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Posted in: Japan to curb asylum seekers' right to work from Monday See in context

Or you could just edit the article to remove the reference that is misleading and unclear. It lower the quality of the page when a misunderstanding is the major source of reader comment. Cheers.

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Posted in: Japan to curb asylum seekers' right to work from Monday See in context

Many commenters have noted that the figure of 417,383 people seems absurd.

I would place a heavy bet that the data in the original Japanese is 延べ 417383人.

延べ(nobe) is a nightmare for translators as it simply means "cumulative".

However it provides no clue as to how the cumulative calculation was conducted.

This is why the articles says "The figure includes those detained more than once during the year, however" .

This creates the impression that we are counting people who were detained, released and detained again and that the repeat detainees are a minority of the total. Neither of these implications is likely true.

Based on various translations of various reports I have done over the years, I would say it is far more likely that they have simply added the daily totals of people in detention on each night to create a yearly total (which is essentially meaningless).

If you divide 417,383 by 365 you get 1143, which is well within the 1,800 capacity mentioned by bullfighter, above, and a number that tallies more closely with common sense, given that there are fewer than 3 million foreigners in Japan in total, legal or illegal, and a very small population in detention.

Here is an example of how Nobe is often used.

Imagine a ski resort says it has 'Nobe' 100-thousand customers over the month. This will simply be a total from each day added together, so anyone staying at the resort and ski-ing over multiple days is counted as a separate individual on each day. There is no way to tell how many actual individuals visited the resort, nor the proportion of day trippers, weekenders or students on their winter break going virtually every day in the month.

This method of counting is favored when it is difficult to figure out who is a repeat visitor and who is not. It is also favored by organizers of events who want to inflate attendance for whatever reason.

It is of course completely inappropriate for a detention situation, even if the underlying 'logic' behind the repetition and accumulation is the same.

The figures were presumably released by the Immigration Department. Perhaps they have a vested interest in making the numbers sound large, both to frighten the population as to the scope of the immigrant scourge, and also to justify their budgets (although you would think the bean counters in the finance ministry are familiar with 'Nobe' shenanigans.

Given that the information in this comment will completely change how most readers interpret this article, I hope that JT could do me the favor of bumping it up the page. Cheers

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Posted in: 2017 imported vehicle sales in Japan highest in 20 years See in context

@BB - I think the figures for Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers are for vehicles made abroad and re-imported back to Japan, so maybe it excludes the domestic production which, as you rightly say, would be a lot larger. Cheers

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Posted in: Japanese cram school gives students permission to smash window, break into building on test day See in context

OK, sorry, you are right, that was unnecessary. I take it back but can't edit or delete. So I 'll just leave this apology here. Have a good weekend.

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Posted in: Restaurant manager arrested for shooting dozens of toothpicks into face of employee with toy crossbow See in context

So after the story the other day about the woman tattooed against her will on her 'butt', now we have another story about horrific physical abuse coupled with (in places) a light-hearted frat boy tone.

Is this going to be a new trend? Are we going for the Logan Paul vibe here?

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Posted in: Japanese cram school gives students permission to smash window, break into building on test day See in context

Guys, guys, guys, what is with all the outrage? It is explained (imperfectly) in the final paragraph.

But @nemuizZ thinks there might be a subtler purpose to the sign. Even with their school’s permission, many teens would feel a natural resistance to break into the building, especially if they knew they’d also have to run from the police. So @nemuizZ’s theory is that by putting the sign up ahead of time and spelling out the undesirable scenario that could unfold, it’ll encourage students to be extra-diligent about not leaving anything behind in the classroom.

If you can read Japanese and understand the tone, the whole post is clearly a warning, in the form of ridiculous parody advice, to make sure the kids don't leave anything behind. The idea in Japanese culture that responsible adults would suggest kids take action that would result in them having to run from the police is so ludicrous that this can only be interpreted in this comedic way. It gets people attention, and its very well done.

The reason I say that the final paragraph explains the situation imperfectly is that it uses the phrase "even with their school’s permission". This is not correct. As the statement is not serious, the school is not granting "permission" at all. They credit their kids with enough intelligence to realize this.

I am surprised to see so many people failing to catch this interpretation and taking the statement at face value.

In the UK, it might be true that the police have given up even chasing people who, say, shop lift less than 100 pounds worth of goods. But in Japan, any trouble with the police can ruin your life and reputation. This knowledge should be enough to confirm that the school is not seriously suggesting students should break in and try to evade officers on the way out. If the statement simply said only 'feel free to break in but you would have to pay us for the damage' then the jury might be out on whether the advice was genuine or not but adding 'you'll have to be quick as the police will be their in three minutes' clearly marks this out as fake news.

I would not be surprised if they have staff at the school on the morning as others have suggested. They are just trying to help the kids by coming up with a novel way of attracting their attention and encouraging them to get their stuff together.

Most stupid and dangerous idea imo. Wasting police time. Criminal damage. Possible injury to students. The person who thought of this idea needs a reality check. Get your lazy butt into the office early on this day, if you think the problem exists.

Absolute irony bypass here mate, sorry.

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Posted in: Tokyo man arrested for forcibly tattooing his initials into the butt of a maid cafe employee See in context

Agree with the above posters.

While the major issue is obviously assault and not the language used, the word 'butt' here is really jarring and odd. The fact that it stays here on your front page represents a major lack editorial judgement.

It shows a lack of awareness of how language and communication works.

As a very casual word, it has a knock-on effect on the rest of the piece, even having the effect of making the "This ostensibly makes him her boss, adding another layer of horror to her abuse." sound slightly sarcastic (although I am sure this is unintended).

Either way, both author and editor need to up their game here.

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Posted in: Trump book author says his revelations will bring down U.S. president See in context


Super lib commented

Trump owes our people tens of millions for his fake university

You replied

So you don’t think going to a place like Harvard and paying over $50K a year is not a ripoff?

I have to say that of all the crazy stuff you have posted in defense of Trump since his election, this is by far the most bananas. It is valuable though to have your comments as it reveals just how detached from the real world Trump supporters are and how you will do anything to support him, even completely defying logic.

So let's break this down.

Do you know what 'high pressure sales tactics' are? They are well-known, well-documented techniques for persuading people to part with their money and buy something they do not really want or need. One of the key techniques this: you offer someone something for free that piques their interest. when they attend your course/lecture/seminar or whatever, instead of actually giving them any information, you spent the entire time telling them that if they pay you just a small amount of money, you will let them in on a secret.

A proportion of your audience will take up the offer and decide to spend the $50, $100 or whatever. Then, once they've spent the money, instead of actually revealing the secret, you spend the entire time telling them that now, if they pony up $1000 they will be let in on the 'real secret'.

This is psychologically extremely clever. If the mark walks away without buying the thousand dollar course they have wasted $100. However, cognitive dissonance does not allow them to believe they are stupid enough to have paid $100 for no reason. They don't want to waste the money they have already sunk, so they take the plunge and go further, thinking that this will justify the expense.

Of course, once they pay the thousand dollars, the special course consists of nothing more than sales patter to convince them that if they really want to find out the 'final' truth, they need to stump up say, $30,000. Now it's even more difficult to say no, or they will have to admit to themselves that they have just wasted $1000. And of course the $30,000 course still does not magically transform the buyer (who can ill-afford to lose the 30-thousand) into a real estate magnate.

These are the techniques allegedly used by Trump University. These accusations are documented by Trump University employees in the depositions given to the court. This is all public knowledge. What's worse is that these fraudulent up-selling techniques were, according to the depositions, combined with attempts to get people to max out their credit cards to pay for this nonsense. This information is again, all in the court depositions.

You might think the depositions are false, maybe someone with an ax to grind, but the man you wanted to be the leader of the "free world", the man who you seem so determined to defend all costs, paid $25 million to settle so you can't pull the 'nothing burger' response here.

It's utterly unbelievable that a guy who behaves like this is not only now the most leader man in the world, but also has the support of right-wing Christians who see themselves as upstanding moral people who would not trick someone out of a dime.

The only reason that Trump University is not a bigger issue is that it has been swamped by the continuous stream of craziness that has happened before and since.

$25 million to settle fraud for a "University" allegedly run on well-known pressure selling principles with absolutely no academic content. And your response is:

"Well, it costs $50,000 to study at Harvard, so that's just as bad, isn't it?"

Are you saying that Harvard also uses psychologically-based up-selling techniques and escalation to scam people into buying something of no value? Is that really what you are saying?

If you want to defend your guy at all costs, then that is your right, but just remember that the rest of us can see that your arguments do not really stand up.

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Posted in: Japan on Olympic drive to get rid of squat toilets See in context

While they are improving washrooms for the Olympics, perhaps the government could encourage JR to add some hot water, soap and dryers to their station washrooms?

Totally disgusting how in many stations, including Shinjuku, the busiest station in the world, the only option for tourists caught short without their own detergent / towel would be to not wash at all or simply wet their hands in cold water.

Given that most people will be arriving in Japan thinking it is some kind of hi-tech country, I doubt many of these visitors will realize they have to carry their own supplies around if they want to be hygienic.


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Posted in: Sony Pictures plans to release Slender Man movie See in context

Geyser, now 15, pleaded guilty to attempted first-degree intentional homicide in a deal with prosecutors, who have asked she get at least 40 years in a mental hospital when she's sentenced in February

> Sony Pictures plans to release a "Slender Man" movie this spring

You might all think that this seems like a pretty scummy thing to do, but Sony is an honorable company so I'm sure the timing is just coincidence.

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Posted in: No. of Japanese tourists to Guam plunging on N Korea missile scare See in context

I sometimes visit Hawaii and am always satisfied. I would not really consider paying slightly less to go to Guam considering flight time is only marginally shorter.

Guam is four hours away. Hawaii is eight.

This means a two or three night break is feasible for Guam but rather ridiculous for Hawaii.

Not sure I would use the phrase 'marginally shorter'.

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Posted in: Mitsubishi says it is on track to deliver long-delayed jets by 2020 See in context

It is very interesting to see psychologically how this works.

Mitsubishi is going to be seven years late with their plane. Yet ANA are still standing by them.

If this was a non-Japanese manufacturer, they would have cancelled the deal long ago, with all the attendant bad publicity, which would reinforce the widely held belief that foreigners are unreliable and can't do things properly.

However, as it is, it is a Japanese firm that is failing to get its act together and the issue just keeps trundling along. The lack of drastic action and subsequent wall-to-wall media coverage of a huge dispute allows people to kind of ignore what is happening, and hang on to the belief that Japanese companies are, by default, far more trustworthy than their overseas counterparts.

Obviously, people in all countries of the world cut their own some slack (and maybe there is government pressure on ANA not to pull out) but in this case it is more than a little jarring due to the kind of statements you will hear local people come out with about Japanese reliability, efficient and on time delivery and whining that foreigners can't do things properly (comments which you will have heard if you have worked for a Japanese manufacturer).

It is almost as if incidents that confirm existing prejudices are widely trumpeted while those that do not are quietly forgotten about.

Anyway, I hope they get the aircraft ready eventually. It will be cool for Japan to have its own domestic-made plane.

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Posted in: 'The Last Jedi' is a hit but how much did audiences like it? See in context


Wait a second, are you saying any movie with black and Asian lead actors will always suck?

It sounds like you are saying that when there is a choice between a non-white and white actor, selecting a white actor will always make the movie more enjoyable and selecting a non-white actor will always spoil your fun.

So you can only enjoy a movie if the leads are the same race as you are?

What happened to you to make you racist?

I feel sorry for you. How sad that your enjoyment of a movie is so affected by the race of the cast.

Life must be a struggle for you having to see all these brown faces everywhere.

If only they all went back to their own country, eh?

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Posted in: Shiga Pref men have longest life expectancy among men in Japan; Nagano for women See in context

@Dango bong, come on mate, you know that makes no sense!

It is not like there is only one factor involved. Maybe due to other lifestyle factors, including diet and exercise, Japanese people are destined to live much longer and then the smoking reduces that difference but not enough to overturn it completely?

If more people in Japan quit, maybe the lifespan gap would be even larger?

Why would you just rule that out as a possibility and declare there is no link?

(P.S. disgusting habit, especially in restaurants where it shows a complete lack of manners)

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Posted in: Democrat Jones wins U.S. Senate seat in Alabama in blow to Trump See in context

Posters seem to be ignoring a key issue in Moore's defeat.

There was a high turnout of black voters and 96% of them voted against Moore, which might have something to do with him saying this:

“I think the US was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction.”

He said this in response to a question about 'when was America previously great?'.

This is a fantastic question, as MAGA clearly implies that the US was better in the past, but at any time prior to 1965 the US had legally institutionalized racial discrimination, so anyone who identifies the 'was great' period as prior to 1965 is a racist by definition. Note also that more does not include black people in the definition of 'families' and implies that they are not part of 'our country'.

@bassforfunk - so what do you think about Trump endorsing this guy after he said this, given that you are continually telling us how 'not racist' Trump is?

(I would also like to ask you about his full-page newspaper advert calling for the death of the Central Park Five (later proved innocent) and his campaigns to keep black people out of his rental properties, but I guess we cannot go into that without getting off topic, so we'll save that for another thread)

Anyway, it goes without saying, but suggesting that America was better during slavery completely disregards the well-being of African Americans as a factor in when the US was closest to the society it should aim to be. Totally discounting the rights and happiness of one racial group is virtually the definition of racism.

For most ordinary politicians, these sorts of extreme views would be a deal breaker.

Not for Trump though.

Why wasn't this a deal breaker for Trump, your friendly 'non-racist'?

Because 'good people on both sides?' maybe?

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Posted in: Japan considers 10 consecutive days off around crown prince's succession See in context

Firstly, I hope his Imperial Majesty enjoys a long and healthy retirement.

On the holidays though:

If there are 10 days off, it is of course a boon for employees who can claim a salary.

But what about independent contractors, freelancers and small businesses who, unless working on long term project, might then forced to go 10 days with reduced or no income?

Many people work independently providing services to larger companies and are forced to go without earnings for at least some of the period their clients are not operating. This happens every year around the New Year, Golden Week and O-bon. It is to an extend unavoidable and a prudent contractor will seek a longer term project or budget for the shortfall.

But isn't a 10 day break just making life unnecessarily difficult and ignoring the needs of these workers to an unacceptable degree?

I wonder if any of the politicians advocating this have thought of people in this position?

Admittedly the 10 day period contains 2 weekends so some people might think it is not as bad as it sounds, but it still quite a blow to the wallet, given that when major businesses are operating, contractors (be they system engineers, website designers, translators, or printing firms) frequently get work on a Friday for Monday delivery.

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Posted in: Australian lawmaker proposes to same-sex partner on floor of parliament See in context

The House of Commons in the UK...tends to be more about ad hominems, people telling us that the previous administration were even more incompetent than they are, and others making farmyard noises. 

I’m not too familiar with the Australian Parliament. Is it any better?

No, it is not.

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Posted in: Court finds constitutional male-only denial of legal fatherhood See in context

In such a situation, is the real father not allowed to claim paternity?

No he is not. According to Article 772 of the Civil Code, a child born more than 200 days after the day of a marriage and within 300 days of the end of a marriage are automatically the child of the legal husband, and that status cannot be challenged. That is why the woman only had the choice of registering with the "wrong" father or not registering the kid at all.

I read years ago this provision was originally introduced to protect kids born around the time of the dissolution of a relationship to prevent both the old guy and the new guy denying the kid was theirs, leaving them with no father to support them. This is enforced even if it results in the father being the wrong guy and someone the mother is specifically trying to remove from her life.

The biological father, for his part, simply has no claim and no means at all of asserting paternity if the birth occurs while the mother is married to someone else or if the mother is recently divorced. (The 300 days was recently amended to 100 days following a court case, but of course that is still long enough to cause problems, particularly when parents are separated already).

With DNA testing now available, even the 100-day law is still ridiculous, but well....because Japanese politicians.

Maybe DNA testing will be referenced in an amended law eventually. Let's hope.

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Posted in: Police question Hakuho as witness in assault case See in context

The TV news this morning said that Hakuho was interviewed for 7.5 hours, which seems a little excessive for an innocent witness.

I think clamenza may be right.

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Posted in: Sumo grand champion Harumafuji retires over assault See in context


Hakuho is popular, and that helps him. He may not realize it, but he may also be walking on thin ice.  There is muttering about his unkind habit of pushing opponents off the dohyo AFTER they have clearly lost. There was resentment when he spoke at length in Mongolian in a yusho interview a few tournaments back.... There has been severe criticism of his bad decision to raise his hand to call for the judges after losing his bout on the 13th day

This is what I am talking about: the most dominant, skillful, powerful wrestler the sport has ever seen and does he get respect? No, he gets sniping, constantly about this, that and the other.

I disagree that he does not realize he is on thin ice though. I think he knows it all too well and is fed up with it.

In the bout on Day 14, when he needed a win to take the tourney, did you notice how he led with his elbow/upper arm (kachiage), a technique he has been criticized for using in the past, even though it is within the rules written by the Sumo Association themselves?

I took that as a big "screw you all". Maybe that's just me.

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Posted in: Sumo grand champion Harumafuji retires over assault See in context

@Droll Quarry

There was indeed a photo of his head. The cut looked very deep and nasty.

So I don't think it is in dispute that he was hit quite hard.

But there is a big difference between a horrible looking cut and a fractured skull / leaking cerebrospinal fluid.

Even with the cut, it is unacceptable and violent, but it is additional potentially life-threatening injuries listed on the medical form that have people questioning Takanohana's motives.

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Posted in: Sumo grand champion Harumafuji retires over assault See in context

Everything you describe above also includes the sumo wrestlers from Bulgaria, Georgia and many other countries whom people don't get to see on TV.

I would imagine they had it difficult too. They were not as successful as the Mongolians though. It has to be particularly hard for the top Mongolian wrestlers, who are so strong and dominant, to still have people still whine about them and their lack of hinkaku (which I will translate as dignify and grace as personified by a good Japanese), a set of ever moving criteria which they can never hope to satisfy.

How do you explain Hakuho? HIs popularity?

I agree that a number of people do love Hakuho and it is great. Quite a lot don't though, which, if you read Japanese, you can see for yourself in the way that he is slated in forums online all the time for all manner of infractions, both real and imagined.

Maybe I'm pushing it trying to generate sympathy for a man who has come to Japan and made millions from the Japanese public, but unfortunately he does not have anything like the sort of universal acclaim you would expect for his status as probably the best wrestler the sport has ever seen.

I can't spend time cutting and pasting quotes, but please go ahead and find any story on, for example, Yahoo! Japan, read the Japanese comments, and then come back and tell us if everyone loves Hakuho. I know the internet can bring out the worst in people so maybe it is not a representative sample, but the vitriol he gets is remarkable.

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Posted in: Dentsu to pay Y2.4 billion for overtime work See in context

Utter scum.

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Posted in: Sumo grand champion Harumafuji retires over assault See in context

Was this whole thing a set-up to get rid of foreign yokozuna?

Well that is the elephant in the room here. Look at the actors in this drama - Harumafuji's stable master, Takanoiwa's stable master, the head of the sumo association: they are all former yokozuna.

If the sumo association is run by former yokozuna then, as Mongolian's currently dominate, it stands to reason that the sumo association will be (would have been?) dominated by Monogolian-born wrestlers at some point in the future if "nothing is done".

It is amazing how this obvious angle never gets referred to.

Notwithstanding that omission, there was a remarkable section on Fuji TV this morning (a channel not known for highlighting of foreigners rights issues) saying how, when the wrestlers tour the country in the "off-season" Takanohana treats all the Mongolians with total disrespect, ignoring them when they greet him and leaving the ringside when the Mongolian yokozuna start their practice, even though he has already watched everyone else.

A story was even told about Takanohana instructing a bus driver to leave when Hakuho and his entourage were five minutes late - the speaker claimed to have seen this first hand but the other studio guests refused to believe it as it seems so outrageous.

This was all on Fuji TV's "Tokudane" at around 8 this morning.

Anyway, in a story that could easily be editorialized as "foreign wrestler is violent, foreigners are out of order", there was a surprising emphasis on the discrimination faced by the Mongolians and how much tension and stress they must be under as they try to make it in Japan. Of course, there was no discussion of how the tendency in Japan to constantly emphasize the difference betweenJapanese / not-Japanese in all situations and at all times can cause stress and feelings of alienation in the parties so excluded, but, for the Japanese media, it was pretty revolutionary stuff. Dave Spector was on the panel, so fair play to him if he had any influence on the discussion.

I've commented on before on how the deck is stacked against the Mongolians. The Monogolian guys learn Japanese and devote themselves to the culture. When they win, they have to stand under the Japanese flag and listen to the Japanese national anthem, which they do without complaint. When they retire, if they want to own a stable they have to give up their Mongolian nationality (which puts the in them impossible position of being forced to chose whether to continue in the sport they have dedicated themselves to or whether to dishonor their parents). They have already given up their Mongolian names.

Despite all this, when there were no Japanese Yokozuna, the media went on about the public 'longing' to see a Japanese yokozuna in the ring. It is natural to support your countrymen, but weren't the Mongolian Yokozuna indirectly being told that, despite their sacrifice, they were not really welcome?

None of this justifies violence. But then we also have the peculiar matter of how Takanoiwa's medical reports, as submitted by Takanohana when filing the police complaint, claimed Takanoiwa had a suspected fractured skull and leaking cerebrospinal fluid. Of course this made the police pay attention.

The thing is this: Takanoiwa was photographed smiling at training the following day and them making a courtesy visit to a local city hall in Fukuoka. This would seem difficult with a fractured skull. Maybe he was genuinely injured and it suddenly got worse. That said, despite the skull fracture, the report said he would heal in two weeks (and it was conveniently issued around two weeks after the event).

But remember the wrestler who died after a beating a few years ago? Although he was beaten black and blue, the first doctor to examine the body said he died of natural causes. So it is a matter of public record that there are doctors prepared to bend the truth when asked to do so by a stable master.

This an angle which the media also fail to discuss.

The true extent of Takanoiwa's injuries will probably never be known.

So first Asashoryu and now Harumafuji. Maybe they should just get it over with and ban foreign wrestlers, as perhaps some people would prefer?

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Posted in: Ex-Abe cabinet member makes discriminatory remark about Africans See in context

Having lived in Japan for around 20 years and worked as an interpreter, I can tell you all reliably that this sounds even worse in Japanese than most of you seem to think it does.


...could be translated as 'why does he like these black ones?'

While not really a fair transition, it is dangerously close to 'why does he like these black things?'

As everyone knows, Japanese often drops the subject of a sentence, so English renderings are difficult.

Here we have just the adjective 'black' with no noun to attached it to, so we just have to go on his tone. Notwithstanding the tendency in Japanese to drop nouns in regular, neutral speech, it comes across as really harsh when the dropped subject is a person / group of people. If the person / people are not referred to directly and only the adjective is used, it emphasizes the adjective and can make it sound pejorative.

Sure, it is possible to make a positive sentence like 'I'm delighted to have such a talented guy join the team' (あんな素晴らしいのがチームに入って嬉しいよ)with the same adjective "no noun" construction, but it is pretty informal and only works in an explicitly positive context.

Here, the politician is questioning why someone does a certain thing (with the subtext that doing so is a bad idea) so the positive context is lacking.

The あんな also emphasizes the context, making it more positive or more negative.

なんであんなじゃまなものを持ってきたか? Why did you bring something that will only get in the way?

なんであんな高いのを買ってきたか? Why did you buy something so expensive?

In these examples, あんなamplifies the negative context.

So we can see that the questioning tone of 'why does he like these black ones?' combines with the amplifier あんな, and together with stress on the adjective and the lack of a noun, it sounds like he is saying being black is a bad thing, and helping black people is a bad thing too.

That is why, even though there is not so much racially sensitivity in Japan, this fuss is on the news. It's because it sounds totally and undeniable horrendous to the Japanese ear - lumping black people together as a group, making their blackness sound negative, and questioning why anyone would want a positive relationship with "people like that".

As for his explanation that he is talking about the 'dark continent', it is, as any of your Japanese friends will tell you, utter nonsense. I can't believe some of you are taking it seriously. Of course the reason he is scrabbling with such a nonsensical explanation is because he has realized how badly he comes across, and he is desperately trying to backpedal with no room for maneuver.

There is no logical wayあんな黒いの [that black one / those black ones] can be referring to Africa, even if it is known a the dark continent.

In some ways though, I'm not sad he said it. It is sometimes helpful to know how people really feel. The LDP's lack of a filter is a useful means of finding out how they really see the world.

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Posted in: One of the difficulties of translating Trump’s tweets is honestly that he uses such childish and informal grammar that the translator is almost at risk of not sounding entirely credible. [You’d lose face]. He also has a tendency to use a lot of buzzwords and even slang that could be tricky to translate coherently into Japanese. See in context


I have just noticed that you have said you are bilingual.

Do you think could you translate and post the two examples I put up in this thread into Japanese without making Trump sound all over the place?


"I have no problem explaining to another what anyone has said, including Donald Trump".

Please go ahead!

I think this site lets you post in Japanese. I would love to see what you can come up with.

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Posted in: One of the difficulties of translating Trump’s tweets is honestly that he uses such childish and informal grammar that the translator is almost at risk of not sounding entirely credible. [You’d lose face]. He also has a tendency to use a lot of buzzwords and even slang that could be tricky to translate coherently into Japanese. See in context


Funny stuff indeed. You can't deny that Trump sounds like a total ignoramus in the example I posted (which is unedited by the way, check the video on the accompanying link), so it seems that you make the claim that the world salad above is not a representative sample of the way he speaks without a teleprompter. Come on! You know this is exactly the sort of free-associative nonsense he comes out with all the time.

My assessment is not based on one paragraphy. As browny1 points out, I put it there just as any example. Look at the speech he gave to the boy scouts for example. The President of the US talking to impressionable young minds, and what does he chose to talk about? Among other things, he talks about who is hottest on the NY social scene! The way he speaks, the things he chooses to say - it's not normal, is it?

But let me see if I understand you correctly - are you seriously going to argue that I have cherry-picked a passage of meaningless verbiage from an otherwise eloquent man? Really? I don't think you'll find too much support for that position.

Look at his interview with the NY Times.

Read it all. Please. Tell me what you think. Does he come across as educated? Rational? Sincere? Concerned with running the country or concerned with himself?

Well, there are plenty of beauties in here. This is one I found in about 10 seconds.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree accusing me of lacking examples...

TRUMP: You know the hottest day ever was in 1890-something, 98. You know, you can make lots of cases for different views. I have a totally open mind.

My uncle was for 35 years a professor at M.I.T. He was a great engineer, scientist. He was a great guy. And he was … a long time ago, he had feelings — this was a long time ago — he had feelings on this subject. It’s a very complex subject. I’m not sure anybody is ever going to really know. I know we have, they say they have science on one side but then they also have those horrible emails that were sent between the scientists. Where was that, in Geneva or wherever five years ago? Terrible. Where they got caught, you know, so you see that and you say, what’s this all about. I absolutely have an open mind. I will tell you this: Clean air is vitally important. Clean water, crystal clean water is vitally important. Safety is vitally important.

And you know, you mentioned a lot of the courses. I have some great, great, very successful golf courses. I’ve received so many environmental awards for the way I’ve done, you know. I’ve done a tremendous amount of work where I’ve received tremendous numbers. Sometimes I’ll say I’m actually an environmentalist and people will smile in some cases and other people that know me understand that’s true. Open mind.

There are plenty of other examples. Face it, your guy can't hold a coherent thought and makes no sense at all.

While we are on the subject of the NY Times, you might also want to ponder why he called the NYTimes the "failing New York Times" when they criticized him, "A Great, Great American Jewel" the one time they were slightly nice to him, and back to the "failing New York Times" as soon as they criticized him again.

His entire communication strategy changes back and forth depending on whether a particular individual is praising or criticizing what he is doing at that particularly moment in time. Exactly like a toddler.

"Mummy gave me an ice cream. I love her." "Mummy told me I can't have another ice cream. I hate her".

Back and forth, back and forth. Trump's only concern is what people think of Trump. One day you'll look back and wonder how you got taken for a ride like this.

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Posted in: One of the difficulties of translating Trump’s tweets is honestly that he uses such childish and informal grammar that the translator is almost at risk of not sounding entirely credible. [You’d lose face]. He also has a tendency to use a lot of buzzwords and even slang that could be tricky to translate coherently into Japanese. See in context


and by the way, the topic is his TWEETS. So yeah wouldnt be any complete sentences, complete thoughts or standard grammar. But whatever fits the Trump is stupid narrative, go for it.

Unfortunately, the problem is not just his tweets though is it?

It's every time he talks without a scriptwriter.

Take a look at the famous example below. I'm guessing you've seen it already.

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us".

Going back to our topic, this sort of 'word salad' is obviously a nightmare for a translator. It is strange that anyone would think otherwise. Why would you deny that Trump communicates by simply stringing together whatever thoughts come into his head? The evidence is right there this video.

It is interesting that we have professional translators on this thread testifying that Trump makes no sense while we have Trump supporters, without knowledge of linguistics, contradicting the professional translators in their desperation to support their man.

By the way, the lack of logical thought shown by Trump, as revealed in his language usage, is one of the reasons why people, both on the left and on the right, just cannot trust him (now George H.W. has revealed he voted for Hilary, you can't just blame "the left", unless you now think George H.W. is a leftist).

If are a Trump supporter and wondering why people are always calling you names and suggesting you are 'stupid' or a 'moron', well, you just need to look at the above. How can anyone read through that and think "this is a man I trust, this is a man who should have responsibility, this is a man who should lead"?

Honestly, Bass, Blacklabel, I don't wish to be rude, but what did you guys learn in school? Do you really read the above text, watch the above video, and think, yeah, that's sensible and coherent, that's the man that needs to be the most powerful person on the planet.

I just don't get it. We don't even need to get on to the p**** grabbing, the bone spurs, the $25 million, dollar settlement for defrauding elderly people, the lying about Muslim's celebrating 9/11, the lying about not being able to release his tax return because it is under audit (actually, whatever happened to that?) and all the other nonsense.

Trump's untranslatable communication style should be enough to disqualify him from the presidency as it is obvious that someone who cannot communicate cannot grasp information and someone who cannot grasp information cannot make good decisions.

Why do you support him? If you like his economic policy and protectionist agenda, surely there is a better communicator more adequately equipped to put those plans in place?

Did your schoolteachers talk like this? Your fathers? Your priests? Does anyone else you respect communicate like this?. It's just the disorganized babble of a conman and millions of us are completely unable to understand why some of you cannot recognize it.

He's like a cult leader who spouts nonsense to his nodding followers - the nodding followers are afraid to admit that it is nonsense, even though, in their hearts, they no their naked Emperor makes no sense at all.

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Hi, what is meaningless about that post ? Obviously, the situation would not go on forever like this and it is a bit of a joke but it illustrates a real point: if everyone has weapons all the time, the wrong people will end up getting shot. Didn't an off-duty black cop going to help his buddies get shot in the US just the other day?

Are you denying that these cases of mistaken identity would decrease if more people carried?

I'm not sure what your point is.

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Posted in: Trump says tougher gun laws not answer after Texas shooting See in context


Just out of curiosity, do you think society would be safer if all people were armed all the time?

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