Alex80, I totally agree with your sentiments. Very well said!
I don't see anything worth writing home about this S. Korean model. Why not the more superior Taiwanese or Singaporean models?
This so-called South Korean "model" is simply a variant - simply a kinder, gentler approach - of the draconian model practiced by their Chinese cousins!
Yet, in my native Kenya, it is the police rungu - batons - that is the model.
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For some low self-esteem folks, especially those with an a priori anti-Japanese bias this seeming mishap by Abe and his cabal on their response to SARS Cov-2 is a godsend - an apt opportunity to display their prejudices unimpeded.
It's patently clear that many more people will die in Japan, no doubt. But let's all remember where this thing all originated from - in Wuhan Hubei Province.
And in South Korea, let's not forget that it was the actions of ignorant, selfish and arrogant troupe of religious zealots in Daegu, that spread this disease willy-nilly as would a Savannah wildfire in my native Kenya.
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Well, Japan under Shinzo Abe is now on course to joining the incompetent CCP regime of Xi and the hapless and inept South Korean Moon Jae-in, who fiddled while Daegu's SARS COV-2 numbers exploded!
Great job China and the religious zealots in Daegu for spreading this virus and destroying the global economy.
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Misery loves company.
Why do all these assorted Koreans and Chinese posting here want to force their opinions as fact? So that you guys and Japan can share your woeful state? Will that line of deluded thinking then reduce COVID-19?
Imagine if I a native born Kenyan started comparing the numbers of coranivirus in Kenya with Somalia, Rwanda, Uganda, etc.
Your statements are indicative of both your countries low self confidence and self-doubt viz a viz Japan.
Please stick to scientific facts and not Brother Grimm type of tales!
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Sorry Korea, this is not time for your usual reflexive and irrational Hwa-byung.
Poor hygiene in South Korea probably contributed towards the rapid spread of this virus -- same as among your Chinese cousins. I dread for what would happen in Africa, my native continent.
Hanguk, please stop your hyper-sensitivity and irrationality and let's all work together towards a common solution.
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Just another day of love, peace, and unity on the Korean Peninsula.
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Korea's inferiority complex viz a viz Japan is mind boggling.
Just stay home in Korea, please. This COVID-19 will not be defeated by your tiresome petulance, histrionics and throwing your usual temper tantrums aka Hwabyeong!
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My neighboring country, Tanzania, and the island of Zanzibar has stopped ALL Italian tourists from visiting to protect their population from COVID-19.
It's befuddling why Koreans insist, nay, demand that they MUST be allowed into Japan.
Indeed, Koreans are a unique lot.
There are plenty of things for you to do beautiful Chosen! Watch K-pop!
Please stay home; tafadhali.
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In Kenya we have a saying that: Every market has a madman!
Well, it seems to me that South Korea under the inept regime of Moon Jae-in is the madman of East Asia!
What gall. Stay home.
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I don't see how one can reasonably draw an inference between "my long post..." and the presence or abscence of democracy in South Korea.
As for the rest of what you wrote, of course, indeed you and your countrymen have a right to exercise your democratic rights. Having a free exchange of ideas, freedom of speech and assembly, without the fear of retribution from so-called authorities; those are hallmarks of what it means to be a democracy. Kudos to you and the broader RoK populace!
However, it's about time Koreans started working on the next phase of their collective national enlightenment by letting go of their irrational hatred and bitterness of Japan and the Japanese.
To partly paraphrase Bob Marley: [Koreans] Emancipate yourself from mental slavery....
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You are right - to an extent, that I may not know everything about the deranged Korean president Moon Jae-in.
What I do know is that he is patently inept and grossly incompetent. Look, I visit Seoul, on business on average four to six times a year. Over the last three years I've been to S.Korea I talk to many young people - guys and gals - and many of them tell me they simply want to get the heck out of a country that offers them very prospects for their future aspirations. They want to immigrate or work in the US, Japan, Canada, Australia, Etc.
Moon Jae-in got clobberred in this instance. He knows it and so to do the other 50 million plus Hanguk.Moon got his derrière handed to him!
Korea is pretty much a borderline developing country, is too dependent on Japan for the real hi-tech cutting edge machines, products and materials. Period.
Until Korea gets to, say, thirty or forty percent of the level of Japanese scientific, research and technological prowess - they will continue being the poorer and lesser cousin!
Look as Moon and Korea continues to grovel for: Flourinated Polymide, Resist, and Hydrogen Flouride.
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In my native Swahili we have a saying: Debe tupu haliachi kuvuma -- translation; an empty container makes the loudest noise.
Korea, please learn to be calm and less reflexive - it makes one have the ability to think clearly and reflectively, okay. And, Kim withdrawing the case at the WTO - that you were bound to lose in the first place! Don't you have any well trained trade negotiators in the RoK?
Any sane, intelligent and rational person could have predicted this outcome today.
Korea capitulated! As usual!
No loud, wailing and gnashing of the teeth will change the facts!
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Sorry, Lee Ok-seen, the Japanese do NOT need to repent to you or other so-called comfort women. Not at all.
You and others of your ilk were paid $billions way back in 1965, in the form of cash reparations to each "victim" of Japanese colonialism, subsequently your country received massive Japanese grants, loans, industrial machinery, technical expertise from the Japanese that pretty much lifted your country from the backwaters that it had been and catapulted you into the success that you are today, the so-called Miracle on Han River!
Do ask the successive South Korean governments from the Park Chung-hee administration onwards until the current regime of megalomaniac Moon Jae-in, to pay you back the huge reparations payments the RoK absconded with back in 1965!
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@Tom Doley -
I will use your parlance that, there's nothing "obnoxious" about acknowledging and thanking the Japanese for engineering the modernization and industrialization of Korea.
But in order to have an intellectual debate one needs a grasp of facts: Korea was not a colony in, say, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880, and 1890s, well before the Japanese set foot in Korea! Meiji Japan took the cue from Europe and started the industrialization process.
During this period in the middle of the nineteenth century when the rest of the world was rapidly industrializing, the inept and corrupt Yi Dynasty was unable or simply incapable of initiating or encouraging the most basic semblance of modernization and industrialization. Why? It took the Japanese to shake Joseon off its stupor.
It's a fact that Korea hitherto a backward country progressed rapidly during the period of Japanese colonialism of Korea from 1910-1945.
And yes, that period of Japanese colonialism was also repressive.
See, you can have a rational debate - if you choose to - once you set emotions aside and are willing to stick to the facts at hand!
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An amazing display of South Africa laager defense that the English could not breach.
Land this Kolbe guy scored a mesmerizing try; and Mampimpi with his chip and try!
My adopted country, the US, has another four years to improve. And still hoping to see my native Kenya make it to the rugby WC - but ranked only #32 that's a long way to go.
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What a misleading headline.
It seems to me that the correct title should read: S Korean lawmakers issue conditions for detente with Japan.
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It's clear to all and sundry that some of these women were indeed in brothels. After all, it happens in every war, especially when rights and conventions were/are weakly enforced.
As Idi Amin's forces retreated after losing the war to the Tanzanian forces in 1979, we heard of the many cases of brothels. Yet there were also those Ugandan women who willingly joined the trade to provide services as prostitutes. I'm almost certain that our US soldiers had something similar - brothels - going on during the Vietnam War.
But Koreans ought to accept that some of these women willingly joined the trade in the face of poverty, at the behest of family, or to assist their families to survive during perilous times. And, yes, many others were forced by the invading forces.
Folks, the reality of our world is murky: it's not always a world of absolutes - that good is here... bad is there. No, it isn't.
Complicity under duress is a human trait - be it in Africa, MidEast, South Asia, East Asia, Europe or wherever!
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I still buy Sony TV and home theater. Sony is synonymous with quality IMO.
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Please note correction:
....to tame his enigmatic brother, Kim Jong-un.
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Was it not Moon Jae-in, who in making his pilgrimage to Pyongyang, wanted the world to believe that he had the diplomatic skill to tame his enigmatic brother, Kim Jong-il?
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@Tom Doley -
You have a right to your opinion but you cannot just invent facts and expect people to play along.
For starters, I didn't suggest that Japanese colonization was the only way for Korea to modernize. Alas.
Korea, like any other country was free to industrialize in the early 1800s, or in the 1850s, and even well into the 1890s. Korea did not, why? Remember that the Europeans began to industrialize; first in Britain, followed by France, Germany, and then across the Atlantic in the US. The Japanese were the Asian anomaly. So give credit to the Japanese for realizing the need and importance of modernization and industrialization during the Meiji era.
So, why not Korea or Joseon? At this point of time in the Nineteenth century - 1850s-1890s - Korea was still not colonized. You were free to modernize and industrialize, but didn't, because your Yi Dynasty was inept and corrupt. Your cousins, in China, under the Qing Dynasty were also not a colony of the Japanese in the 1800s. But they too failed to modernize and develop.
Give credit where it's due: the Japanese opted to imitate the Europeans as needed and to trade with the Europeans when necessary! That's what spurred Japanese industrial revolution during Meiji. The Japanese leadership had foresight - the Korean under the incompetent and corrupt Yi Dynasty lacked foresight and leadership! And so did the inept and decadent Qing in China.
So, in Asia, that's the point at which we see the divide into industrial Japan and non-industrial countries like Korea and China. The examples were there for all to follow: the technologies that spurred Japan in industrialization: coal, smelting pig iron, using steam engine, were also available to Korea.
Blame your inept Yi Dynasty - not the Japanese!
As for Korea ending up as a divided country, sorry. That has everything to do with Yalta Conference in 1945. You can thank Stalin, Truman, and Churchill for the division. And Gen. Hodges. Oh....and Kim Il-sung.
Japan is not to blame!
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@Tom Doley -
First off, I am not Japanese!
I am a Kenyan born black African, whose country faced even more severe colonialism than the picnic you guys encountered under the progressive and modernizing Japanese, who when they departed in 1945, bequeathed your country hitherto a backward and primitive society with a semblance of modernization and industrialization!
If Korea was such a great country prior to the arrival of the Japanese, why did you fail to industrialize and modernize? It was the Japanese crossing the Sea of Japan in their civilizing mission that finally shook the decadent Joseon Yi Dynasty from its stupor of backwardness.
Do thank the Japanese for giving you the building blocks that has made Korea - the RoK - what it is today, a modern country! The Japanese invested so much in you guys; education, management, technology, agriculture, etc.
If the Japanese hadn't taken over your country, today South Korea would either be under the Chinese, or perhaps the Russians. Or, maybe the DPRK!
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Several Koreans whom I've met in the US, or when I travel overseas, concede these facts, that:
The very short period of Japanese colonialism in Korea - 1910-1945 - was a progressive period that saw the most rapid modernization and transformation of the Korean economy and society in her 2,000 years plus history.
For the first time in Korea's history, the Japanese colonialist introduced and developed modern railways, a modern telephone and communications grid, a modern road system, a national banking system, an effective public health system - Seoul, a former cesspool of disease finally became habitable for many a slum dweller there, thanks to Japanese sanitation measures. In agriculture, an extensive rural irrigation system, was developed, thus improving agricultural yields, particularly hybrid rice.
Plus, the freeing of the Korean hoi polloi from chattel slavery under the Yangbyan and the decadent, inept Yi Dynasty saved millions of Koreans.
Compensation? For what?
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Folks, per the Korean mindset there is an inverse correlation between boycotting Japanese products and growing the Korean economy!
Meanwhile, the Korean economy is in the doldrums and Korean youth are bitter for want of jobs and future prospects at home; many want to emigrate from Korea to better prospects in the US, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc.
Korean companies are losing market share to Chinese rivals in every sphere: Samsung is steadily losing to Huawei, Oppo, et al; Hyundai to assorted PRC competitors; in Semi Conductors and Microchips too, Chinese firms are steadily clobbering Hanguk!
And here we have a nation of 50 million whose national hobby is the practice of Hwabyeong throwing their perennial histrionics and tantrums.
Par for the course.
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Sh1mon M4sada -
You absolutely capture the core argument! The law of unintended consequences.
The deluded west, essentially created the PRC and N Korea during World War 2.
The West, more so, the US, did liberate China and the Koreas from the might of the valiant Imperial Army of Japan.
Absent the US intervention in the Pacific theater of battle that finally rescued and saved China and the two Koreas from the yoke of the battle-hardened Japanese, those three countries would today be speaking Japanese as their lingua franca.
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In the US, for instance, many ostensible tourists add to the number of our undocumented immigrants.
Using tourism as a pretext to immigrate is the other untold story of this so-called over-tourism story.
The countries that send the most undocumented "tourists" turned illegals to the US are:
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Well, folks, just as a recalcitrant toddler sooner or later realizes the folly of throwing temper tantrums as the parent ignores her, I see in this story that the inept Moon cabal and the Republic of Korea, has finally come to terms with brutal reality.
Today, as always, Korea continues to need the more advanced Japanese and its high technology than the converse. I can't think of anything substantial that Japan obtains from the RoK that Japan cannot obtain from third parties via a simple substitution-effect. Not so for the Hanguk people! They NEED Japan!
This is a plaintive cry from Seoul heard across the Sea of Japan for three main product: Flourinated Polymide; Resist; and, Hydrogen Flouride.
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Well, as you can see the lure of the Anglo-Saxon countries is quite strong: these countries offer migrants more rights and freedoms, economic opportunities, civil and political rights - including minority rights - than they'd get in their own countries of origin - be it those emigrating from Vietnam, South Korea, Afghnanistan, my fellow continental Africans, Middle Easterners, Latinos, etc!
These poor folks typically want to immigrate to the US, the U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Their other options are: Japan and Singapore.
Then you have those who will gravitate to their ethnic enclaves in Germany, the Benelux countries or Scandinavia.
Interestingly, whenever I'm in Korea I'm amazed at the number of youth who are so eager to emigrate from their poor job opportunities in Korea and hoping for greener pastures in Japan, Australia, Canada or the US!
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