MattHS comments

Hey Tim Elder, realmind ignores this one by saying it is "old" news. That's quite a way to avert facing reality, isn't it?

Can you tell me if any members were ever punished, as they should have been, for violently smashing up this newspaper and threatening the life of the reporter? 700 members all in one place, which "central figure" ordered them to do this? Why did it take 1500 police in riot gear to quell this violence?

Could you tell me if any Moon followers ever did time for this as they should have?

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006082489308

Welcome Tim Elder - interpreter and sometimes spokesperson for the Moon movement. I am a big fan of yours which is why I must ask you to clear something up for me.

Forbes Asia Magazine dated April 12, 2010 reported this:

"About 300,000 Koreans actually belong to the church in Korea, says Elder. He estimates worldwide membership to be at 3 million, a figure that is far larger than unofficial estimates."

Of course the 3 million figure is baloney, but the 300,000 in Korea? Figuring they quoted you accurately so therefore I must ask - How on earth could you tell them that with a straight face? Even if you mean any person who may have given you the time of day, don't you see how deceptive that is? You know Hyung Jin has been saying for a few years now that membership in Korea went from around 16,000 in 1960s to less than 14,000 in 2005. You knew that when you talked to Forbes, didn't you? Hyung Jin made this point many times. For that matter, Kook Jin told Forbes "churchgoing membership in Korea at about 50,000" where did he get that figure?

I am sure that you are proud that Hyung Jin's new tactics are working to pull people into the group but the "church" in Korea up until recently, he also claims, has been funded by money from the Japanese. The "church" in the messiah's homeland could not support itself for the first 50 years of its existence.

You know Hyung Jin is trying to get members not to deceive people as much as they used to do about who you are and what you want, why did you push this claim that has been deceptively used before? I know it is embarrassing to admit that your "church" has been unable to gain support in its home nation and the nation you claim has supplanted Israel as G-d's chosen nation, but why deceive about membership totals?

Please tell me you were misquoted, I wouldn't want to think that you were not on board with Hyung Jin's effort to have members be honest to themselves and the world for a change.

Why should anyone EVER see your organization as anything other than one that was built on deception and funded by swindling widows in Japan?

You can say you love Jesus all you want, that doesn't change your movement's teachings. Nobody said anything about Jesus hating anyone where did you get that? Just make it up? Is this a tactic to push some guilty on your critics? Disgusting. "Jesus would just love us trashing Him as a loser, why don't you?"

How did you grow to "love" Jesus when your "church" has never taught about Him until recently as your leaders admit, at least not in any manner other than how failed He was and how great Moon is in relation to Him. Sure, they give some lip service to Jesus as a way to seduce Christians into Moon's web, you proud of that?.

Do you deny that your leaders admit they have not taught their children about Jesus until recently? Do you deny that Moon claims Jesus serves his dead son in heaven? Do you deny that Hyung Jin has stated Jesus and Muhammad(PBUH) and all past saints bow before Moon? Do you deny that they refer to Mary, Christ's mother, as a huge failure before G-d? According to Moon org reports, during his recent tour of Europe in one meeting Moon got so hot about what a failure Mary was before G-d, he started spitting. Apparently Moon was mad at how the Catholic Church thinks highly of Mary.

"we respect Islam and are actively working for better understanding between Muslims, Jews, and Christians"

The Moon organization sees all religions and past religious leaders as failures before the great Moon. The lip service they give to these religions now is just to seduce them. There is not one word uttered, not one dime spent by the Moon movement which has any purpose other than to promote Moon as the Messiah and you know it.

What did Hyung Jin say was the purpose of all the front organization created by Moon? To promote Moon as the messiah. He even admits the organization has been deceptive by hiding behind these front group names like the Universal Peace Federation, Family Federation and Women's Federation for World Peace etc etc..the list is endless yet they still "hide" behind names.

Why don't you just be honest and admit this Olympics deal has your organization's mouths watering at the publicity you'll receive to help you mainstream the org and the VIPs you will be able to snag through it.

The 2018 Olympics will help fund the promotion of Sun Myung Moon as the Messiah.

Steve, are you in Korea? Could you tell me if any Moon followers ever did time for this as they should have?

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006082489308

Part of the problem is the very poor reporting in the news media about the Unification Church's swindling activities in Japan where the Unification Church has swindled widows to fund its activities around the world.

Read and learn some about the swindling Moon organization here:

http://tinyurl.com/4xkp8ze

http://tinyurl.com/6jfskre

http://tinyurl.com/6yscr4j

http://tinyurl.com/3uyqncq

Moon's son in charge of the foundation that controls the Ski resort has stated emphatically that all the Moon businesses have one main purpose, to make money to promote Sun Myung Moon as the messiah, that is, to further the mission of the megalomaniac, Moon.

So now Christians who want to attend and or participate the 2018 Olympics will be required to help fund and promote Sun Myung Moon as the messiah. The press will try to help the Moon org act like these are two different things but they are not - if you try to separate any parts of the Moon org from his plans to control world events in his role as messiah, you are lying to yourself and deceiving others.

This is the same Moon who teaches Jesus was a failure and now serves Moon's dead son in Heaven. Moon's son Hyung jin says that Jesus, Muhammad(PBUH) and all past saints bow before Sun Myung Moon. He says Moon's "love" is greater than anything Jesus ever put forward. This is the same Moon who claims he is G-d incarnate and speaks for G-d. In other words whenever you hear Moon or a follower say they support "G-d's will" they mean as Moon defines it.