voted are trying to make it sound like that all of the 48% who did not vote in the referendum would have voted for the Henoko Landfill and that most certainly is not the case. All that matters is what the majority of the people (72.15%) who voted in that referendum decided and that is that they oppose the Henoko Landfill.
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52.48% of the registered voters on Okinawa voted in the referendum and that is a majority of the registered voters on Okinawa and 72.15% of the people who voted in the referendum voted against the Henoko Landfill and that is a majority and those are facts!!
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The IJA treated the people of Okinawa like they treated the people of China and Korea not like how they would have treated the people of Mainland Japan and that feeling of being superior of the people of Okinawa is still alive in Mainland Japan today especially among LDP members and Central Govt. bureaucrats.
I am not a member of the minority base hantai, I am a member of the Majority Henoko Landfill Hantai!
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I don't know why you always confuse me with a SOFA status person when I have never had SOFA status. I was in the Army on Okinawa from 1967 to 1968 when there was no SOFA status. I left Okinawa in late 1968 to fulfil my Army obligation including a year in Vietnam and I returned to Okinawa in 1971 and have lived here every since. While it is true that I worked inside the bases, I always worked for either local companies or Mainland Japanese companies and was a project manager who took care of their construction projects inside the base and have been in charge of some very large projects including direct projects for the U.S. Military and projects for the GOJ and in fact my last project was inside Camp Schwab. I have never had on-base shopping privileges since I have lived here as a civilian since 1971. I retired over 6 years ago and I receive a Japanese pension and I do all of my shopping off-base as I have for the last 48 years. I have lived here for 48 years on the local economy and if the U.S. bases left tomorrow, I would still stay here. By the way I am in favour of a U.S. Military presence on Okinawa.
It is not that I hate the USMC because I have had many projects inside Marine Bases and have met many great Marines from privates to Generals. My problem with the U.S. Marines on Okinawa is that in my opinion they do not contribute enough to the defence of Japan to justify the amount of land that they take up on Okinawa and certainly not enough to justify spending a massive amount of Japanese Tax money to build them a new state of the art facility and destroy the ocean at Henoko.
I cannot honestly say that I could have survived on Okinawa without the bases but I was determined to live my life on Okinawa so I believe that I could have but probably on a lower standard of living because my salary was always a lot higher than most Okinawans because of the construction projects being inside the bases.
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Do you talk to the people of Okinawa and tell them about how fair and even-handed the IJA was?
Has any Prime Minister of Japan ever said to the people of Okinawa that we were forced to give you to the United States and we regret doing it but we had no choice?
You use the word forced sacrifice but I think it was easy for the Japanese Govt. to sacrifice Okinawa because they are still sacrificing Okinawa to this very day.
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The IJA murdered countless civilians on Okinawa and forced countless more to commit suicide. That anyone can say that the IJA treated civilians in Okinawa the same as civilians in Mainland Japan is an attempt to whitewash the crimes committed by the IJA on Okinawa just like the Japanese Govt. attempts to do with their revised school textbooks.
It is the opinion of some experts in the field that Mainland Japan sacrificed Okinawa in WWII. They did sacrifice Okinawa by giving it to the U.S. in order to gain their own sovereignty. Imagine how the people of Okinawa must have felt when they found out they were being given to the U.S. Military.
It is not only my opinion but the opinion of a large number of people on Okinawa that the Central Govt. dislikes them.
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The problem is arrogant Mainland Politicians and Central Govt. bureaucrats who have always disliked the people of Okinawa. They dislike the people of Okinawa so much that they have always sacrificed them for the good of the Mainland every chance they have had from the Battle of Okinawa to actually giving the people of Okinawa to the U.S. Military.
The people of Okinawa owe Mainland Japan nothing but Mainland Japan will never be able to repay the people of Okinawa for their sacrifices for them.
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The U.S. Air Force with Kadena Air Base, The Army with Torii Station and the Special Forces and the Fort Buckner Communication Site and the Navy with White Beach and their Aircraft and Facilities on Kadena Air Base along with the JSDF are the real deterrence on Okinawa. The U.S. Marines are not necessary to be on Okinawa for the defense of Japan and the money that the Japanese Govt. is going to waste on that new facility at Henoko is a waste of taxpayers money and is in reality a big public works project to benefit large Mainland Japanese Corporations who are big donors to the LDP under the guise of a necessary Military Facility in order to avoid public scrutiny.
The U.S. Marines already have an Air Base with a runway on the island of Ie Shima located not far from the Motobu Pennisula . That existing Air Base could have been a viable one for one replacement facility for MCAS Futenma and upgraded at a fraction of the cost of Henoko and without destroying the ocean and would have already been finished by now and MCAS Futenma would have been closed but the Japanese Govt. insistence on going with the incredibly expensive landfill at Henoko in order to provide greater profits to their Construction Company Cronies has caused the problems and delays in construction that we have seen and there will be more delays because Gov. Tamaki is not going to sign off on the new design changes that the J-Govt. is going to be forced to propose because of the soft seabed.
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I feel sorry for anyone who lives in Japan and thinks that the U.S. Marines on Okinawa are going to save them from an enemy attack and that China or N.K. would be afraid to attack because of the Marines. I would like for someone to tell me what the U.S. Marines have on Okinawa that would prevent China, N.K. or anyone else from attacking Japan.
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Look at that beautiful ocean that is being destroyed for the U.S. Marines who regardless of what the Japanese Govt. says are not a deterrent on Okinawa. The U.S. Marines have nothing on Okinawa that would deter or prevent an attack on Okinawa, Mainland Japan, The Philippines or any other place.
It is one thing to build a facility on land that can eventually be removed and restored to near the original condition but this landfill is an irreversible procedure that the people of Okinawa will have to endure forever. Every Japanese Citizen in Mainland Japan should hang their head in shame for allowing this landfill to happen.
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This is what the Joint Statement says that was agreed upon by both the U.S. and Japan,
To achieve the goals of the shared partnership between the two countries, the SCC decided to adjust the plans outlined in the May 1, 2006 SCC Document entitled, "United States-Japan Roadmap for Realignment Implementation" (Realignment Roadmap). As part of these adjustments, the Ministers decided to delink both the relocation of the III Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) personnel from Okinawa to Guam and resulting land returns south of Kadena Air Base from progress on the Futenma Replacement Facility.
The Japanese Govt. has the authority to construct all of the necessary facilities on Okinawa and Guam to close Camp Lester, Camp Kinser, Parts of Camp Foster, and Naha Port, regardless of what is happening with the relocation of MCAS Futenma and the United States has agreed on the transfer of Marines to Guam and the closing of other facilities even if the replacement of MCAS is not finished. If the Japanese Govt. chooses not to proceed with constructing those facilities in order to close those bases then that is the fault of the Japanese Govt. and not the people of Okinawa.
My opinion is the Japanese Govt. should be constructing the facilities in order to get those additional bases closed and show the people of Okinawa that they are serious about truly reducing the burden.
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The Okinawa Prefecture is not causing a delay in the closing of Camp Lester, Camp Kinser, Naha Port or any other U.S. Military Base Land outside of MCAS Futenma. The closing and relocation of MCAS Futenma is a separate issue. The closure of Camp Lester, Camp Kinser, a small portion of Camp Foster and Naha Port depends on suitable facilities being built on existing bases on Okinawa, a new Military Port being built in Urasoe City and new facilities being built on Guam.
In 2012, the United States and Japan signed an agreement saying that the closing and relocation of MCAS Futenma was not linked to the transfer of troops to Guam and that the transfer of troops to Guam and the closing of Camp Kinser would take place regardless of what happened to MCAS Futenma.
For all of you people who are spreading the false information that other bases on Okinawa cannot be closed and the Marines cannot be transferred to Guam until the relocation of MCAS Futenma is completed and that the people of Okinawa are to blame for Camp Lester, Camp Kinser and other facilities other than MCAS Futenma not being closed, please read this Joint Statement from the U.S. Japan from the Ministry of Defense Website stating that the closure and relocation of MCAS Futenma and the transfer of troops to Guam and the closure of other bases on Okinawa are no longer linked.
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