KeikoTokyo comments

Funny to how you keep trying to avoid the fact the SSCS vessels can travel to pretty much any port in the world, yet the violent, & illegal Japanese whaling fleet is not allowed to port at any country in the Southern Hemishere, not even for repairs, & would be boarded & arrested if entering most countries waters. Now that does say a lot about the standing of the Japanese fleet vs the SSCS fleet in international eyes.

arrestpaul;"The last 2 countries that considered kicking the violent, eco-terrorist SS out of their Ship Registry were Togo and the Netherlands. Togo kicked them out and the Dutch are attempting to."

The Togo registration was done dileberately to upset Japan, as Togo is one of the countries bribed by Japan to vote for it in the IWC, so SSCS did that knowing the Japanese would then pay Togo to deregister it. So no surprise there. As for this claim you keep stating of how the Dutch are trying to kick the SSCS vessels off their registry you should just check your facts there, as the last time Japan tried to bully the Netherlands into removing them they got a stern rebuke, & told to mind there own business. Funnily enough this is the same argument being used here! How other countries should mind there own business & not tell Japan what to do re whaling/dolphin hunting. Yet those very same people are arguing that the Dutch should remove them because Japan says so! Bit of hypocrasy there I think! As for the Dutch de-registering the SSCS vessels they just approved registering the Bob Barker on 24th May, just over a month ago. Does not sound like they are trying to kick them off the registry otherwise they simply would not have approved of registering a second boat would they? So you can rant & rave all you like but you are posting mis-conceptions at best, or at worst deliberate fanatical lies.

Zenny11, just did your search & guess what? NOT 1 link came up to back your claim! So PLEASE post a link backing up your claim.

I do my own research too. To quote you,"I do ALL my own research and DON'T rely on posters here", but in your previous post you stated,"Lets see the info I posted about has been posted here before and been verified by various sources.", do you mean other posters here, Ossan?

Ohh & by the way you have yet to answer who the second country considering removing registration for SSCS vessel is? Once again they have 2 boats, both registered under the Dutch flag, so PLEASE tell us all who this second country is?

Zenny11;"Lets see the info I posted about has been posted here before and been verified by various sources."

OK please post links & proof of your claim;"two right now are considering removing registration."

I would love to see it especially since both the SSCS vessels are registered in the same country! So who is this second country you speak of? So I guess that takes care of;"Till you can refute prove my statements incorrect they stand as they are."

Also while you are at it maybe you can provide links to this 'new' data on SSCS vessels being considered for deregistration? As it was only a month ago that the Bob Barker was registered by the Dutch, so why would they register a vessel, then recind it a month later?

"In the face of incredible political and economic pressure from Japan, the Netherlands has not only refused the Japanese demand to strike the Dutch flag from our ship the Steve Irwin, they have now officially registered our ship the Bob Barker under the Dutch flag."

Monday, May 24, 2010

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100524-1.html

Zenny11;"You might be surpised how many of your posts try to tell people things that they knew all along."

OK then why did you post;"two right now are considering removing registration."

Because this is completely wrong & false. So either like Ossan you like making stuff up, or your research was incorrect & I just wanted to clarify the truth. Just like 'arrestpaul' stating the US coast guard would;"The Coast Guard wouldn't hesitate to fire a shot across Mad Pete's or portly Paul's bow, board their ship and drag them off to jail.", which is once again a creation of his imagination as the US does not hunt whales, & he also forgot to mention how the Japanese whaling fleet is barred from ALL ports in the Southern Hemisphere, & most territorial waters. So it is more likely to be them getting boarded & hauled off to court than Paul Watson.

Zenny11;"MANY, MANY people don't like the SSCS and their tactics and that includes goverments too."

You may not have noticed, but MANY countries do not like Japans whaling policy, nor the tactics they employ, eg bribing countries for their vote in the IWC. I do not think this is winning Japan to many friends either.

Zenny11;"two right now are considering removing registration."

Um OK, what 2 countries are these then? As SSCS vessels are Dutch registered, & the Dutch have many times rebuked Japans whinning to have them de-registered. The Dutch are standing by SSCS, & to that point only just recently registered the Bob Barker under its flag. So why would a country, that you say is considering de-registering a vessel register another from the same organisation. Sounds like you are clutching at straws there. As for the Bob Barker being registered in Togo originally Paul Watson has explained how he did that to show not only the Japanese can use money to get as they wish, as I am sure you are aware Togo is one of the nations Japan bribes for its vote in the IWC. So I am sure the Japanese gov found that rather embarressing, one of its subservient countries registering a vessel that opposes whaling!

As for Interpol do not get your knickers in a knot, as they just inform Japan when he crosses a border, it is NOT an arrest warrant. Paul Watson s in the US right now, & under no threat of arrest. & Paul Watson actually publicises his whereabouts! He has even told the Japanese Coast Guard where he will be next Dec-March, in the Southern Ocean, operation "No Compromise" I believe it is being called.

arrestpaul;"Once again - As a Sea Shepard terrorist or even as a "former" Sea Shepard terrorist, he's wouldn't be allowed to carry on his stupidity within U.S. territorial waters."

Funnily enough nor would Japanese whalers be allowed to carry on their sillyness in US territorial waters! They to would be quickly boarded & arrested & hauled off to jail, ever thought of that?

arrestpaul;"As a Sea Shepard terrorist or even as a "former" Sea Shepard terrorist, he's wouldn't be allowed to carry on his stupidity within U.S. territorial waters. The Coast Guard wouldn't hesitate to fire a shot across Mad Pete's or portly Paul's bow, board their ship and drag them off to jail."

Sea Shepherd is not considered a criminal organisation in the US, nor does the US have arrest warrants out for either Paul, or Peter, so no they would not be arrested! Just more fanaticisim from you.

Ossan;"Fisheries vessels in the US are protected by the Federal Animal Enterprise Act. This is to protect businesses and industries from eco-terrorists. This is why Sea Shepherd never conduct any operations in US waters or jurisdiction. Stoopid is a double edged word."

The US does not hunt whales, like you said 'stoopid is a double edged word', or should I say fanaticism again.

"They've been turned away by the US Coast Guard already for entering restricted areas."

Umm as I am sure you already know EVERYONE is being turned away from restricted areas, ALL press included, I guess that is why they are called 'restricted areas'? & why were not SSCS arrested for trying to enter these areas if they are considered terrorists, & a threat on the high seas?

Zenny11;"Lets hope he keeps his nose clean for the next 5yrs, otherwise he will get a 2yr(+ new sentence) state-paid Holiday in Japan."

Only if committed on Japanese soil, sorry you seemed to forget that little part?

Ohh, & Ossan, I forgot to mention as we write this how Mr Peter Bethune is now currently on his way home to New Zealand.

Ossan;"So why is the anti-whaling crowd so elated?"

Maybe it is just because of the beligerent, abusive, & derogitory comments by you on these threads as others say there point of view, while all the while you arrogantly state how they are wrong, & you know all,(while just copying & pasting davidattokyos posts). While all the while your claims of the IWC changing its status on "commercial whaling", & how Peter Bethune, or as you call him Buffoon is going to jail for years, & each time your claims are shown to be racist, & bigotted comments, it gives some moderate people some satisfaction to see the truth, & to see common sense prevail.

maninjapan79;"While I would love for them to all get together to work out a deal, Australia were as much to blame this time as Japan has been in the past. They were one of the few (perhaps the only country) to shoot down the idea of a compromise at the most recent IWC meeting....."

Umm maybe you should check up on that? You will also find the EU also opposed it, as did all Latin American countries. So you could say that all countries in proximity to the Antarctic refused it, including NZ (because Japan was not willing to end whaling in the Antarctic), as stated before as did the EU & other countries. So NO you cannot blame Australia or any other one country, as it was many, & all agreed that whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was unacceptable, & if Japan was willing to 'compramise' they would have been allowed to return to coastal commercial whaling, Japan refused.

KSB1978, just what culture is being saved by bringing home tinned whale meat from 1/2 way around the world? It is not even done in our region, & when given the chance to hunt coastally recently at the IWC it did not happen because Japan refused to compromise & cease hunts in a designated sanctuary. & while these non-traditional hunts continue far from our waters so will the protests & activist trying to stop/impede them. So we will probably continue to see more trials like this one as Japan continues to shun the rest of the world.

KSB1978;"There are a variety of arts and crafts (which I suspect you guys would never have even heard of) that stems from whale parts, which would die out if no whaling is to be done."

Then why do they throw this part of the carcass over board in Antarctic waters? They do not bring home whale bones or the like, just tinned whale for retail sale.

Zenny11;"Maybe they do an about turn and let him back in, claiming expulsion was a ploy for the trial."

He was never thrown out of SSCS. SSCS stated he could no longer go on campaign/be an active member, nor was he a spokesperson or representitive of SSCS any longer for breaking the rules of a campaign. That does not mean he is no longer a member.

"Kobayashi was charged with obstruction of governmental administration, resisting arrest, trespassing and disorderly conduct."

Throw in a knife charge & it sounds suprisingly similar to a recent trail in Japan, & that person is still in jail!

"Despite these reservations, the IWC meeting, after a long and fairly acrimonious debate, approved an annual quota of nine humpbacks - but only on condition that the fin whale quota was lowered from 19 to 10.

This actually leaves the Greenlanders with less meat, as humpbacks are smaller than fin whales"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10419711.stm

I guess Greenland know how to negotiate, & compromise, not relying on bribery & corruption to get what they wish.

arrestpaul;"You can bend a branch only so far before it breaks. just sayin'."

Oh so you are saying any nation/NGO can go out & bribe to do as it wishes? Or maybe you are saying the rest of the world is the branch that has bent, so therefore it is about to snap at a country embaressing itself, hunting in a designated sanctuary, so if they continue to do so... well as you said;"SNAP", & on a global level...

Zenny11,"Did you read the Whaling Commissioner(New Zealand) praising Japan for being flexible and willing to talk, etc."

Oh did you read New Zealand is now considering joining Australia's claim in the ICJ? Or did you read the deal? Japan was not willing to give up its hunts in Antarctic waters, & it wanted to be allowed coastal whaling, so therefore continue with the status quoe, & then be allowed more concessions, + overturn a moratorium that has been in place & the rest of the world bar 3 has abided by for 25yrs? A moratorium that has been clled the most successful international conservation act ever! Yet Japan for its own personal reasons believes it should be overturned just for it?

Ossan;"The IWC also allows members to raise an objection to the moratorium and hunt commercially."

Yes they do, & in a democratic process it was DENIED.

arrestpaul;"Do you think the zealots will be able to deny each individual nation their "right" to take whales?"

Actually it is a democratic organisation, & listens to the arguments of both sides. & in doing so properly manages whaling, if that decision is disagreed by a minority who try to corrupt & bribe for their own self interests, I would call that a success for the democratic process. Yes it is a voluntary organisation, & one that many whaling nations accepted the outcome of, despite their previous whaling history, & a select few,(3), choose to ignore while the rest of the world abides. So that is why they are considered 'rogue' states, & if they then choose to leave/ignore then they will be further distancing themselves, & giving more arguments to the majority of nations, & NGO's that oppose it.

Is taking a factory ship that processes & freezes meat half way around the world what you call 'indigenous' hunting?

davidattokyo, oh & what was 'illegal' about the moratorium formed & agreed on from many countries around the world, in a democratic manner, unlike the bribery & corruption Japan has tried to over turn the moratorium.

davidattokyo;"Huh? The "ban" achieved nothing in terms of conservation. The "ban" was adopted (illegally) in 1982. Yet, the Blue whale was protected in the 1960s. The Humpback whale was protected in the 1960s. The fin whale and sei whales were protected in the 1970's."

Yes the moratorium has been the most successful conservation bill ever put through. As I am sure you are aware despite the previous bans you speak of countries continued to ignore them, & continued to hunt these banned whales, up until the moratorium, then other countries that continued to hunt whales abided by it, unlike 3 countries in the world who continue to ignore it! & that is why they earn the ire of countries around the globe. Because the rest of the world has moved on, & benifits from industries such as whale watching, while 3 rogue countries continue to flout the moratorium. & as we all know indigenous hunting is not carried out in Antarctic waters, nor was it 400 years ago by Japan! Nor does all the indigenous whaling in the world over several years even come close to the numbers Japan takes in an internationally agreed sanctuary annually.

Ossan;"Today they use grenade tipped harpoons, their boats have outboard engines, use binoclears, VHF radios and cellphones to communicate"

& just where do you think these came from? Japan has donated them to try to nullify arguments, rather than admitting these people hunt to sustain, while Japan hunts to put meat in freezers, feed pets, & make fertilizer! & as you have stated previously Japan will not give it up simply as a matter of pride!

"How do you feel that Australia wants to end indigenous Whaling too?"

Sorry but you are incorrect in that statement, just more romour mongering & another attempt to create anti-Australianism, while if you look at the facts of the IWC meeting & how the EU & Latin American countries refused the so called compromise. A compromise that stated Japan will continue to do just as it has, & get coastal whaling added to what it wants to do, so therefore continue hunting in Antarctic waters, & hunt coastally as well. Gee doesn't sound like we were giving up much to compromise there!

& to think they managed to come up with more information than Japanese 'research', & all without killing 1 whale! Guess it does just prove even further that Japans claims of 'research' are nothing more than another blatent lie from the very much corrupt ICR.

Ossan;"Please provide evidence that the meat, which is legally sold within Japan, was "sold by Japan" to other countries. I dare you."

Once again I stated the whale was caught & sold by Japan, if lax customs let it transfer internationally to not just 1 but several countries does that not show not only the sale of this meat encourages smugglers, but also shows Japans lax customs?

arrestpaul, local indigenous hunting will always be allowed under the IWC, by that it is described hunting by indigenous groups, carried out in traditional methods, are you claiming Japans hunts in the Antarctic is carried out in traditional methods, & has been done so there for centuries?