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@Ossan

As stated previously, Kishi wasn't charged depite being responsible for death by forced labor, selling opium with yakuza, embezzling and money laundering etc. in order so that he could be used as US proxy in the role of prime minister.

That is the historical reality.

As is the culture of corruption in the LDP created by this US engineered situation that continues to afflict the Japanese people down to the present day.

@Ossan

established facts:

Kishi Nibusuke signed the declaration of war against the US in 1941

Kishi implemented slave labor policies resulting the misery and deaths of countless individuals

Kishi worked closely with yakuza selling opium during the war and continued to collaborate with them after the war even after he became prime minister with the support of the US govt

Kishi talked openly about how to embazzzle money and avoid blame

These and a host of other dirty deeds are not merely part of encyclopedic entries but were activities deliberately engaged in by Kishi which negatively impacted people then and continues to the present day via the corruption culture which he established within the LDP.

So keep on obfuscating and avoiding reality, Ossan.

@Ossan

Yes okay let's learn something, shall we?-

[ Nobusuke Kishi (岸 信介, Kishi Nobusuke, 13 November 1896 – 7 August 1987) was a Japanese bureaucrat and politician who was Prime Minister of Japan from 1957 to 1960.

Known for his exploitative rule of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo in Northeast China in the 1930s, Kishi was nicknamed the "Monster of the Shōwa era" (昭和の妖怪; Shōwa no yōkai).[1] Kishi later served in the wartime cabinet of Prime Minister Hideki Tōjō as Minister of Commerce and Vice Minister of Munitions,[2] and co-signed the declaration of war against the United States on December 7, 1941.

After World War II, Kishi was imprisoned for three years as a suspected Class A war criminal. However, the U.S. government did not charge, try, or convict him, and eventually released him as they considered Kishi to be the best man to lead a post-war Japan in a pro-American direction.

As prime minister, Kishi's mishandling of the 1960 revision of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty led to the massive 1960 Anpo protests, which were the largest protests in Japan's modern history and which forced him to resign in disgrace.[6]

In order to make it profitable for the zaibatsu to invest in Manchukuo, Kishi had a policy of lowering the wages of the workers to the lowest possible point, even below the "line of necessary social reproduction."[25] The purpose of Manchukuo was to provide the industrial basis for the "national defense state," with American historian Mark Driscoll noting that, "Kishi's planned economy was geared towards production goals and profit taking, not competition with other Japanese firms; profit would come primarily from rationalizing labor costs as much as possible. The ne plus ultra of wage rationalization would be withholding pay altogether—that is, unremunerated forced labor."[26] Accordingly, the Japanese conscripted hundreds of thousands of Chinese as slave labor to work in Manchukuo's heavy industrial plants. In 1937, Kishi signed a decree calling for the use of slave labor to be conscripted both in Manchukuo and in northern China, stating that in these "times of emergency" (i.e. war with China), industry needed to grow at all costs while guaranteeing healthy profits for state and private investors.[27] Starting in 1938 and continuing to 1945, about one million Chinese were taken every year to work as slaves in Manchukuo.[28] The harsh conditions of Manchukuo were well illustrated by the Fushun coal mine, which at any given moment had about 40,000 men working as miners, of whom about 25,000 had to be replaced every year as their predecessors had died due to poor working conditions and low living standards.[23]

Kishi showed little interest in upholding the rule of law in Manchukuo.[29] Kishi expressed views typical of his fellow colonial bureaucrats when he disparagingly referred the Chinese people as "lawless bandits" who were "incapable of governing themselves".[29] According to Kishi's subordinates, he saw little point in following legal or juridical procedures because he felt the Chinese were more akin to dogs than human beings and would only understand brute force.[29] According to Driscoll, Kishi always used the term "Manshū" to refer to Manchukuo, instead of "Manshūkoku", which reflected his viewpoint that Manchukuo was not actually a state, but rather just a region rich in resources and 34 million people to be used for Japan's benefit.[29] In his later years, Kishi recalled how "inhuman" treatment of Chinese people had become naturalized among the Japanese colonial elite, turning human beings into "mechanical instruments of the Imperial Army, non-human automatons, absolutely obedient" to their Japanese masters.[29]

Kishi's dinner companions were fellow bureaucrats, businessmen seeking government contracts, Army officers and yakuza gangsters.[30] The presence of the latter was due to Kishi's involvement with the opium trade; the Manchukuo State Opium Monopoly needed distributors to move its products around the world, which in turn required contacts with the underworld in the form of the yakuza.[31] Additionally, Kishi used yakuza thugs to terrorize the Chinese workers in Manchukuo's factories into submission, and ensure that there were no strikes caused by the long hours, low pay and poor working conditions.[32]

 Before returning to Japan in October 1939, Kishi is reported to have advised his colleagues in the Manchukuo government about corruption: "Political funds should be accepted only after they have passed through a 'filter' and been 'cleansed'. If a problem arises, the 'filter' itself will then become the center of the affair, while the politician, who has consumed the 'clean water', will not be implicated. Political funds become the basis of corruption scandals only when they have not been sufficiently 'filtered.'"[4]

Is it clear enough for you now, Ossan + like-minded folk not familiar with the facts of the situation?- These are the people the US reinstated to power in the post-war era in order to gain control over Japan. And JT, this is totally on topic as Ossan questioned my statements and claimed they were false.

@Ossan

Again the constantly repeated myth. No "War Criminals" were put into power in post WWII Japan. War Criminals were charged, tried, convicted and sentenced by the International Tribunal for the Far East. Nobusuke Kishi was never charged as a WarCriminal.

This is the typical spin put on the situation to obfuscate and deceive people. Kishi etc. were incarcerated in Sugamo prison in 1945 due to the millions who suffered owing to their policies, but were then released in 1948 without being formally charged in order to do the US' bidding without the war criminal stigma.

The fact that you deliberately avoid mentioning this speaks volumes about the views and information you spread here.

People who say countries can kick out the US bases anytime they want are living in some fantasy world detached from the realities of geopolitics.

LDP is so clearly rampant with corruption and rotten to the core, yet because they are pro-US are supported by a large number of posters here.

Far more credible that news out of China, Russia or any other autocracy.

You probably still believe Russia won't invade Ukraine, right?

Your level of reasoning and understanding is simple and predictable.

You probably went along with the western media on the invasion of Iraq, and would have also obviously done so with Vietnam when the alleged Gulf of Tonkin incident was reported.. .both of which led to the unnecessary deaths and suffering of a whole lot of people, so that the elites who manipulate people through the media could cash in.

Well, keep being their follower, not for me.

Try to pay attention if you read the news at all.

Because we all know the western press is the gospel lol

South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said the North Korean warplanes were detected in various areas inland and along the country’s eastern and western coasts, but they did not come particularly close to the inter-Korean border.

None of those planes breached the South Korean military’s virtual “tactical action” line, which is designated 20 to 50 kilometers (12 to 31 miles) north of the Koreas’ land and sea boundaries for monitoring purposes to give the South enough time to respond to provocations or attacks.

Multinational corporations and their backers.

John Pilger made a documentary about this which can be viewed on Youtube called The New Rulers of the World.

Here is a summary:

[ John Pilger’s documentary on globalisation brings together several of the themes that run throughout his work – the way in which superpowers use small countries as pawns in their global strategies, the courting of dictators by the West to open the doors to valuable resources and the exploitation of workers in those countries to provide riches in which they do not share. 

The New Rulers of the World puts the story of multinationals’ global domination into a political context and demonstrates how the West has increased its stranglehold on poor countries by using the might of the IMF, World Bank and World Trade Organization to control their economies. ]

IMF, mouthpiece and economic/monetary policy enforcer for western global elites.

Check the facts-

US sponsored Chiang Kai shek ran away to Taiwan after being trounced by Mao in China, despite having American weapons, fighter jets etc at his disposal.

Chiang and Shanghai mafia cohorts then set up shop with US support in Taiwan to be a thorn in the side of China and provide future opportunities to provoke a conflict which would enable the US to complete what it had originally sought to do via Chiang, as it currently does now now with South Korea and Japan; exercise US hegemony to further US interests.

Ever talk to anyone from Taiwan? Most adults live with their parents, because they HAVE TO due to the fact that the average salaries are barely enoough to pay rent. That is the magical reality of gangster democracy in Taiwan, and what certain people are saying we need to commit billions of dolllars to fight and die for.

[ The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification movement leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is a part of the Unification movement.[9][10]

Throughout its history, The Washington Times has been known for its conservative political stance,[3][4][5][6] supporting the policies of Republican presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.[11][12] 

U.S. President Ronald Reagan read The Washington Times every day during his presidency.[13] In 1997, he said: "The American people know the truth. You, my friends at The Washington Times, have told it to them. ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times#:~:text=The%20Washington%20Times%20was%20founded,part%20of%20the%20Unification%20movement.

And as reported here recently, next the US and others plan to deveop the Arctic region.

Fantastic.

The west has not forgotten which nation refused to allow UN sponsored national elections in 1947

The majority of South Koreans also oppposed the UN elections, which may have led to the US-installed Rhee Syngman to start massacreing ROK citizens who were not viewed as pro-US, starting with Jeju do in 1948 and then continuing with the massive Bodo League incident, which was based on the fact that the majority of ROK citizens were anti-US in 1950.

Actually it's much worse- not just Yokosuka, but all throughout Japan where there are US bases...this was reported elsewhere (obviously not here which is why some posters here are oblivious to the facts) 2 years ago-

TOKYO -- An Environment Ministry water quality study has revealed that contamination levels at 37 water sources exceeded provisional national targets, with high levels of two types of chemical compounds suspected to induce cancer found near U.S. military bases and industrial areas throughout Japan.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200619/p2a/00m/0na/020000c

And guess what, the whole Pacific region:

[ The U.S. military presence in the Pacific is generally discussed in terms of geopolitics and strategy. Less prominent are analyses of the human and environmental impact of U.S. military bases and weapons tests. Jon Mitchell, a Japan-based journalist, has long investigated precisely those problems. Mitchell, the author of three Japanese-language books on military contamination outlines the environmental impact of the U.S. post-war military presence in his new book, “Poisoning the Pacific.” ]

https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/how-the-us-military-wound-up-poisoning-the-pacific/

Ah no, not propaganda.

The LDP is in the US' hip pocket to the extent that if Kamiji made a false statement about the US military he would be out on his butt in a second.

Added to that is the US military has already been confirmed to have been guilty of dumping toxic chemicals in various countries around the world where they have bases...they literally produce tons of toxic wastes with all of their activities, and yes those toxic wastes have to go somewhere.

[ I doubt most Americans will be tourists Of Okinawa. We have Hawaii! ]

Yes, and in the process the Hawaiian people have become the poorest, least healthy group of people on what was formerly their own land. But hey enjoy your vacation at the Hyatt, don't mind the Polynesians cleaning your room and transporting your luggage.

Yea the US has confirmed what Waters has been saying since 1972, though recently it has started to backpedal on that in order to justify a military confrontation... which naturally isn't appreciated by China.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220722001126/https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/121325

A big element in K films is the type of biting social commentary and issues that Jpn film companies and producers are generally reluctant to address.

The 1965 Treaty will never be agreed to because it was made with then president Park Chung-hee, who during WWII swore fealty to Emperor Hirohito with his own blood signature before serving in the Japanese Imperial Army.

Then of course after WWII Park was sent by the US to train at Fort Sill in Oklahoma before returning to South Korea and leading the illegal coup d'etat which resulted in him being installed as president.

So actually there are two major reasons why the 1965 Treaty will never be agreed to...and the third and perhaps biggest reason is the majority of the money that Japan paid to supposedly compensate the Koreans who labored for the Japanese during the war was never relayed to those people but instead was used by Park to develop South Korea, i.e. highways and bridges.

Here we go again-

conservative pro-US party with roots in assisting Japan when Korea was a Japanese colony will attempt to patch things up, then when the public outcry comes they will backpedal...then when the opposition party comes into power again they will sweep aside all that the conswrvatives have done...in real terms the Korean war rages on even within South Korea.

A strong earthquake shook Taiwan on Sunday as a series aftershocks hit the self-governing island off China’s east coast.

Yes yes we know Taiwan is a self-governing 'democratic' country etc. we all need to be reminded lol

More US ratcheting up tensions.

Go ahead keep sending more delegations and sell more weapons to Taiwan, it'll really help 'keep the peace.'

Remains to be seen how this will actually be handled...until then another nice-sounding LDP promise to secure the next election.

Being swindled out of money is just one facet about how cults can impact families...obviously Yamagami was also subject to being brought up in a household upended by a mentally weak/off the rails mother, which obviously had something to do with his father and brother committing suicide, so this isn't simply about money, it's much bigger than that.

The fact that cults will target and intentionally exploit people like Yamagami's mother puts lawmakers aligned with such cults who are paid by citizens to look after them on thin ice regarding those individuals who have suffered as a direct result of those lawmakers working closely with and mutually profiting with said cults.

Nothing to be surprised about (i.e. the fact that it's Korean-based, that the network is so widespread and deep, etc.) if you understand what was unearthed by Congress about the UC- that it is essentially an anti-communist political tool created ultimately by the CIA (via the KCIA) to be used to further US hegemony in East Asia.

Once one sees that, it's obvious that Kishi (released from Sugamo prison by the US to do its bidding) would go along and help the UC gain a foothold in Japan, as it's clearly another key member of the pro-US/anti-communist coalition...goes hand in hand with the fact that the LDP was essentially installed by the CIA.

[ In 1977, the Subcommittee on International Organizations of the Committee on International Relations, of the United States House of Representatives reported that the movement was established by Kim Chong Pil, director of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency, for political purposes.[11]

[ In 1997, Congressman Donald Fraser launched an investigation into Moon's cult. The 444-page Congressional report alleged Moonie involvement with bribery, bank fraud, illegal kickbacks, and arms sales. The report revealed that Moon's 20,000-member Unification Church was a creation of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA). The Moonies were working with KCIA Director Kim Chong Phil as a political instrument to influence U.S. foreign policy. The U.S. CIA was the agency primarily responsible for founding the KCIA after WW II. ]

[ In a major covert operation of the cold war, the Central Intelligence Agency spent millions of dollars to support the conservative party that dominated Japan's politics for a generation.

Though the C.I.A.'s financial role in Japanese politics has long been suspected by historians and journalists, the Liberal Democrats have always denied it existed, and the breadth and depth of the support has never been detailed publicly. Disclosure of the covert aid could open old wounds and harm the Liberal Democrats' credibility as an independent voice for Japanese interests.

"This story reveals the intimate role that Americans at official and private levels played in promoting structured corruption and one-party conservative democracy in post-war Japan, and that's new," said John Dower, a leading Japan scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "We look at the L.D.P. and say it's corrupt and it's unfortunate to have a one-party democracy. But we have played a role in creating that misshapen structure." ]

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/09/world/cia-spent-millions-to-support-japanese-right-in-50-s-and-60-s.html

Note to JT: This post is definitely NOT off-topic.

@Honest Dictator

CCP (unlike the US) doesn't have a history of using missiles to invade another country, so you're dead wrong there.

@Desert Tortoise

We all know that hardware can be switched out in an instant.

China has not used missiles to attack other countries.

Everyone knows the US' track record...any wonder that China is not happy with the US building missile-related facilities and selling missiles to neighboring countries?

It's not rocket science.

For the same reason that Russia felt compelled to invade Ukraine after the US installed missile-related facilities in Romania and Poland, China may be goaded into a conflict over Taiwan, something not lost on Pelosi and her associates.

VW also faked data unfortunately it seems to be a tendency of the automobile industry- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34324772

Having said that...20 years makes Hino a little special in this regard.