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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

adaydream,

I or Gaza are supposed to believe that statement? How can they believe that?

There is not one Israeli settlement in Gaza. You don't believe it? Ask Hamas. They know there are no settlements in Gaza. In fact, the whole world knows this. It's been almost five years.

I think that as soon as Israel and Gaza sits down at the table, Israel will make another memorable statement how they are building somewhere new. Israel has shown their track record.

You know maybe they will, maybe the won't. I don't particularly like Netanyahu that much. So don't expect me to defend him. However, what the heck difference does it make. Were the Palestinians to get to the negotiation table and negotiate a peaceful resolution and get their state, any plans or construction would be erased or dismantled as they were in Gaza and Sinai. However, we will never know until they actually get to the table and stay there. This means both Palestinians and Israelis. I am sick of the excuses for not negotiating and the violence that is the result of a lack of negotiations.

It has been a long road, so I understand your lack of optimism.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

Listen adaydream, I agree that this is counterproductive. However, to suggest that the problems are only on one side is incorrect. There will not be any Israeli settlements in the future Palestinian nation. Don't you think it is time for the Palestinian and Israelis both to sit down and negotiate until a peaceful settlement is reached?

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

BTW, Did you happen to check what sparked the Samu incident? Nah, probably not. After all, what difference does it make if Fatah was attacking Israel from Jordanian territory, right?

This is what I mean about having some semblence of balance. Yes, this move regarding the settlements is counterproductive. I have been one of the first to say so on JT. However, when and if there is ever a deal made, the settlements in the Palestinian nation will be dismantled. That is what has happened in Gaza and Sinai and that is what will happen in the future Palestine.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

HeyLars,

What I wrote about Jordan is quite common knowledge. Did you even bother to check it out on the internet before you asked me? Jordan was once part of the Palestine Mandate and the Palestinians there are and always have been a majority there. Black September was an attempt to take Jordan back as Palestinian territory. It was only three years after Jordan lost the West Bank (you know the one they annexed but did not give to the Palestinians). You asked how Palestinians felt about Jordan and I answered you. They rebelled. They rebelled because the wanted Jordan for their country. Again, why don't you even check these things out? Why ask me first? I am sorry you find it hard to believe I can remember things. However, unless you have anything specific you find to be incorrect about what I have said, I humbly suggest you check it on the internet before accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about.

BTW, your assumption about what started the 67 War is rather laughable. Please do some research into what Egypt and Syria were doing at the time, blockades and tank and troop build up for a start should help you on the way.

Yes, no quarter is given to Israel. That is because Israel comes dead last on the Palestinian list of people not to be ruled by.

Nah, that is not the only reason. Look at the fact you have not heard of Jordan stripping its citizens of their passports.

Jordan strips Palestinians’ citizenship

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=167512

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/21/Jordan-strips-Palestinians-of-citizenship/UPI-93421248183799/

And on and on. You really should know by now that I know what I am talking about. You should also apologize for suggesting I was not telling the truth.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

HeyLars,

Well my question to you is: How badly did the Palistinians want to be free of Egypt and Jordan? Did they even want to be? And how do you know?

Good question. They rotted in Gaza under Egyptian rule. Of that there is no dispute. In Jordan, they tried to do what they are doing in the Occupied Territories now. Except that resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Jordan to Lebanon. Please google Black September for more information. In addition, Jordan is now taking away Jordanian citizenship from its Palestinians citizens. Saying they belong to the Occupied Territories. These are people many of whom have lived their whole lives in Jordan and were born citizens of Jordan.

My point is that when it comes to Israel, no quarter is taken. This is and was not true of the surrounding countries treatment of the Palestinians.

Bottom line, I want peace and I want two peaceful nations, Palestine and Israel side by side in peace. Negotiations is the only way to get that and Israel, so far, has been the only country to occupy the occupied territories that has been willing to consider it.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

gone mad,

Hamas has said several times that they will not negotiate with Israel for a true peace (10 year truces don't count). This is a big sticking point.

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

See, this is exactly to what I was referring. Here you are arbitrarily linking the ADL with David Duke, who was very graciously invited to Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back, and Stormfront. You see, David Duke is an actual person with actual public opinions that can be read and analysed and Stormfront has opinions by actual people that can be analysed. These opinions closely match those of Ahamdinejad, Bollyn, Dawson and your posts here on JT.

You randomly associate people with unrelated things merely because they (or someone in their family) support Israel or because they are Jewish and you assume they are guilty of something simply by association with absolutely no specific proof whatsoever. However, in my case, I am specifically talking about public opinions of the people concerned and the content therein and not merely associations with groups.

I also find it fascinating that Dawson, Bollyn David Duke, Ahmadinejad, Stormfront and yourself all obsess about Jews in the media and in governments and create conspiracies that almost exclusively revolve around Jews and Israel. Sorry, this is not a commenting tactic on my part. It is an observation of not only your posting habits, but the public opinions of the people about whom we have been discussing. A big hint is people linking: The Holocaust (and generally suggesting it did not happen or that no one was gassed or whatever), Jews and how many are in the media, governments, companies, banks or whatever, and now with 911. Sorry, but it is obvious when people constantly attempt to artificially link all these things together, then it is perfectly clear that there is more to their agenda than 'truth'.

Look right above. You brought the ADL into this conversation, not I. In addition, That mere fact that you still tried to pawn the urban legend that the Palestinians were not dancing in the streets and celebrating 911 when they actually were shows how out of touch you are on issues. I am curious, even being told it is not true, do you plan to attempt to bring it up again I wonder?

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Posted in: U.N. report: Much of Somalia's food aid diverted See in context

What exactly did these do-goody UN twits expect?

According to the article it sadly seems that some expected a cut of the food aid:

"Up to half the food aid intended for the millions of hungry people in Somalia is being diverted to corrupt contractors, radical Islamic militants and local U.N. workers"

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

sabiwabi,

You use this tactic all the time. You randomly associate people with unrelated things merely because they (or someone in their family) support Israel or because they are Jewish and you assume they are guilty of something simply by association with absolutely no specific proof whatsoever. However, in my case, I am specifically talking about public opinions of the people concerned and the content therein and not merely associations with groups.

What I find shocking and strange is not that David Duke and Stormfront, cut and paste things as you put it, it is the opinions on those sites that are almost word for word the same as much of what you write in addition to what Dawson and Bollyn write. This is not a tactic. It is merely an observation. I further observe that Ahmadinejad obviously approves of David Duke's thinking because he graciously invited David Duke to the Iranian Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back. Both the opinions on Duke's site and Stormfront mirror almost to the very word what 'real truthers' say and write.

I also find it fascinating that David Duke, Ahmadinejad, Stormfront and yourself all obsess about Jews in the media and in governments and create conspiracies that almost exclusively revolve around Jews and Israel. Sorry, this is not a commenting tactic on my part. It is an observation of not only your posting habits, but the public opinions of the people about whom we have been discussing. A big hint is people linking: The Holocaust (and generally suggesting it did not happen or that no one was gassed or whatever), Jews and how many are in the media, governments, companies, banks or whatever, and now with 911. Sorry, but it is obvious when people constantly attempt to artificially link all these things together, then it is perfectly clear that there is more to their agenda than 'truth'.

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

Ummm...you really need to fact check more than you do. That mere fact that you still tried to pawn the urban legend that the Palestinians were not dancing in the streets and celebrating 911 when they actually were shows how out of touch you are on issues. Dawson and Bollyn 'back up' everything they write with innuendo and racist undertones. Hardly the area of academia.

Duke was very graciously invited to Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back. Both his site and Stormfront mirror almost to the very word what 'real truthers' say and write.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

I don't think Netanyahu was saying he didn't know about the settlements. It is clear from the article that he was merely apologizing for the timing of the announcement of them.

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

A good hint that you are on the wrong path is when sites like Stormfront and David Duke share your views and follow the reasoning of people like Dawson and Bollyn.

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

It makes it wrong when just the fact that people are Israeli or Jewish seems to be the reason and focus of the accusations.

I appreciate your admitting my accessment was correct though.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

Again, that is not what the judges declared. They declared that Israel could not build a wall on occupied territory. The judges did not make a final decision that it all belonged to the Palestinians. That is a misreading of the decision. You should understand this by now, unless...

At any rate, the decision by the OCJ is also non-binding, as you must know by now because I have told you this before, unless...

Again, although I do think these kinds of moves are counterproductive ones on the part of Israel, the settlements will be dealt with in negotations as they have in other disengagements. It is the negotiations that need to be the focus of interest. Of course you should understand this by now as I have explained it to you several times, unless...

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

That is the point. I don't see it as people caring about international law. If they did, they would have cared from the beginning, one would think. However, as I pointed out, However, the reality is that East Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed and held by Jordan until 1967. No one was up in arms about this or the Jews who were run out of East Jerusalem by Jordan. In 1980, Israel also annexed East Jerusalem. Suddenly the uproar.

You are not quite accurate in your description of the ICJ. The ICJ was ruling on the wall and said Israel could not build a wall there. That is not the same thing as what you wrote. Again, although I do think these kinds of moves are counterproductive ones on the part of Israel, the settlements will be dealt with in negotations as they have in other disengagements. It is the negotiations that need to be the focus of interest.

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Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie' See in context

Let's cut to the chase, Dawson and Bollyn blame Israel and Jews controlling western governments and media. Blah, blah, blah, etc.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

Of course, almost veryone has an opinion about every aspect of this long and tired conflict. However, the reality is that East Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed and held by Jordan until 1967. No one was up in arms about this or the Jews who were run out of East Jerusalem by Jordan. In 1980, Israel also annexed East Jerusalem. Suddenly the uproar.

Now, I feel that all is up for negotiation between the parties concerned. That includes the territory known as East Jerusalem. However, until there are negotiations, the Palestinians cannot realistically expect any progress whatsoever.

Quoting non-binding UN resolutions and the like does not change the fact that as far as the occupied territories are concerned there have been two sets of rules, one for when Jordan and Egypt controlled them and were completely ignored for it by the international community and another for Israel now controlling it and by doing so ironically giving the Palestinians their first chance in hundreds of years to have their own nation.

Again, althought I do think these kinds of moves are counterproductive ones on the part of Israel, the settlements will be dealt with in negotations as they have in other disengagements. It is the negotiations that need to be the focus of interest.

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

WilliB,

Actually, Israel forcibly destroyed Israeli homes and removed the Israel settlements in the Sinai, too. I was hoping for at least the same kind of peace when Israel left Gaza. Unfortunately, things have not worked out that way.

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Posted in: Behind the scenes, crafting the U.S. no-fly list See in context

There is freedom and there is freedom. To say we should have complete freedom misses an important point. We do need rules and laws and ways to control and prevent crime. The question merely should be when and how many rules we should have. Would you get rid of all security at airports? That sure would make us 'freer'. However, I doubt it would make us safer. There is always the delicate balance between protecting the public and the public being free.

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Posted in: U.N. report: Much of Somalia's food aid diverted See in context

TumbleDry,

I assume you meant to say you were not surprised at all. Sadly, neither am I...

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Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements See in context

enlarging one of the settlements that have impeded negotiations with Palestinians.

While the settlement issue is counterproductive to peace, I continue to marvel at the fact that Hamas is completely ignored when talking about Israeli/Palestinian relations. Settlements are not the only stumbling block and I venture to say they don't matter very much as any land that becomes a Palestinian state will be free of Israeli settlements anyway. There aren't any settlements in Gaza or Sinai. However, if Hamas is not convinced to get on board, negotiations are pretty much meaningless.

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Posted in: Biden condemns new Israeli settlement plan See in context

2005 ended in 2006, but it really ended in 2007!

Possibly I am the only one. If so, so be it. However, what is this supposed to mean?

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

What is the most shocking is that upon your comments, I decided to google Dr. Pearlman. Interestingly, your comments about Gadahn match very closely with what is said on the site Stormfront. Not really the best place to be getting information. At least you didn't call Gadahn a 'joo'.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

However, you never use the words alleged to describe Yusuf Islam or Ahmadinejad do you? We can never really be certain of their beliefs either. However, the point is no Islamic figure has disputed Gadahm's conversion. How are you qualified to do so?

Adam Gadahn (what difference does his former name mean?) did convert to Islam while he lived with his grandfather who was not a national office board of directors member, he was a local member. His grandfather had nothing to do with his conversion. He never supported any Nazi parties (neither did the ADL but I am sick of talking about a group that has nothing to do with this except in your mind). Again, no proof, just smearing of people you decide you don't like because they support Israel or are Jewish.

All I am saying is You have shown absolutely no proof that al-Quaeda and Gadahn's grandfather are connected at all. You have further shown absolutely no proof that Gadahn's grandfather had anything whatsoever to do with Gadahn's conversion. In fact, checking on the man's history, it seems Gadahn's grandfather was regarded well by those around him, including medical colleagues.

You have no proof whatsoever of wrongdoing on the part of Gadahn's grandfather. Yet you are willing to smear his name...that raises more questions than your alleged proof ever could.

Bottom line, Gadahn converted to Islam and became an extremist and member of al-Quaeda. You have provided nothing to suggest his grandfather had anything at all to do with this. Just living in the same house with someone does not make you guilty. If it did, there would be a whole lot of innocent parents, grandparents and other family members in jails for crimes they had nothing to do with. You may like things to be this way, however it is not the way a fair society should operate.

Your suspicions don't matter. Facts do. You have provided none.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

We can never know anyone's beliefs for certain. However, there is no reason to believe Gadahn did not convert and you have provided none. You have provided no evidence of wrongdoer on the part of Gadahn's grandfather who also did charity work for the local YMCA as well.

You have shown absolutely no proof that al-Quaeda and Gadahn's grandfather are connected at all. You have further shown absolutely no proof that Gadahn's grandfather had anything whatsoever to do with Gadahn's conversion. In fact, checking on the man's history, it seems Gadahn's grandfather was regarded well by those around him, including medical colleagues.

You have no proof whatsoever of wrongdoing on the part of Gadahn's grandfather. Yet you are willing to smear his name...that raises more questions than your alleged proof ever could.

Bottom line, Gadahn converted to Islam and became an extremist and member of al-Quaeda. You have provided nothing to suggest his grandfather had anything at all to do with this. Just living in the same house with someone does not make you guilty. If it did, there would be a whole lot of innocent parents, grandparents and other family members in jails for crimes they had nothing to do with. You may like things to be this way, however it is not the way a fair society should operate.

Your suspicions don't matter. Facts do. You have provided none.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

'Alledged' is used for crimes. Converting religions is not a crime. In addition, there is absolutely no reason to believe Gadahn did not convert.

You do not have any proof that the grandfather did anything wrong. You site one case in 1981 one member acting undercover in a right wing nut party as the example for a whole organization that has nothing to do with Gadahn. I think this is very problematic.

You have shown no link between al-Quaeda and the ADL and you have shown no positive link between Gadahn's conversion to Islam and his grandfather except for the fact they happen to live in the same house. Nothing, zero, zilch, zip.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

It's Adam's association with the ADL that should raise red flags.

First, the ADL is not an extremist organization. Al-Quaeda is.

Second, Gadahn didn't have any association with the ADL. He had an association with al-Quaeda.

Since you have shown not that 1)the ADL is an extremist group, 2)that al-Quaeda had any connection whatsoever with the ADL or that Gadahn had any connection whatsoever with ADL, 3) that anything you have written is either true or relavent to this case, it is hard to understand anything other than you searching for Jewish relatives of people to say that is the reason they are guilty of something.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

Just to add, agree or disagree with the ADL, it is not what could be called an extremist group. There is not history of violence. This is not true of al-Quaeda. That is why I find the attempts to equate the two groups as unrealistic and impractical. The focus is Adam Yahiye Gadahn. He is a Muslim extremist and member of al-Quaeda. His having one Jewish grandfather who belonged to a Jewish group has nothing to do with the crimes his grandson, Adam Yahiye Gadahn, has been accused of in connection with al-Quaeda.

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Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman See in context

He was a board member of the ADL.

'He' meaning Adam Yahiye Gadahn's grandfather? So? Adam Yahiye Gadahn was not a member of the board of ADL. The ADL has nothing to do with Adam Yahiye Gadahn. Adam Yahiye Gadahn was a member of al-Quaeda.

You claim Adam Yahiye Gadahn was secular? What proof do you have of this? Adam Yahiye Gadahn converted to Islam. It is not a matter of labelling himself Muslim. It is a matter that he actually converted to Islam.

Your opinions about the ADL have no connection to this conversation. Adam Yahiye Gadahn also lived with his Christian grandmother. You are attempting to make connections in your own mind that have no connection with any actual facts. You have no proof that his grandfather or the ADL was training Adam Yahiye Gadahn. In fact, you have no basis for thinking the ADL is involved in this at all. Guilt by religion, whether you consider people's religions labels or not, is all your opinions appear to be. As such, one can only think your opinions are merely opinions not based in fact.

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Posted in: Biden condemns new Israeli settlement plan See in context

Obviously, this is a counterproductive move on the part of Israel. It does not matter whether Netanyahu was 'broadsided' by the announcement. It is not the announcement that is the problem. It is the construction, if it ever happens that is the problem.

However, if the US does not get Hamas involved in any peace negotiations, if they ever get peace negotiations going again, they will not be very fruitful negotiations.

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