Okay smith, did my research. Apparently two girls are underage, one was 17 and one was 18. Now in the states, where you may be from, 18 is considered an adult, so that makes one udnerage girl. Not so easy to find. As to what I thought of the video, well, obviously in my western eyes it was all about sex. But then I read an interesting little tidbit from the director of the video (a Japanese woman) who said that the video shows a somewhat typical side of Japanese girls. According to her, many young Japanese girls display such actions towards each other. Of course she exaggerated the idea. So, if I try to use eyes from the perspective of a Japanese person, they may see this as cute and innocent.
So why do these girls do what they are told, again, it is not out of fear for their life, it is because they want fame and fortune. They can choose not to do this if they want.
When I say women in this position, I don't mean girls enslaved to be used sexually, I mean girls who try to compete for fame and fortune.
There is nothing illegal about what they are doing. There are no laws that state a girl in sexy lingerie must be a legal adult. There are no laws saying the young girls cannot emulate a sexual image in order to sell records. There is only your own moral law that finds this criminal. You have every right to feel that way.
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Smith, just curious, what artists would you prefer most people listen to?
I did a bit of research and saw the "Heavy rotation video, yes the girls were wearing lingerie. But those girls seemed much older than your 14-18 range. I suppose they are the leaders of the group and well above the 20 year mark.
Bottom line is that these girls do what they want. Nobody is threatening their lives to make them do this. The most ham that could come to them if they refused the work is that they would no longer be in the limelight and would have to try and make it on their own. Most women in these positions do realize that sex sells, and if they want to dominate the competition, they must resort to it at some point.
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Hmmmm, well I won't take things personally as I did throw out a bit a rip at the end of my last comment. But I think a lot you take this too far on the pedo tip. Look at from the the psyche of the Japanese. They love and adore "cute". Often it isn't a sexual thing, but yes sometimes it can be. I don't think 100% of their PR is based in attracting dirty old men.
GW - are you saying that when Brittney first broke into the scene, she was considered a woman? She was barely 18 when her two smash hits "oops I did it again" and "baby one more time", both heavy with sexual undertones, gained her fame and popularity. While I understand 18 is a legal age, she still looked like a young girl. And yes I admit, the 13 and 14 year old girls parading out in bathing suits in the mags and dvds is pushing it too far, but the songs they sing about love and romance and possibly even sex are harmless. As always, it is not the product, it's what the users do with it.
Maybe I am just confident with myself that I can handle looking at young girls trying to emulate an adult image and not get aroused by it.
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Look, obviously they have some kind of talent, whether it be singing and dancing, looking cute, whatever, they are out to entertain. They aren't activists trying to change social norms, they are looking to break new ground and create new musical genres, they aren't about the sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll (my personal favorite). They simply sing easily written songs that are meant to bring some joy to some people. And that is exactly what pop music is. They must do a good job at it, look at their fan base, it's huge. Talent is subjective, always has been. Maybe you prefer a Monet painting to a Warhol, does make Warhol less talented, certainly not. Rather than just bash on someone or some group, how about learning to express your own tastes instead and just say you are not interested in them.
And for those of you thinking that the exploitation of young girls is dominate in Japan, please take a look around the world, all countries do this. America has a ton a history with this. Brittney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Lindsy Lohan (probably spelled their names wrong). And didn't we just see an article about Paris fashion pushing lingerie on the pre-teen market?
Just because you don't care for a certain style doesn't give you the right to call people talentless. Unless of course you are performing on stage in front of thousands on a weekly basis. Nah, probably just karaoke cowboys wishing they had half the talent these girls do.
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Well, I think we should put smithinjapan in charge of the situation, he always has such insightful and rational advice on hand.
Has a situation like this ever happened before, I don't think so. Thus, a lot of what is happening is trial by error. Of course it is not going to go smoothly. It seems like everyone involved is doing what needs to be done at the moment. Experts are coming in from other countries, Tepco is finally scrapping the reactors, the government is forcing stronger safety measures, clean up crews are taking precautionary measures to ensure further injuries/death do not occur. Yeas, it was slow to have all this happen, but it is happening. Yes, there is still so much more to be done. No, gloom and doom harping and finger pointing while the situation still exists does absolutely nothing to help, except maybe satisfy your own self righteous ego.
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What exactly should he have done? If he had made a press conference, would that have resolved the crisis? If he was present at the plant giving orders to his workers would they have not gone in without the proper gear? I think what "Taj" is trying to say that you cannot simply place the entire blame on one man. Yes, a crisis arose and this man failed the test, at being a public figure head. But you seriously cannot think that he really could have made any real difference in what happened. No amount of planning could really prepare anyone for a crisis such as the one that happened. It is amazing and commendable that no one was killed at the plant, and so few injured. This is a unique situation that must be looked at rationally at the moment, so that the best resolution can be reached. In a few months, when things can be taken into perspective, and the real issues can be seen, then you can place blame and get angry. Save your anger for when you can direct it better.
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Bholder, there is a big difference between praying and wishful thinking. It is not like these people will leave this shrine and do nothing to try and better their lives. I agree that those who do nothing but rely solely on their prayers are fools, but people who add praying to whatever deity comforts them are not idiots. And just maybe if you threw a ball up into the air and prayed that you were able to catch it when it came back down that prayer may give you the confidence to help you accomplish that task. I am not a religious person, I am not saying that you should add prayer to your life, but these people are not causing any harm to world by these actions.
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For those of you that posted negative opinions about the Japanese praying for financial success, get off your pious soap boxes. How do you know these people weren't at another shrine on the 1st praying for all those other more important things. And where does it say or show that these men are praying for "riches". I am sure a lot of these men have families and financial success means providing for the needs of their loved ones. No, money is not the end all to happiness, but praying for financial success is not an evil thing.
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Isn't that the idea, that if your voice is not being heard you scream louder. You make people hear what you have to say. If this ever happened, I doubt any of the social change that happened in the US during the 60's and 70's would have ever come to light. Imagine telling Dr. King to keep his voice down. (And before any of you come on here and give me crap, I am not comparing these guys to Dr. King, they are now way near the same league, it's the concept of making yourself heard) Of course most of what these guys are saying is incorrect, which is why more people need to stand up and debate the matter. As long as they don't turn to violence or disrupt businesses, let them be.
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"Disturbing the peace" and "unlawful assembly", what fascist state do you want to live in. Just because you don't believe in what there preaching doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to speak their minds. I am happy to see that some Japanese people finally have to balls to come out and express their true feelings. Maybe the other side should come out and do the same, or would you have them arrested as well?
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hmmmmmm....., Shouldn't a 46 year old man be able to btter protect himself against a 72 year old man.
Anyways, I think the son should forgive the father and not press charges. If he does and the father goes to jail, who will he be able to bum money from?
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I'm surprised at the posters here who group all teachers into one lazy, unqualified, untalented bunch. I have been in the industry for over 3 years, starting with Nova. I agree that there were many sub-par teachers, but it was because they never took the time or put the effort into becoming a better teacher (not the Nova fostered such an environment). However, there were some teachers who did strive to better their teaching abilities. They cared about their lessons, their students, and the idea that people were paying to learn a language, not just chat up a foreigner. Like any vocation in life, if you pursue perfection of your craft, you will be become better at it. As far as the money goes, has anyone been looking at jobs in America? The unemployment rate is the highest it has been in years and salaries are not what the used to be either. The money here is not horrible. It just depends on what kind of lifestyle you choose to live. I don't recommend trying to be the sole bread winner for a family, but for a single person, I seem to do just fine, better than most Japanese workers at this age. So many people want to bash the industry and say horrible things about the teachers, but the reality is that the Japanese people seem to like what they are getting. Whether that be a strong grasp of the English language, a chance to talk with a foreigner, or a simple hobby to keep them active is their choice. Betting - yes, there is a difference between between Business English and conversational English. There are different ways of introducing yourself, how to talk about your company and your position within that company, setting appointments, holding meetings and giving presentations, negotiations, there is a lot to it that you may not normally teach in regular conversation classes. These classes are usually shorter terms and very focused to achieve specific goals.
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I think you are one of the few posters that are anti-legalization that make any valid points. You have done your research, and have a well balanced argument. I just have a few more counters, and then I think it will be time to put this issue to bed for a bit.
To clarify my position on the need for laws, I believe they should be created to protect the individual from harm by others, not from harm by oneself. Drug laws are truly about keeping the choice away from the self, which is not the true purpose of law. I think this is where my argument is ultimately leading to. Yes, what about drug "x", if marijuana becomes legal, why not all drugs. I think many of the pro-posters out there might draw a line at pot, and say cocaine and heroine are not to be legalized. I disagree, all drugs should be legal, and allowed to be governed by the individual. However, with that said, as I stated before, the individual should also take full responsibility for their actions. If they decide to use a drug, become addicted, and let their lives crumble apart, they should not expect anyone, including the government, to bail them out. That is where I feel the hypocrisy lies with most pro-legalizers. When the drug is used and a positive experience happens out of it, it is because the individual, but when something negative happens, they blame the drug. When I used marijuana, I never blamed it for any of my shortcomings, nor did I contribute any of my successes to it, that was my own will at work. I have experimented with many other drugs, some which I couldn't handle or disliked the affects, thus I never did them again. I'm sure there are many people out there with the same experience as me, and I'm sure there are many people who caused great pain to themselves, but that is the beauty of having choice. To be regulated and molded into a clone for the benefit of the majority is the worst evil out there. It would be too difficult at this point of society to just change the laws and allow the individual complete freedom, especially with drugs, but we need to start moving toward laws that don't punish for self inflicted pain, or bliss if you are lucky. To answer your question would I use again, well, if it was legalized, sure I would. But not because I am an addict. I don't need it to function. It is just an enjoyable thing to me, like having a nice glass of wine or scotch. I don't think I would use it as often as I did in the US, because the people that I associate with don't use it and for me it is a very social thing to do. I look forward to your next reply, and say thanks in advance for the discussion. Curious to see what the next big debate will be.
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Let me go deeper into this idea of laws and legislature attempting to dictate our lives. What is good for us, what is bad for us? Who should decide this? The second the government starts creating laws regarding this issue, then we begin to lose our individual choice. Being penalized for making a choice about self, deciding our own fate as you say, is not freedom. I used sugar and salt as an extreme case before, but really look at it. They have negative side affects, they cause serious health problems, and try asking someone with a horrible diet of 10 plus years to change their ways, pretty impossible. Based upon this, and according to your stance, shouldn't these substances have legislation created to regulate them? Whether or not they have been legal or illegal in the past is irrelevant. And really, Marijuana has only been illegal in Japan for about 60 years. In a country with a culture thousands of years old, 60 years is a very short time. And why stop at substances, how about activities? Like watching t.v.? Sitting in front a t.v. 6 to 8 hours a day can cause obesity, can limit the mind from growing, again negative side affects, so let's regulate how much t.v people are allowed to watch. Obviously these are extreme cases, but that is what your stance is really about, telling people what they can and can't do with their own lives, removing the greatest individual tenant - choice. Getting back to the more specific argument of marijuana and addiction, again that is based on the individual, you just can't make a blanket statement that anyone 10 plus years can't quit. I use myself as an example. I used marijuana from about the age of 19 until age 35, 16 years. I have been living in Japan for 3 years, I don't smoke anymore (combination of being afraid of the strict laws and no real contacts). But it was quite easy to give up. Not that everyone can do this, but some people can. Addiction is a personality issue, and a person who is an addict of anything will always find substitute addictions. How many of those US rehab center guests leave there smoking and drinking coffee, ever been to an AA meeting? How does legalizing a plant not protect an individual's freedom of choice?
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So if I understand your last post, then as long as a majority is okay with something then it should be legal? That just doesn't make sense. I understand the basic premise, but issues of legality should not be based upon majority rules. Laws should truly only be used to protect the individual, they should not dictate societies' morals. They should protect against doing harm to others, and to uphold contracts between people. They should not determine what I decide to do with my life. If health related issues are a factor in creating laws, then how soon will things like sugar or salt be outlawed? I know that is extreme, but that is what your position would lead to. As for marijuana and other recreational vices, yes they cause damage, but that should be the individuals right to inflict that upon themselves, it should be their choice. At the same time however, if some one chooses that path, and ends up in a bad situation, they should also be responsible for taking care of themselves. I very much dislike people using the drug addiction cop out when it comes to violent crimes. If you truly want a healthy society, let the individual decide their own fate, including the choice to use marijuana.
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Look, marijuana is like any other vice, and it's addictive nature is really more about the individual user. I'm sure there have been many lives ruined by marijuana use, but I am also sure there are many lives that have been enhanced by it as well. We could go tit for tat all night trading stories, but what really needs to be looked at is the individual and their actions. If a person can lead a productive life, contribute to society in a positive way, not harm others, and use marijuana, then there is not justification in punishing them. As the article says, I doubt marijuana will ever become legal in Japan, but the laws and penalties regarding it need to be adjusted. If a drunk driver can get away with just a fine, how can you justify jail time for smoking marijuana. Your blanket argument doesn't work.
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Any of you who are saying this girl looks bad, give me a break. You telling me that if she came to your house with the DVD set you wouldn't want to snuggle up next to her on the couch, watch a few episodes, and then do some of your own special investigating?
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