Hopefully the new governor will be someone who is not afraid to give the one finger salute to Abe and the rest of the right wing LDP members and Central Govt. bureaucrats who are prejudiced against the people of Okinawa. Mainland Japan owes the people of Okinawa big time for sacrificing them during WWII and for giving them to the U.S. Military but instead of paying them back for the sacrifices they have made, they continue to force the people of Okinawa to make more and more sacrifices. Mainland Japan has never cared about the people of Okinawa which has been shown over and over again ever since they annexed them.
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I don't understand how some people are always confusing the protests against the relocation of MCAS Futenma to Henoko as a sign that the people of Okinawa want all of the U.S. Bases closed. Show me a sign in that picture that says Close all of the U.S. Bases. Most of the people of Okinawa support a limited U.S. Military presence but it is this forcing of a facility that some experts say will have an environmental impact on the island of Okinawa without a full explanation of why this facility and the U.S. Marines themselves are so critical to the defense of Japan and why they are necessary to be on Okinawa that has the people of Okinawa angry. The U.S. Marines have more bases on Okinawa and take up more land space than any other branch of service but yet have nothing on Okinawa that would deter or prevent an attack on Okinawa. The U.S. Air Force on Kadena Air Base and the JSDF at Naha Air Base along with the various JSDF Missile sites on Okinawa are the ones who would be doing the responding to any enemy threats to Okinawa.
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Up untill now all of the U.S. Military bases on Okinawa have been built with the idea that someday the base would no longer be needed and all the facilities would be removed and the land would be restored to as close to what it was originally and returned to the landowners. I believe that is actually stipulated in the land lease agreement with the landowners. But this facility that they are proposing in Henoko goes against this idea of a temporary facility that would eventually be retuned someday because once this landfill at Henoko is completed, it cannot be reversed and that Ocean area cannot be returned to what it is right now. That facility will be truely a permanent facility. So if this is just an extension of Camp Schwab, why would you put a truly permanent facility inside a base that is actually a temporary base? If it is deemed someday that Camp Schwab is no longer needed and can be returned, then all of those facilities on land at Schwab will be removed and the land will be restored and returned to the landowners but that facility on the Ocean will always be there. Why doesn't the Japanese Govt. have to explain why they are building the first truly permanent U.S. Military facility on Okinawa and what would the plans for that facility be if Schwab is ever returned to the landowners? Also I wonder that if this facility is an extension of Camp Schwab, does the land lease agreement with the landowners of Schwab apply to it?
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How are you doing? We have spoken on quite a few occasions and I was suprised to see you posting on here and using your real name. I first met you back in the old Hernando's days in Minatogawa. I have been on Okinawa since 1967 but I know you have been here a lot longer than I have and I have much respect for you.
K.A.B would have been a good location but the Air Force dislikes the Marines as much as the Okinawans. Camp Hansen would have been another good location and a lot's cheaper option. Even Ie Shima which already has a Marine Base and Runway which used to host the Harriers would have been a good location. The Japanese Govt. chose Henoko because it is the most expensive option out of all the locations on Okinawa and because the expensive landfill provides the most profit for the big Mainland Japanese construction companies that support the LDP. This is just a big pork barell project to benfit the big Mainland Japanese Construction companies under the disguise of being necessary for the defense of Japan. The U.S. Marines on Okinawa have nothing that would deter or prevent an attack by China, N.K. or anyone else with serious military capabilities.
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You are joking right? Camp Mujuk in Pohang, please tell me how many dependent housing the S.K. Govt. has built there and how many Dependent Schools the S.K. Govt. has built there and how many golf courses and other leisure facilities the S. K. Govt. has built there?Please tell me how many dependent housing, schools, golf courses and other leisure facilities the German Govt. has built for the U.S. Marines? Please tell me how many dependent housing, dependent schools, golf courses and other leisure facilities the U.K. Govt. has built for the U.S. Marines? Please tell me how many dependent housing, schools, golf courses and other leisure facilities the Govt. of Italy has built for the U.S. Marines? Please tell me how many dependent housing. schools, golf courses and other leisure facilites the Govt. of Spain has built for the U.S. Marines? Please tell me how many dependent housing, schools, golf courses and other leisure facilities the Govt. of Saudi Arabia has built for the U.S. Marines?
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RIP Gov. Onaga, a great servant of the people of Okinawa as the Mayor of Naha and Governor of Okinawa.
The reasons the U.S. Marines are on Okinawa is because the Govt. of Japan is the only country outside of the U.S., that is willing to waste their taxpayers money on a force that cannot even defeat a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan.
Name another country outside of Japan that would build thousands of Central Air conditioned Housing units, Dependent Schools, Day Care Centers, Golf Courses, Military Clubs, Libraries, Bowling Centers, and other leisure centers for the U.S. Marines who contribute almost nothing to the defense of Japan. I wish that all Japanese Taxpayers could come inside the Marine Bases and see what their tax money has been spent on.
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Sorry to disappoint you but The Mainichi Newspaper is reporting that for the deployment of the first battery, the U.S. side has said about six years are needed after "concluding a contract" with Japan, according to Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera. So looks like 6 more years of sleepless nights for you and in 6 years the system will probably be obsolete so Japan will then have to buy Lockeed Martin's latest system.
As other posters have pointed out, this is a massive waste of money that could be better spent on some of the many things that Japan needs to do to improve the lives of its people.
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Posted in: The United States and North Korea are continuing their efforts toward denuclearization and easing of tension on the Korean Peninsula. I cannot tolerate the central government's position to push ahead with a plan that was made more than 20 years ago without undergoing a review. See in context
This project at Henoko is just a massive pork barrel spending project that benefits the large donor LDP construction companies. The U.S. Marines do not contribute enough to the defense of Japan to warrant having a facility like this built for them and just wait to you see the final bill for this project. The money could be better spent on the JSDF.
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Some information on why Gov. Onaga is taking this action.
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I stand corrected, but that ocean at MCAS Iwakuni does not even come close to the beautiful ocean at Henoko.
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For the expansion of MCAS Iwakuni, was there a massive landfill of the ocean ?
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The Japanese Govt. destroying a beautiful ocean spot and wasting a lot of money to build a facility for the U.S. Marines who contribute very little to the defense of Japan. Kudos to Gov. Onaga who even though he is a sick man is still keeping his promise to the voters to try and stop this project with what ever means he can use.
Gov. Onaga is keeping his word unlike his predecessor Nakaima who lied to and betrayed the trust of the voters who elected him. I would still like to hear Nakaima explain why MCAS Futenma is not being being closed within 5 years of his signing of the Landfill Agreement even if no replacement was ready which is what he said Abe promised him and why he signed the agreement.
Every since Okinawa has been a part of Japan, the people of Okinawa have been bullied and discriminated against. The Central Govt. would never attempt to try and build a Facility like this in any other prefecture except Okinawa.
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The Japanese Govt. pays the salaries of Japanese Citizens who work for AAFES even though they are a business.
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I believe that an unaccompanied tour is a necessity on Okinawa because this is a small island with limited resources and the local population keeps increasing and the number of tourists keep increasing. I don't know how much you actually know about the bases on Okinawa, but I would ask you to take a close look at them and just see how much land the Military Dependents take up. If you were talking about Mainland Japan then I would agree that an unaccompanied tour is not a necessity but for the small island of Okinawa, I believe it is. I know that it might sound cruel but U.S. Military personnel come to Okinawa to perform a mission and that mission can be performed without Military Dependents.
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Keep my attitude wherever you want. I was stationed on Okinawa in the U.S. Army from 1967 to 1968 and I worked inside the bases on Okinawa from 1971 until 2013 as a civilian so I am authorized to have whatever attitude I want about the U.S. Bases on Okinawa. The truth is there are too many Military Dependents on Okinawa and they take up too much of the land on this small island. Most of the land used by the U.S. Military on Okinawa is taken up by Military Family Housing, Dependent Schools and Leisure Facilities that would not be needed if Okinawa was an unaccompanied tour. If you cannot stand to be without your family for one or two years then you should not be in the U.S. Military. Make Okinawa an Unaccompanied Tour of Duty and return all excess land to the people of Okinawa so they can improve their quality of life.
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I admire your tenacity but you are never going to win an argument with the pro-base people by using the terms Military Occupation. They will always counter with the J-Govt. can tell the U.S. to leave at any time but we all know that the J-Govt. especially the LDP will never tell the U.S. Military to leave even if there was an accident that killed 10,000 Okinawans. The best way to fight the U.S. bases on Okinawa is to point out all of the wasted land taken up by the excessive number of Military Dependents on Okinawa. Most of the land used by the U.S. Military on Okinawa is taken up by Military Family Housing, Dependent Schools and Leisure Facilities for Military Dependents. Okinawa should be an Unaccompanied Tour of Duty without dependents. No dependents on Okinawa would mean that over 50% of the land currently used by the U.S. Military on Okinawa could be returned without any affect on the Military Mission. The number of Military Troops on Okinawa is not the problem, the number of Military Dependents on Okinawa is the reason so much land is needed.
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I would be willing to bet that the U.S. Marines are the least effective force on Okinawa when it comes to defending Japan and their limited capabilities on Okinawa does not justify the amount of land that they occupy on Okinawa. The Air Force are the most effective force on Okinawa followed by the JSDF with their Air Base and Missile Sites. The Army with their communication sites and the special forces would be ahead of the Marines and the Navy with White Beach, their Kadena Air Base operations and communication sites would also be ahead of the Marines. An initial attack on Okinawa would be missile attacks for which the U.S. Marines have no answer for. The main question is could the island of Okinawa be properly defended without the U.S. Marines and I believe the U.S. Air Force, Army and Navy along with the JSDF are fully capable of defending Okinawa without the U.S. Marines.
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The U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Army , U.S. Navy and the JSDF are all on Okinawa and are all considered Military Forces. Please tell me what weapons the Marines have on Okinawa that would stop China or N.K. from attacking Okinawa.
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I would like someone to tell me what the U.S. Marines have on Okinawa that would deter someone like China or N.K. from attacking Okinawa. My opinion is that even though the U.S. Marines have the most bases on Okinawa, they are the least effective military force on Okinawa when it comes to the defense of Japan.
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The U.S. Marines have the most bases and take up the most land on Okinawa but the U.S. Marines have no capabilites on Okinawa that would prevent or deter an attack on Okinawa. If Okinawa was attacked, the U.S. Marines would only get in the way of the U.S. Air Force and JSDF who would be the ones fighting to protect Okinawa. Instead of the Japanese Govt. wasting all of this money on Henoko, they would be better served spending the money on the JSDF or the U.S. Airforce who are the ones who have the real fighting abilities to defend Okinawa. Most of the Marines on Okinawa are support troops and they have more Marine Dependents than fighting troops and they spend more time on the golf courses and beaches than they do training.
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I am surprised the LDP people are not wearing MNGA (Make Nago Great Again) caps. So I guess Mr. Toguchi is going to be able to do what all of the former LDP Mayors of Nago could not do even with all of the money they got from the Central Govt., make Nago an economic boom town. What kind of industries and what kind of good paying jobs is Mr. Toguchi going to bring to Nago? What is going to happen is the Central Govt. will waste taxpayers money on Public Work Projects that benefit Mainland Japanese Construction companies just like that monstrosity they are building at Henoko which is basically a huge public works project that benefits the large Mainland Japanese Construction companies that are Major Donors of the LDP.
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Definitely a derogatory and discriminatory remark towards the people of Okinawa by the Nippon Kaigi Affiliate Fumiaki Matsumoto. If these Marine Corps Helicopter Incidents were happening in Mainland Japan, you can bet he would not have made these comments and if these incidents were happening in Mainland Japan, you can bet that the local people would be protesting just like the people of Okinawa are.
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Eventually the Japanese Govt. will realize that the small island of Okinawa with its increasing population and increasing numbers of tourists is not suitable for the type of training that the Marines require. I just hope this happens before a tragic accident occurs. Some people think that the new facility at Henoko is the answer but that will not stop the incidents from happening, the incident with the helicopter in the picture happened a lot closer to Henoko than it did to Futenma.
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The Ministry of Defense installed 4 cameras at the school after the incident with the helicopter window falling on the school ground so they do have video footage showing that the U.S. Marine helicopters were there. The Ministry of Defense would never file a protest with the U.S. Military and use the words that they have used if they didn't have proof and it is the Ministry of Defense not the local Okinawa Govt. saying that the U.S. Marines violated the agreement that they made.
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According to the Okinawa Pref. home page, U.S. Military facilities take up 10.1% of Okinawa Pref. but 18.2% of the land on the Main Island of Okinawa. U.S. Military Facilities take up 19.6% of the land in the Northern Area, 23.1% of the land in the Central Area and 0.6% of the land in the Southern Area of the Main Island.
The fact is that the U.S. Military Bases take up large chunks of land in central locations on Okinawa and to pretend that they are small bases that are located so far out of the way that you have to drive for hours to find them is disingenuous.
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A Canadian living in Osaka who knows nothing about the U.S. Military Bases on Okinawa but who is always making disparaging remarks about the people of Okinawa. Tell me smithinjapan why there is 13 U.S. Military Bases on Okinawa and only 8 U.S. Bases in all of Mainland Japan? Why do the U.S. Marines need 8 bases on Okinawa? Why does the U.S. Military need 4 golf courses on Okinawa? Why do the people of Okinawa, one of the smallest and poorest prefectures in Japan, have to bear such a large burden for the defense of Japan?
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Even a blind person can see that Okinawa is too small of an island to have all of these Military Facilities on it. Okinawa is 70 miles long and an average of 7 miles wide but yet has 13 large U.S. Military Bases on it plus several JSDF Bases and missile sites. Name me another 70 mile long 7 mile wide area in the world that has so many Military Bases on it.
13 U.S. Military Bases on Okinawa but only 8 U.S. Military Bases in all of Mainland Japan but yet it is the people of Okinawa who are always called whiners and complainers and not doing enough to support the U.S. Japan Security Treaty.
Okinawa has Kadena Air Base which is the largest and most active Air Base in the Far East ( 2 runways) and then there is Naha Air Base where the JSDF share a runway (another runway is under construction) and taxiways with Naha Commercial Airport. Kadena Air Base and Naha Air Base are more than enough for the small island of Okinawa. The U.S. Marines do not need their own MCAS on Okinawa, put all Marine Corps Aircraft at MCAS Iwakuni. Relocating MCAS Futenma to Henoko is not the answer, you are only relocating the danger from one area of Okinawa to another.
The best solution for Okinawa is to remove all of the Marines from Okinawa and keep Kadena Air Base for the Air Force, White Beach for the Navy, Torii Station and Fort Buckner for the Army and those bases along with the JSDF Bases and Missile Sites on Okinawa is more than enough for the small island of Okinawa and its people to bear in support of the defense of Japan.
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The U.S. Military has 4 golf courses on Okinawa, 2 are 18 hole courses and 2 are 9 hole courses. They also have 5 private beaches, a boat marina and more tennis courts than you can count. If you do an internet search for MWR and MCCS Okinawa you will see a list of all of the leisure facilities that they operate.
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Suga coming to Okinawa with a suitcase full of bribe money to interfere in a local Okinawa election.
While you are in Okinawa Suga, why don't you explain to the people why there are 13 U.S. Military Bases on the small island of Okinawa and only 8 U.S. Bases in all of Mainland Japan and why don't you explain to the people why the U.S. Military needs 4 golf courses and a boat marina on Okinawa.
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These type of hate phone calls and emails suggests a discriminatory sentiment against Okinawa which unfortunately exists in Japan even among some foreigners. You can read some of the posts on JT and recognize the prejudice against Okinawa right away. The posters on JT who talk about the protesters being paid to protest against the bases and being under the control of China and whenever there is a serious crime committed or an aircraft accident by the U.S. Military, they say that Okinawans commit crimes and that commercial aircraft have accidents too shows a certain amount of prejudice towards Okinawa. If you never blame the U.S. Military but always blame the people of Okinawa, then you are probably prejudiced against Okinawa.
The small island of Okinawa has almost twice the number of U.S. Military Bases than all of Mainland Japan and hosts more U.S. Military Facilities than any other prefecture in Japan but yet some people are trying to act as if the people of Okinawa are just a bunch of whiners and complainers who always have their hands out to the Central Govt. but don't want to contribute anything for the money that the Central Govt. gives them. If you don't believe that Okinawa is doing a lot more than their fair share for the U.S. Japan Security Treaty then you are probably prejudiced against Okinawa.
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