From the NYTimes...
In a translated court filing reviewed by The New York Times, prosecutors argued that Mrs. Ghosn should not be allowed to meet with her husband because she had disparaged the Japanese legal system.
This is revenge instigated by the prosecutors, pure and simple.
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No it's Carlos, and he's innocent, it's the japanese judiciary system that is flawed say the "experts" posting comments...hahaha!
If you had been following this on JT I think you would have found that the two have become somewhat exclusive with most only hoping Ghosn gets s fair trail and the "system" is improved.
Ghosn has been accused of wrong doing and we've all see the same leaks BUT it should be up to a fair court to decide guilt, and until then he is considered innocent,
On the other hand the unfairness and mideaval practices of the prosecutors in our so called Japanese "justice" system are evident.
Ghosn may be guilty, as the prosecutors say, or innocent as he says, and that will (hopefully) come out in trail. One can only hope that this trail brings enough shame and pressure on our justice system that it can be changed and drug screaming into this century!
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All her cavorting will backfire.
That is certainly what the prosecutors are praying happens. They certainly feel uncomfortable when they can't control their trail by media smear.
Whether it has any effect on the trail is not as important as what it might do to bring pressure on repairing the badly damaged Japanese injustice system!
Ghose may be guilty or he may be innocent, that should be addressed in a fair trail. The way the prosecutors leak information to their advantage is disgusting though and I hope Carole matches them step for step!
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Notice how all of the articles about this say something about the bail terms banning Carlos from talking to those related to the charges but that Carole is under no such ban?
What the Prosecutors don't point out in their "leak" is that they suspect that she may have talked to someone linked to the recent accusation and not anything or anyone connected to ANY of the indictments against Ghosn for which he received bail, and that she would not have broken any bail terms even if she had been included in her husbands bail terms.
This media smear campaign that prosecutors use to convict a person before trail, and it's not only in Ghosn's case, has to be illegal. The "source close to the matter" is obviously used as the English translation of 検察官.
Boy but do they sure get pissed when the other side tries to counter their smear campaign with their own media releases.
This case just gets stranger by the day and the frustration of the prosecutors when Ghosn didn't "confess", make a couple deep bows, accept his slap on the wrist. They wouldn't be losing so much face and a merger would sidelined. Now their finding out Renault STILL want the merger, and they've dug themselves in a hole so deep they'll never get out. The only good that may come is some small improvement in the medieval justice system.
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A link please -- or it didn't happen
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i Carole Ghosn was under no legal restriction to not leave Japan and it has nothing to do with Carlos.
ii I notice you emphasized "which he assumed would not come to light" but, in reality this is just your opinion.
AND his new Twitter account didn't violate his parole and even if it was a "make my day" tweet, certainly wasn't illegal.
The good that will hopefully come from Ghosn's fighting attitude is to bring a stronger spotlight on Japan's "injustice" system and, again hopefully, enough shame that steps are taken to cause some correction!
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One shareholder said Nissan's entire management should resign immediately.
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@kenji. It is legal to make moves in business to change business plans. Not sure about Saikawa, but to my knowledge he is not in prison facing trial for multi million dollar theft.
You're 100% correct when you say Saikawa, or for that matter anyone at Nissan other than Ghosn, is not facing trail or even accused of a crime. AND THIS IN ITSELF shows just how corrupt the so called "justice" is in Japan and why it's receiving such scrutiny abroad! If the allegations are true or not remains to be seen but, in any case, it would be impossible for Ghosn to do what they say he did by himself. Others had to be involved and it was even stated that Saikawa signed documents and received emails outlining the retirement payout options for Ghosn. Obviously he knew everything and it is very probable that many others were involved as well. Why are there no other suspects? The simple answer seems to be that is Nissan wanted to avoid a merger and saw ousting Ghosn as the way to do that. Ghosn may be innocent or he may be guilty, but that should be determined in a fair trail. AND that trail should include many more that just 1 suspect!
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Sympathy for Ghosn and disgust for the Japanese "justice" system are two different things!
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So many miss the point that this is not about the innocence or guilt of Ghosn anymore but this farce of a justice system.
The prosecutors may have caught a fish this time, or may be not, but it's usually only in third world dictatorships that they are allowed to lock someone up on weak allegations and go on an endless fishing trip looking for something to charge the person.
And rearresting him while on bail because "he might become a flight risk", when he's already proven he is not, is just crazy!
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108 days in solitary, not allowed to see family, no heat, poor meals, ruined life, etc and that's not punishment? you should hope your never "not punished" by our backward hostage justice system.
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Well,there are worse jails. Especially in the country that is screaming about rights.
Of course the biggest thing here is that Ghosn hasn't been found guilty of any crimes and wasn't in jail but detention. He shouldn't be punished for an allegation that hasn't been proven in court, especially allegations of non-violent white collar crimes.
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No one has mentioned 'tax evasion' because it has nothing to do with the charges against Ghosn.
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The media always seems add enough spin that it's difficult to understand the original intent. It's true Renault is not compensating Ghosn for the amount stated but the article doesn't explain the amount is for a non-compete clause that was always optional and the the remaining 90% of the total is actually a value for an option on performance shares not actually cash. The performance shares also come with the stipulation that Ghosn be present at Renault when he resigns which, due to Japan's hostage justice system, is impossible.
Renault did say
“Mr. Ghosn retains, as of the date hereof, his positions within Alliance Rostec Auto BV and Renault do Brasil,” Renault added.
Renault is trying to balance their domestic troubles and the Ghosn situation. It'll be interesting to see how it all works out.
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I'm still trying to figure out Saikawa's strategy for declaring a ¥9.2 billion yen loss to cover delayed salary to Ghosn. Salary that he says will never be paid. This will probably come back to bite Saikawa where it hurts too!
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I'll wager that the Prosecutors & Japan, Inc. are feeling more than just a bit of remorse right now over all of this.
They obviously made a mistake in handling things and are now trying desperately to find something that will standup in court to support the allegations to save face. Ghosn certainly isn't a saint BUT proving criminal intent in court requires more than wishful thinking. Their game plan right now seems to be to keep Ghosn hidden away in detention hoping things go away.
The French prosecutors seem to be much more level headed and aren't so quick to jump without cause saying that "they haven't decided if they will pursue the allegation". If it had been in Japsn and Nissan had said "Did you notice the big event Ghosn held for Nissan just 'happened' to be on his birthday?" Whether coincidence or not the Japan prosecutors would have prematurely jumped on that too without checking if there was any evidence that would stand up on court!
Nissan really played the prosecutors when trying to pull off this coup! That says a lot about Japan's "justice" system!
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The car manufacturer will list the payments in its third quarter statement next Tuesday despite having no intention to pay them, according to reports by The Japan Times.
Hummm... This sounds like something the Prosecutors asked Nissan to do so they can insist the payments amounts were already firmly decided.
I can hear the Prosecutors now "See, Nissan even published the deferred remuneration! We really do have a case. Beleive us!"
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Offers passport, he has 3 of them :)
It's obvious the Judge would require ALL passports and Ghosn did say "that he would accept any and all" requirements.
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"I have a genuine love and appreciation for Nissan."
That, in itself, is not a reason to release him.
"I have a genuine love for destroying Nissan." Better keep him detended.
Is not a reason to NOT release him on bail either!
I would imagine that France is looking at all the options for a merger with or without Ghosn. It will be interesting!
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If Ghosn were bailed out and he has gone to France for rest, I wonder he would back for his trial??
Did you even read the article?
Ghosn has addressed all of the Judge's concerns. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!
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What? Record sales and only 3.9 million vehicles? I had thought they were at least twice that figures; no wonder they need Nissan.
You do realize that if Renault had sold twice that amount it would be more than a million and a half vehicles more than Nissan's total sales, right?
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Should read "have NO idea"! Sorry
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In fact - the external auditing company for Nissan seriously questioned some of the transactions.
But the dimwits in the financial/ accounting office at Nissan Corp assured the external auditors all was well.
It's obvious that you have I idea how transfers work or the checks that happen but you've said several times that Ghosn hid these transfers. Now you saying he hid them, EXCEPT from the external auditors, the finance people, and the accounting people.
With so many people in the know the transfers are hardly "hidden".
Again, this certainly appears to be a compliance issue. Illegal? Not so much.
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France has said that they see no option but to replace Ghosn because the company can't continue indefinitely without a head and, since Japan's justice system is holding Ghosn hostage, they need to find a replacement. It was made clear that it has nothing to die with his guilt or innocence, but simply a matter of business. Renault lawyers still say they haven't seen enough evidence to say Ghosn is guilty of anything. Improper maybe, but probably not illegal...
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This sounds like a compliance issue and, if true, would result in the the company rules being amended and the person, in this case Ghosn, losing his position as CEO. But is it illegal? The media, based on Nissan's leaks, want readers to draw that conclusion but they have all been very careful the use the word "improper" and not "illegal". It's probably like the payments to the woman in France, probably improper but they said they weren't illegal.
the problem here is the Prosecutors, and Nissan, using systematic "leaks" to the media hope that it means they don't really have to prove anything!
That is what is "dubious and improper"!
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Though bit and pieces have been published.especially in various foreign publications - and some J ones as well
Those bits and pieces are all put together from things leaked by Nissan and the Prosecutors. They only leak things that lead the media to the conclusions they want, probably without any real evidence. Remember, Nissan wants Ghosn out so they can distance the company from Renault. To that end I doubt their "evidence" is completely unbiased!
If they can create a "conviction by the media" less people will complain about the injustice and if they can get a forced confession everybody will accept the outcome. All this leads to there never being enough pressure to change the system. The appalling injustice is allowed to continue!
As for all their "mountains" of evidence remember the Renault lawyers received and reviewed everything. Their conclusion is that what they saw wasn't enough to prove wrongdoing.
Drawing conclusions from only one side of a story through "leaks" of out of context information hoping to lead people to draw the conclusion the Prosecutors want while keeping the other side silent only works with those that have really been brainwashed. You certainly fall into that category but I'll wait for the trail. In the meantime the Japanese justice system should join the rest of the democratic world and release Ghosn on bail.
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Japanese prosecutors are very capable and tenacious, according to movies and novels.
So were the KGB, Kempeitai, etc.
But this is 21st Century in a supposedly democratic country!
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This may be a compliance issue, but it's most likely not illegal.
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It looks like Nissan is timing this announcement to coincide with ghosn's bail request and appeal to strengthen the "media" trail and help the prosecutors keep him in detention.
The media reports are all based on the prosecutors drip drip drip leaks of information and are using the media to convict him before there's a trail. If the really have a case they should just go to trail and prove it, but I doubt they have a very strong case though.
The media makes it sound like the houses in Brazil, Paris, etc were bought by Ghosn, but isn't it true that they are in Nissan's name? Instead of paying rent Nissan purchased the house and Ghosn was allowed to use it, they all still belong to Nissan. And, as for the salary that wasn't they say was fixed and declared, if Ghosn is found guilty Nissan owes him the $50M, right? On the other hand, if Ghosn is found innocent then it means the amounts were not fixed and Nissan doesn't have to pay.
in addition to the appalling display of the Japanese justice system it doesn't look like Saikawa thought this through before getting together with the prosecutors!
It will be interesting to see what the prosecutors offered as plea bargains as well.
Nissan and the Japanese justice system really shot themselves in the foot on this one, and that won't change even if Ghosn is found at trail!
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