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arrestpaul;'They've only proven that this Sei whale meat came from (fed in?) the same area of the ocean as other Sei whale meat that they've tested. Read the article again. Nobody claimed it came from the same whale."

I have read the article & others too, all state the same, just as the scientists do, the whale,(protected by SITES agreements), & protected, was infact the same whale caught by Japanese whalers, then on-sold by Japan, then turning up illegally in resturaunts around the world! Gee, is not so hard to see the source there! The whale meat comes from the same whale, NOT the same area!

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arrestpaul, no I am not saying that! You are! As you just stated the IWC does not allow whaling, ergo Japan is a rogue nation! & I guess that will serve us well in the ICJ with Aus taking us there, & now NZ stating they will join the action. Yep going great for the Japanese whaling industry.

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arrestpaul;""Investigators have ACTUALLY traced this particular sale of Sei whale meat to a supplier in Japan".

Well they have proven this using DNA sampling, a Sei whale caught, & sold in Japan matches in DNA to the meat sold not only in America, but also Korea, & the sellers in Japan state it is part of the Japanese catch. So therefore the meat originated from Japan, but due to either lax border controls, or corruption the meat was then exported. If you have doubts about corruption within the whaling industry in Japan please just look at the evidence that has come to light recently regarding bribery of other nations, whale meat being stolen off whaling vessels for personal sale, etc, etc...

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davidattokyo;"Uuuh, what is Iceland doing? What is Norway doing? And what it is that you think Japan is doing?

... "commercial whaling"? No?"

Thank you for confirming Japan is actually hunting commercially.

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Cleo;"Dunno where you get that. Isn't KeikoTokyo simply saying a return to pre-moratorium status isn't in the cards?"

Thank you for explaining for some trying to twist words here.

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Sorry but everyone here stating Australia is to blame! As far as I understand there are many other countries voting as well, eg the EU, & most asking for the hunts in Antarctic waters,(Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary) to end. As for more whales being slaughtered I think you need to look at the actual figures, not what Japan says it wants, eg last few season the Antarctic hunts have got just only 500 whales, Japan wanted 800 from the new deal! Do the maths people 500 is less than 800! So Japan was NOT giving up 1/2 the catch! It was simply political spin with numbers, we still wanted more than we have actually caught in the previous years. Secondly do you really believe for 1 second that Japan would spend millions bribing nations so they can catch less whales? PLEASE, just a part of Glenn Inwoods spin! & something the rest of the world does not believe.

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Well all the bribes were for nothing anyway, as once again the IWC rejects returning to commercial whaling.

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& GREAT NEWS for the whales, there will be no return to commercial whaling! So I guess all those bribes & prostitutes were for nothing, great investment of taxpayers money there by the government!

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So no return to commercial whaling, GREAT NEWS!!!

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taj, you failed to mention how neither Canada, nor Panama send whaling fleets to Antarctic waters! Neither country hunts whales, & if you wish to talk of Inuits then that is allowed under IWC rules for indigenous hunting, & they take less than 50 per annum.

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Ossan, you want proof well here it is;"the Sunday Times catching officials on tape acknowledging they received benefits from Japan was proof of undue influence on the 88-nation commission," from; http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/iwc-meeting-abuzz-over-japan-vote-buying-accusations

Then there is this paper showing;"Support to the pro-whaling countries amounts to more than 60 billion yen total", & how priority goes to contries that support Japan in the IWC. http://chikyu-to-umi.com/kkneko/english/oda2e.htm

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arrestpaul, sorry truth, & proof. Because so far all we have seen is the pot calling the kettle black, or the corrupt group projecting their own failings on the other. So far we have had proof of Japanese bribes, we are yet to see the proof of WWF or any other conservation groups bribes, & I mean actual transfers of money has been shown, as has happened from Japan to international organisations, & voters in the IWC.

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arrestpaul;"a number of countries joined and that their dues and the travel support was reportedly due to conservation groups providing it."

Please provide truth of monetary exchanges for votes?

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& Ossan you are so correct, it is more important to send fleets losing money to the other side of the world, the Antarctic to continue hunting in Japans name, rather than compramise & go back to coastal whaling in our own waters! Protecting the Antarctic waters for our whaling is so much more important than protecting our own traditional whaling towns!

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At the moment it just shows you projecting Japans own unscruplious behavior on others, rather than providing proof of change of money between groups! & providing proof of vote buying by these other groups, where-as it has been proven the monetary exchanges for votes by Japan.

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I think that means he showed them what Japan was doing was unjust/deceiptful, & not in complience with the agreements by the IWC, much the same is what is happening now. If you believe 1 person had the funds to bribe all these nations then the monetary trail would be easy to follow, would it not? Just as the monetary trail back to Japan has been exposed, NOT just rumor, or by insinuation. PLEASE some proof, not just insinuations.

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Ossan;"Considering that the anti-whaling nations started with the IWC vote buying why is this such a big deal to you? Or have you not read up on the history of the IWC to know that's how the moratorium got put into place?"

At what point in the article does it say Lyall Watson paid countries to vote with him?

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Ossan;"Considering that the anti-whaling nations started with the IWC vote buying why is this such a big deal to you? Or have you not read up on the history of the IWC to know that's how the moratorium got put into place?"

I have, yet have to see any proof, please provide some, just like has been provided of Japans vote buying over the last few weeks, including offending nations now barred from taking part in the vote in the IWC!

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Ossan, here is the word of over 200 scientist, trained in the field! Or are you going to state now how you are better educated & trained than them now?;

AGADIR, Morocco — More than 200 scientists and experts Tuesday called on the International Whaling Commission to maintain its ban on commercial whaling to ensure the future of species depleted by industrial hunting.

"The IWC must not undermine the conservation achievements of the last few decades by again endorsing commercial whaling," they said in a petition.

"There is no evidence that any of the few populations and species known to be increasing have reached, or are anywhere near, the levels that might justify non-zero catch limits."

"The scientists, from about 30 countries, also called on IWC governments to reject a provision in the chair's proposal that would allow quota-based hunting in the Southern Ocean -- declared a whale sanctuary in 1994 -- over the next 10 years.

"We believe that to do so would be highly inappropriate and untimely and would again risk the future of the whales," said Mark Simmonds, International Director of Science for the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society."

"The long-lived and slow-breeding mammals are difficult to monitor, and the whaling industry has evaded and obstructed efforts to ensure compliance with international regulations, they charged"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPUjGuZokfP3tyEKCC8pXzfvgnVg

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Ossan;"Do you support the IWC propsal? Or do you, as I suspect, object because "some whales will still be killed"?

I as others around the world object to whales being killed by a couple of nations that have so far ignored all international moratoriums, so like a spoilt child in school, misbehaved, & as just as in school, those who misbehave should not be rewarded or get what they want for behaving like spoilt brats. Is time for Japan to grow up & join the rest of the 21st century, as it claims it is & deserves, so act like it!

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"But the belligerent pose adopted by Japanese negotiators belies the fact that back home, there is almost no appetite for whale meat or whale hunting.

Japanese shops are packed with an impressive array of delicacies from around the world, but whale meat is as exotic to most Japanese as frogs' legs or escargots are to most Americans.

"We ate whale meat as children," says a shopkeeper speaking in Japanese. "But we didn't like it."

"The media pays very little attention to this issue. Ironically, a very small minority group gets a disproportionately big voice. The stake involved is so small, so Japanese government has very little stake in this," Taniguchi says."

"It is not illegal. But I became aware that by sticking to this minor, minor issue, Japan was gradually losing its friends from the international community," Taniguchi says.

"To be blunt, I became aware that the whaling issue was one of the best ways to lose friends for Japan," he says.

"He says Japan's government-subsidized hunts in the Antarctic have flooded the market with whale meat, depressing prices and further damaging Japan's coastal communities where whaling matters the most."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127939189

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Ossan;"Oh didn't you know that Iceland amd Norway are IWC members? Don't you think you should read up on this subject before arguing for argument's sake?"

They may be this year, but as you have previously stated at times they were not, they simply left the IWC, & did as they pleased. I guess that does not flow with the EU, huh?

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Ossan;Oh you mean like "bribery" is giving another money to vote as you wish, or maybe you mean "blackmail", either you vote our way out you will not receive our money?

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davidattokyo;"Not only do the anti-whalers pretend to represent other countries at the IWC"

Are you speaking of NGO's, whose members represent conservation groups, not countries! PLEASE David try not to get confused because someone is of a nationality but representing an NGO, they are representing the NGO, NOT a nation!

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davidattokyo, so what you are saying is if a country agrees with a treaty it can enforce it, yet if it does not then it can simply ignore it! So then why would any country involved with the IWC believe that Japan will abide by any quota set by the IWC in any new deal. It has never before, & as you have stated it will simply do as it wishes if it does not get its way! & the IWC has no recourse! So please explain your position clearly, is Japan going to abide by the IWC no matter the outcome? Or is it going to do whatever it wishes, if it does not like the outcome?

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davidattokyo;"

Just what other nation is hunting in a designated sanctuary under the guise of 'scientific research'?

No nation is doing such a thing."

Then what are Japans hunts in Antarctica, The Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, being called now? Commercial?

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davidattokyo;"Do you know the difference between an agreement (e.g. conventions / treaties / agreements) versus management measures proposed / enacted under those agreements?'

Ohh do you mean just like the treaties/agreements Japan has signed relating to the Antarctic treaty, regarding the dumping of waste overboard, & refueling below the 60th degree Sth, or do these simply not need to be abided by? As you have stated yourself yes Japan has broken these, but if needed will abide??? Should we not abide without others telling us to do so, as we have signed the treaties saying we agree to these conditions, & if not why bother even signing in the first place?

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Ossan;"The whaling nations can't be "rogue" nations since all three are complying with the IWC regulations wjich permits their position and actions. You are merely advocating cultural imperialism, which apparently is a no-no for aborginial minorities but fine for other nations. Time to grow up, period."

Oh that is why both Iceland & Norway have previously left the IWC, because they were such good participants, & behaving like adults!? Or maybe you are talking about Japan who is now paying for the chairman of the IWC's hotel bill & expenses? Is that not bribing & blackmail? Just as you have claimed by others, or is that simple giving of gifts? & the EU is blackmailing a country by simply saying if you want to join our group you must behave this way, if you wish to behave as you do we do not want to associate with you, is that what you call blackmail? Sounds like a simple request to me, behave or go away, plain & simple.

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davidattokyo;"Japan and the other whaling nations are all acting 100% consistently with the terms of the whaling convetion."

Ohh you mean Norway, & Iceland that as you have stated ignore the ban, or are you just talking of Japan hunting in a designated sanctuary, half a world away from home?

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davidattokyo;"Japan and the other whaling nations are all acting 100% consistently with the terms of the whaling convetion."

Just what other nation is hunting in a designated sanctuary under the guise of 'scientific research'? & when we talk of 'tradition' lets talk about our traditions, those of NOT killing pregnant females, or lactating mothers, as that brings MUCH bad luck! Guess we are now suffering the same said bad luck, huh?

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