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Posted in: Israel intensifies strikes on Gaza's Rafah; large family killed in home See in context

The IDF are killing far too many civilians outright, to be even be considered as 'collateral damage'.

Just curious: How many dead civilians would be an acceptable amount to be considered collateral damage?

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Posted in: Israel intensifies strikes on Gaza's Rafah; large family killed in home See in context

So do you think it's acceptable to just kill the human shields?

It depends. Proportionality is something that needs to be considered. Killing human shields if deemed proportional isn’t against any type of international law however

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

Of course there is. And in the heat of battle you could forgive a soldier for killing an armed youth who poses a threat to their own life. Bit different when you blow them up with a missile from your safe bunker.

It’s no different at all. An armed youth is a military target who poses a risk to Israeli soldiers. Israel has no obligation to risk its own soldiers when they can neutralize a threat with a missile. You won’t find a single international body that agrees with you

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

So a bit of semantics makes killing 20 000 of them OK then?

Theres a huge difference between armed 16 / 17 year olds and a 5 year old

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

World class. Remember that time they deliberately let those Hamas militants into Israel ?

No, because that never happened

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

That was in January. What difference does it make to my point? None. The number of buildings destroyed outnumbers Hamas militants by 5 to 1.

You do realize not all military targets have enemy combatants, correct? Targets like ammo caches are completely viable military targets that might not have any combatants present when destroyed

What could each of these buildings possible contain? Its not like they have squadrons of jet fighters or tanks hidden in them. 

Hamas regularly launches rockets into Israel. Do you not agree?

but finding out such information would be next to impossible to confirm on the part of the IDF. 

What makes you think this? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world

In the absolute worst case each all of these targets contained a few AKs, Maybe a small percentage contained RPGs,

The vast majority of the killing done on October 7th was done with AKs, RPGs and other small arms so to argue they aren’t effective is just blatantly wrong.

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

Was every one of the 200,000 buildings destroyed in Gaza used to carry out attacks? Thats around 5 times more targets than there are Hamas militants.

You’re either lying or misinformed. 200,000 buildings in Gaza haven’t been destroyed.

”Now, satellite data analysis obtained by the BBC shows the true extent of the destruction. The analysis suggests between 144,000 and 175,000buildings across the whole Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed.”

Keep in mind that something as simple as a broken window qualifies a building as being damaged in the common statistic people like to quote

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

All of them? Every hospital, every mosque and church, every university and school, every shop and house? Has Israel provided any evidence to justify the attacks they have carried out on October 7th? Have the attacks been proportional to the strategic military threat posed by said targets? The answer is no.

What would be a proportional response then? What is the civilian / fighter death ratio that would make Israel’s response proportional in your eyes?

And to even suggest that the IDf has a capacity for such intelligence would make a complete mockery of the hostage rescue effort. If the IDF can identify 200,000 buildings as significant military targets (which they obviously cannot), surely they can find where the hostages are being kept...

What makes you believe they can’t identify significant military targets? There are plenty of indicators that show a location is being for military purposes. It’s extremely difficult to use those same processes to determine where hostages are being held.

Im sorry, but that just isnt enough justification to flatten over 50% of civilian infrastructure and murder over 1% of the Gazan population.

It actually is 100% enough justification if the 50% of civilian infrastructure is being used for military purposes and the 1% are being used as human shields. International law is pretty clear on this

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

No it didn't! It started in 1948 when Israeli terrorists drove Palestinians from their home at gun point & murdered a lot of them. The refugee camps are call such because the Palestinians are refugees in their own country!

Im actually really curious when people make statements like this. Do you believe that all Israelis should be kicked out and the entirety of the land be given back to the Palestinians? What is a just solution?

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

Has Israel actually provided any evidence for these claims?

Even Amnesty International has confirmed Hamas operates out of civilian structures.

Ive seen ridiculous comments lately like 'Hamas have been using their own family members as human shields'... But like any armed force, isnt that just called going home to your family?

They aren’t just ‘going home to their families’. It’s been documented that Hamas has launched rockets near civilian buildings like schools and hospitals.

Were the IDF reservists who lived in the Kibbutz that were attacked on Octber 7th 'using their families as human shields?' Applying the same logic, the answer is yes.

Was the IDF operating out of those Kibbutz’s and using them to launch attacks into Gaza? If no, there’s a huge difference

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

Not convincing in the least of course but why not stop the supply of weapons just the same to make the effort to help a ceasefire happen appear more sincere?

Probably because Hamas hasn’t shown any good will in this entire conflict and the U.S. is hesitant to turn its back on its ally to align with a terrorist organization

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

Could the US istopping its supply of weapons to israel make the ceasefire happen?

Probably not. U.S. aid only accounts for like 10-15% of Israel’s military budget

Weren't the vast majority women and children ?

Women and minors, not children

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Posted in: Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war See in context

So the other 19,000 innocent have zero value to you?

It’s sad but Hamas shouldn’t be operating in areas with large civilian populations. Their deaths are entirely the responsibility of Hamas

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Posted in: Number of American workers hitting picket lines more than doubled last year See in context

US in decline too..

Total cope. The U.S. is doing better than almost every country economically

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Posted in: Japan, now world's No. 4 economy, on steep road to reverse low growth See in context

Purchasing power parity is a worthless metric

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Posted in: Recession has struck some of world's top economies, but U.S. keeps defying expectations See in context

Lots of mental gymnastics in this thread trying explain why the US is “actually doing bad”. Keep coping.

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Posted in: Researchers start to find clues on the trail of long COVID See in context

But again this is invalid since there is no way to guarantee not catching covid, so the risk is still higher for not vaccinating.

No it isn’t.

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Posted in: Researchers start to find clues on the trail of long COVID See in context

But there is no realistic way to ensure not catching covid (unless you live on an sterile bubble) this is already considered in the higher risk you get by not vaccinating. Not vaccinating is already a guaranteed higher risk even if you mistakenly believe you can avoid for sure being infected.

There is a chance I’ll never catch Covid though, which would mean my overall risk of any long term covid side effects and any long term covid vaccine side effect is 0

If I get the vaccine there’s a chance I’m putting myself at a higher risk of side effects as I could never catch Covid at all

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

So when people in a democracy, like the USA, withdraw support for an incumbent Pres., thats still showing "Israel has the support of the majority of the west "?

In the U.S. polls show that support for Israel is twice that of the support for Palestine

6 in 10 Americans say their sympathies mostly lie with Israel, while 3 in 10 say they are more sympathetic to Palestinians.“

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

No. I am saying what you couldnt understand was an Israeli element to the negotiations.

What don’t I understand?

And I dont think Israel is winning....at least not on the world stage.

Israel still has the support of the majority of the west, even to the point that Biden is losing domestic support because of his support for Israel. Why do you think Israel isn’t winning on the world stage?

Israel routinely takes hundreds of Palestinian people ""hostage ", holds them without trial for years with no recourse to Civil Courts.

If this is morally wrong, do you agree that Hamas taking hostages is also morally wrong?

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

However, I suspect both the IDF/Hamas will fight this devastating war to its bitter end whatever the cost

True. Both sides think they can achieve their goals through fighting but Israel is correct and Hamas is delusional

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

J Bone...an early claim in negotiations for the Israel side had the ""expulsion " to other countries of Hamas top Commanders.

I don’t understand your point. Are you implying that Hamas leadership being in other countries is purely out of their attempt to acquiesce to some of Israelis terms?

So "why would anyone agree to this " is better put to the Israeli side.

Israel is winning so they have no reason to agree to anything at this point

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

if Netanyahu and his war mongers want's the hostages they can get them in about 48 hours all they have to do is STOP the killing, hold fire, and go back to the negotiating table.

Please explain to me how this wouldn’t incentivize further attacks and hostage taking in the future. If Hamas has their demands met, what would stop them from taking more hostages in the future to get more and more demands met?

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Posted in: Israeli forces storm southern Gaza's main hospital in search for hostages' remains See in context

Hamas, which continues to fight Israeli forces across Gaza, says it will not release all the remaining captives until Israel ends its offensive and withdraws. Hamas also demands the release of a large number of Palestinian prisoners, including top militants.

Why in the world would Israel ever agree to this?

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Posted in: Researchers start to find clues on the trail of long COVID See in context

It is your decision to make but unless there is an objective medical reason to avoid the vaccine that still means getting a much higher risk from the disease.

Im at literally a 0% risk if I don’t catch covid

Im putting myself at a guaranteed risk if I get the vaccine

Not gonna risk it sorry

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Posted in: Researchers start to find clues on the trail of long COVID See in context

I’m not getting the vaccine, simple as. I’m not going to risk the side-effects

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Posted in: Israel frees two hostages; Palestinian TV says 74 killed in assault See in context

Here is the polling on the two options.

Israeli Arabs are a significantly smaller portion of society. When polled as a whole:

”Only 35% of Israelis think “a way can be found for Israel and an independent Palestinian state to coexist peacefully,” according to the survey, which was conducted in March and April, prior to the latest violence in the West Bank. That represents a decline of 9 percentage points since 2017 and 15 points since 2013.”

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Posted in: Israel frees two hostages; Palestinian TV says 74 killed in assault See in context

Yep, indeed I read your post too quickly. 

No worries I do the same thing often too

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Posted in: Israel frees two hostages; Palestinian TV says 74 killed in assault See in context

Palestinian peoples goal of a one state solution? Yet you have claimed only a couple of posts above that, quote " " Polling data shows that Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. "

Contradicting yourself there much dude?

No? It appears you’re unfamiliar with the terminology of the current conflict.

‘One state solution’ refers to a single state that is home to both the Palestinians and Jews.

’Two state solution’ refers to a state for Palestinians and a separate state for Israelis.

Polling data shows that Palestinians don’t want a two state solution (a separate Palestinian state and separate Israeli state) but want a single state for both Palestinians and Israelis (both would live in and be citizens of the same country)

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Posted in: Israel frees two hostages; Palestinian TV says 74 killed in assault See in context

likely to turn into hundreds of thousands

According to who? The death toll hasn’t even passed 30,000 yet

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