Obama's primary achievement was the divide he created
Isn't it funny how a lot of right-wingers will blame a black guy for supposedly "dividing the country" and then also pretend they're NOT racist? And do stuff like claim the only black president in history was not born in America and is a muslim, like that's really the best way to unite a country? Yeah...
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No..rejected by majority of left aligned americans.
Lost the popular votre by 7 million, lost the electoral college and 63% of Americans never want to see him in politics ever again.
So, by all standards and polls, according to you, the majority of America is now "left aligned".
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Yes, the big problem is four years on and the "Make America Great" movement has only sprouted.
You mean it "sprouted" by losing the Senate, the Congress and the presidential election? Proving that it has been overwhelmingly rejected by the majority of americans?
That's and interesting way of seeing things I guess.
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Now China is suffering a lot because of Trump trade tariff.
No, it really isn't. China's economy is the only one that has already recovered from Covid and is doing pretty good right now, so... No. In the end the tariffs only really hurt American people.
China’s economy is growing faster now than before the coronavirus pandemic
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I still need explanation from Trump haters here, why do you support China so much?
What you need is not "explanation", but to stop using such incredibly dishonest strawman arguments.
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There are 25,000 National Guard troopers in Washington to protect Biden because
...because there was a violent Coup attempt two weeks ago when the Capitol was attacked. 5 people died. Maybe you missed it?
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The far left spends all day, every day, complaining about white people.
What exactly is "the far left" in America? Can you name their leaders and policy-makers? How many "anti-white" legislations have been introduced in the past ten years?
It is true that there exists a minority of crazy far-left people on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook. But that's just what it is. A minority of crazy people on some social networks. It's not reality and you can't accept them as a representation of reality, not matter how big of a story fox news makes out of them. (It would be like concluding that everyone on the internet is a furry after spending one hour on 4chan.)
Thousands of people, a lot with confederate flags (=racists) and nazi tatoos (=super racists), invading the Capitol building really happened two weeks ago. That's a reality.
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The far left has become anti-white; tacit approval of them means being a racist sympathizer.
And this is what I mean by "cultist brainwash".
The only people complaining about an imagined "anti-white racism" are full-blown racists.
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The two sides literally despise each other.
I personally don't despise Trump supporters. I feel bad for them because they have been and are still being played for suckers by a conman. Some have fallen so far into the rabbit's hole that it's close to a cultist brainwash. Most of them are victims and they need help more than scorn.
But I do despise nazis and racists though.
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the fact is that both Trump & Biden and Republicans & Democrats, are as bad as each other
...but they really aren't though, are they? Because one side tries to base its decisions, viewpoints and policies on actual facts, and the other one...doesn't. And only one side always wants to claim the two are equally as bad, because it helps their agenda.
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If interference is possible (I'm not saying whether it did or didn't happen) in one year, then it's also possible in another unless major reforms had been done to improve vote integrity.
You are confusing influence and interference. Russia influenced the 2016 election, it's a provable fact and all intelligence agencies agree on that. But nobody said they hacked or infiltrated the voting systems or compromised "vote integrity", because that didn't happen. They influenced the course of the election, but they didn't actively intefere with the actual voting.
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It’s been over 75 years now - How much time needs to pass before a country can move on ?
It's hard to move on when the guilty party refuses to admit it did anything wrong.
As an example, Germany handled its horrible legacy in the best way possible.
Japan really didn't. It almost did, and then a bunch of right-wing idiots came and stayed in power.
Can Congo demand money from Belgium for the atrocities that happened to them ? - just over 100 years ago.
They actually should.
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I do, the best deals are closed over a few ales.
Needing to get people drunk to close deals does not exactly shine a favorable light on your skills as a businessman.
Keen or not, you will get sick of something and recover a few times during the course of your life,
Yeah, until you don't recover. Because you're dead. You should ask Ken Shimura or Yuichiro Hata what they thinks about "irrational fear" of this virus. Or 400k americans. Or about 2 million people worldwide.
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There are many times we need to talk business over drinks.
No, you don't. You can talk business on the phone, on Line, on Zoom, by e-mail, on instagram DMs... Nodoby needs to "talk business over drinks", especially when there's a pandemic going on.
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My team is for law & order, without fear or favor.
My humble opinion is that Trumps senate impeachment trial can wait.
If you think the trial of the man who incited a deadly riot "can wait", then you're absolutely not for law and order, but absolutely for fear and favor.
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Trump alleged incitement/sedation
There's nothing "alleged" about it.
Also, you can perfectly work on implementing an economic rescue package AND put a seditious corrupt president on trial at the same time, it's called multi-tasking.
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Might as well quote Fang-Fang!
It's almost cute to see the right wing propaganda machine regularly try to fabricate scandals to deflect from the myriad Trump and the people around him have to deal with.
Except when the FBI investigates those type of allegations, republican operatives often end up in jail, and democrats just go back to work because they're cleared of any wrongdoing.
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It's amazing the lengths some people are willing to debate in order to prove they're really racist. Impressive, almost.
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Also numerous examples of decent hard-working African Americans pleading for MORE police presence in their communities. The whole "defund the police" movement ignored them.
No, it really didn't. "Defund the police" is a catastrophically bad slogan, because it makes it seems like it means "Abolish the police". The right pounced on it an immediately made everything think that was the actual aim. Which it never was, and was never meant to be. "Defunding" in this case means "Put money to better use".
"“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean
abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew.
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So, I and the facts don’t believe cops are systematically murdering blacks.
Except the facts prove you wrong and YOU just choose to believe something inherently racist that comforts your right-wing worldview. That black people are just more violent and therefore just more likely to be killed by police (like it's a completely normal thing, by the way. Even if you stereotypically deplorable opinions were true... Ever heard of "due process"? Police is supposed to arrest criminals, not kill them.)
Everything you're trying to debate is not even up for debate, except on Parler and OAN. White privilege exists, minorities are more likely to be killed and oppressed, BLM addresses an institutional problem that needs to be solved and invading the Capitol with pipe bombs and zip ties is much, much worse than burning a Gap. That's about it.
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There’s plenty of evidence of whites being brutalized by police.
Nobody said there wasn't. Nobody said the police didn't also kill white people. But for the third time now, police brutality in America is overwhelmingly targeted at blacks and minorities. It's proven and based on facts. You have more chances of being killed by the police when you are black than when you are white. That is an institutional problem. A problem that leads to regular protests on the streets.
Election fraud, on the other hand it not a problem. It does not warrant protests, much less riots, and certainly not the violent invasion of the Capitol building.
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Affirmative action? Current American universities?
There's only one category of people who actually think that "reverse racism" or "racism against white people" is a real problem in modern democracies, and that category is... You guessed it: racist white people!
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Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?
Police brutality is overwhelmingly targeted at blacks and minorities.
Here's some actual figures to educate yourself:
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I wish there was a way of giving virusrex's posts dozens of +, but unfortunately I can only give one at a time. It's really encouraging and even comforting to read your scientific-minded and factual comments here.
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What I am saying is that if the Dems and their fellow travellers stifle free speech,
They don't. Freedom of speech stop once inciting violent acts and crimes in real life starts.
The Dems have been anti-2nd Amendment for years,
I wish they were, but they aren't.
and they'd love an excuse to overturn it by claiming that its a protection for terrorists or something similar.
Only in silly conspiracy theories, not in real life.
Remember that the media are starting to label Trump supporters who attended the protest as terrorists.
No, the rioters who stormed the Capitol have been labeled as terrorists. There's a big difference, but a lot of Trump supporters seems to forget it (on purpose).
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Well the left did exactly the same
No, it didn't. The left never called for people to march on "homes and businesses". The left never called for "trial by combat" in order to impose their views. That never happened in reality.
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But the way many Dems are talking at the moment, they want Trump supporters to be socially punished just for supporting Trump.
Please give some references of elected democrats calling for "Trump supporters" in general to be punished. Otherwise this is just a lie.
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What's the bet the Dems go after the 2nd Amendment in the near future?
There's no chance of that happening. Unfortunately, the second amendement is only being attacked in the right-wing's addled imaginations and conspiracy theories. I wish democrats had the courage to actually actively repeal it and enact sensible gun laws like in any other developed democratic country, unfortunately that day will never happen, because the gun lobby is more powerful than any other lobby is (supposed "big tech" included).
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First of all, he did not call for insurrection, riots and the taking of the house by his supporters.
Yes he provably did.
Now, the inconformity is REAL.
No, it provably isn't.
No need to debate anything else.
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In all honesty, I am surprised at how much the left fears Trump.
If the president incited hundreds of armed supporters to invade and loot your own house in order to overturn the results election you won fairly by all accounts and judicial proceedings, tell us, what exactly would you do?
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