Mr. Noidall comments

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They are not. Even you accept that black people are disproportionately more likely to be killed by police. That is not "equal opportunity", by your own admission.

You accepted, in your post above, that black people are disproportionately suffering from police brutality. I'll remind you:

No I didn’t accept that blacks are suffering more from police brutality. I admitted that blacks are shot more by police because they are more resistant and violent towards police when they encounter police, which is more often because they commit more crime. Not because they are black. I’m done with you on this point.

It was illegal for him to have a gun, the police let him go, and — as a reminder — it is illegal to murder people. I find it unusual that you need to be taught this, but Rittenhouse committed one of the most terrible crimes you can commit, twice, with an illegal weapon. The police were there, and they didn't arrest him on the spot. They let him go home. Why do you think that was?

if I’m not mistaken, he was arrested and is awaiting due process. No I don’t need to be told about the wrongness of murder. Did he cooperate with the cops when they approached him? We all saw the lawlessness many people were allowed to commit over the summer. A police station was allowed to burn while cops and national guard stood by. Elderly were beaten during the summer riots by black protesters, on film, nothing happened.

Why do you think that was?

I don’t know. I wasn’t in the cops head and I don’t know all the exact details of the case. It’s best not to assume. Is possible, yes, but I don’t know.

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Well, hang on. You said before that black neighbourhoods are heavily policed because that's where all the crime is. Now

They are. But in light of the events this summer, this is what’s happening.

These are also bad, and BLM supports any efforts to get justice by anyone murdered by the police:

When video footage was released Friday of a white Mesa, Ariz., police officer shooting dead a white man after the victim begged for his life while crawling on the floor, it was Black Lives Matter activists who called his death an outrage. The All Lives Matter crowd said nothing about Daniel Shaver's violent demise

https://www.nola.com/opinions/article_4f6138fe-ea8c-551b-9e60-9e99feacacf2.html

*The rally, held in Floyd’s name, was about much more than his legacy. It was also about Botham Jean, a black man shot and killed by a Dallas police officer after she entered his apartment believing it was her own. It was about Darius Tarver, a black man shot and killed by Denton police after being tased while suffering a mental breakdown. It was about Tony Timpa, a white man suffocated by Dallas police after he was arrested, like Floyd. It was about Atatiana Jefferson, a black woman shot and killed through a window by Fort Worth police while she babysat her nephew. The rally was about all police brutality, fatal or not, and its disproportionate effect on the black community.*

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2020/06/this-rage-that-you-hear-is-real-on-the-ground-at-the-dallas-protests/

Exactly. Cops are equal opportunity brutalizers. There was also no outrage from almost anyone. That’s because these killings weren’t reported in the same sensationalistic way as the cases where the victim was black. You proved the point: their is no pogrom against blacks. You were misled by the media into believing that blacks are suffering disproportionately from police brutality. Only racists think one race is more important than another.

I note that you also haven't addressed the fact that a black man accused of passing forged currency was murdered, while a white man who murdered two people was treated with kid gloves. What is your explanation for this?

Probably because he was legally armed and probably cooperated with police.

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No-one has claimed this. What is being claimed is that black people are often killed in circumstances where a white person wouldn't be, or accused of resisting arrest where a white person would be dealt with more carefully. Consider George Floyd was murdered for supposedly trying to pass a fake $20 bill, while Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people, killing two, and was allowed to go home before police calmly and carefully arrested him.

Tony Timpa was killed just like Floyd. Daniel shaver was killed for much less. There are even suggestions that many cops ignore crime in black neighborhoods because they don’t want to be falsely accused of racism.

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What I notice about both of these positions you have adopted this morning, despite the fact that they contradict each other, is that they deny that racism is a factor or even a possibility. If black people aren't killed disproportionally, then there cannot be racism. If they are, it's their fault, so it's not racism.

I will be the first to admit there are racist cops, and police brutality perpetrated by racist cops. I reject the white liberal sponsored narrative that any altercation between a white cop and a black citizen that results in the death of the citizen is by default evidence of systematic racism by the cops. The link I posted did say that blacks are shot disproportionately. But the article showed that it’s not because of race. I’ll say it again, the facts and stats show that blacks are not systematically killed by cops in a racist plot. Are there some racist sure. Humanity isn’t perfect. But the evil cops hunting blacks like game? No. Rayshard Brooks and Jacob Blake are more common than George Floyd.

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I'm not zichi.

I know. I was replying to him.

What I mean is that from your point of view, blacks are killed at a higher rate. That’s because you ignore other variables such as high crime and resisting and fighting with the officer. But, ironically, you do acknowledge those variables: “Ignoring the clear ignorance of wider societal issues that contribute towards higher rates of criminality” . But I and many others, including blacks, don’t agree with your moral relativism. And why are blacks only afforded this excuse? Other groups suffer poverty, they don’t necessarily commit crime. Besides, it does nothing to reduce the crime by forgiving it as you do. Blacks suffer because of white liberals with this warped view

from my point of view, and the stats back it up, blacks ( being very general here) commit higher crimes and violent crimes. They get involved with cops at higher rates. They resist at higher rates. To me, I consider those variables before I pass judgment on all law enforcement and scream for their dismantling. Especially since decent folks in high crime neighborhoods need them. So, I and the facts don’t believe cops are systematically murdering blacks.

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I was going to post this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

But this proves my point just as well:

Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than White Americans

Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.

So@Zichi Blacks (I’m being very abstract) commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population. Especially homicides. Black neighborhoods are heavily policed because the law abiding citizens that live in those neighborhoods call them very frequently (and now they want to take the cops away!) Black males, 6% of the population, commit upwards of 60% of all homicides. Simply put, blacks are involved with cops at a rate disproportionate to their population. Factor in the negative effects of “the talk”, resisting arrest, fight physically with the officer. There’s plausible reasons to explain what’s happening that don’t support the cops are racist narrative.

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As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootingsshowed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

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There’s plenty of evidence of whites being brutalized by police. I never said those incidents are strictly driven by race. My point was police brutality happens to all people. Police kill all people. In 2020, 432 whites were shot by cops compared to 226 blacks. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Frankly this topic is tiring. Especially since you can’t even admit that higher than average crime occurs in black neighborhoods. But since you want evidence:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/%3FoutputType%3Damp

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/judge-releases-video-of-police-shooting-of-daniel-shaver-after-officer-acquitted/2017/12/08/3e715e7a-dc3e-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_video.html

https://youtu.be/dDpJ5FtG6Ac

The last one, the white guy was killed by two Latino cops. So, it’s plausible the killing was racially motivated.

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What about police brutality against whites, because they're white. That was what you were originally talking about, wasn't it? You suggested that there was evidence, where is it?

Where’s the evidence of police brutality because they’re black?

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You mean instances of institutional mistreatment of white people on the basis of their skin colour? Why, do you have any?

Affirmative action? Current American universities?

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You mean instances of institutional mistreatment of white people on the basis of their skin colour? Why, do you have any?

The great Walter Williams said something to the effect that when you say institutional racism, that means you can’t point to any actual real racism. So you blame it on institutions. I believe him.

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@Mr. Noidall one was a riot the other was an invasion an attack on democracy get it? Yep thought not...What’s crazy, is millions actually can't work out in their little peanuts the difference between the two..

Yeah, I get it. But you weren’t talking about any riot. You were talking about George Floyd.

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There's also clear evidence and undeniable examples of police brutality against black people, e.g. what happened to George Floyd.

Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?

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People actually compare an unarmed black person being murdered by law enforcement to a group of nutjobs trying to overturn an election after believing lie upon lie spewed out by a bigger mentally unstable nutjob...I get it I really do...

That’s not what’s being compared. People are comparing the riots after that with the riot on the capitol. What’s crazy, is millions actually believe what you said.

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pretty doggone easy to 'deduce the sentiments' of people who continue to support this lot.

Let’s just hope you’re never selected for jury duty or never selected again.

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Posted in: U.S. airlines back Biden plan to mandate masks for passengers See in context

This makes no sense. All passengers are already mandated to wear a mask. You cannot enter an airport without a mask. You can’t get into the Uber to take you to the airport without a mask. This just makes Biden seem senile. There was even that video that went viral of a flight attendant telling passengers that if an attendant even once has to ask a passenger to put on a mask or to wear it properly above the nose, that passenger would be banned from flying for life and promptly arrested upon deplaning. Again, this makes no sense at all.

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I completely did agree with this article. I mean, right off the bat:

Black activists are coming out strongly against a growing narrative among conservatives that equates the deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol with last summer's Black Lives Matter protests of racial injustice.

The author calls the storm on the capitol deadly—which it was; but are we really supposed to pretend that the riots over the summer weren’t deadly? David Dorn, James Scurlock, Italia Kelly, Sequoia Turner—just to name a few. And according to Forbes, 19 people died during the blm riots. I guess for this author, these people aren’t authentic enough to qualify the term deadly. And I’m sure this will be deleted. Furthering the notion that comparing the two is wrong. But I ask, what did Plato say about justice? Not much considering he never really defined it, but one can infer, not mention intuit, that justice has something to do with truth. And if this is the point we’ve reached as societies, where social media and media promote blatant falsehoods, and condemn truth and go about banning and deleting and deliberately choosing untruth, then we are no longer concerned with justice; furthermore, it’s unscientific.

And the capitol building is not hallowed hallway: the government is for the people, and not the other way around. The small businesses that were torched and demolished this summer are what keep the lights on in DC.

Also, this author is either not sharp, or is a propagandist. 75 million Americans voted for Trump. A small fraction of radicals attacked the capitol. Even if it was a million, that means 74 million didn’t storm the capitol. The media, nor the author know the sentiments of these people concerning the people incident. Just because a small fraction of crazies stormed the capitol, journalists shouldn’t be given license to act unethically. And that’s what this article is in my opinion: unethical. Asking me to ignore the violence over the summer BLM riots where more people died, and then expecting me to zero in exclusively on the capitol incident is wanting me me to be stupid on purpose. If this article is the bar, then future is ruined.

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Posted in: A year after first confirmed death in China, coronavirus source still a puzzle See in context

Honest people willing to give China the benefit of the doubt believed them.

Those were the most dishonest people. They preferred untruth in their attempt to appear less racist and more politically correct. Thanks to their narcissism, millions have been affected by this virus.

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That is nothing short of fascism.

Sorry. But you don’t know what fascism is.

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Fixed it for you. It is a tragic story indeed.

Please explain how she was fighting for fascism.

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And people still can't see it.

The mob is dumb.

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The celebration won’t be so much a celebration for Biden as it will be for Trump’s departure. Just those who voted for Biden didn’t really vote for Biden so much as they voted against Trump. If I were Trump, I wouldn’t want to go either. It promises to be a somber day.

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Tragic. And Trump bears responsibility for all the lives lost including that of the police officer.

My in the opinions of children. But adults realize they’re responsible for their own actions.

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You’ll have to explain that. I was stating a fact. Facts are not hypocritical.

You modified someone’s post to fit your narrative. You changed the word protestor to criminal. You think that because she is white and a Trump supporter, she got what she deserved.

And then you allude to prior discussions of police vs criminals; aka, police brutality. All of that suggests hypocrisy: she’s white; and what’s more, a Trump supporter. So she got what she deserved. Whereas, say, a black criminal who’s shot by police while committing far more violent crimes than this white lady has done, is automatically immortalized and considered an innocent victim. Whether or not the police stepped overboard, the criminal element is never mentioned, and even denied. That’s blatant hypocrisy. But these days hypocrisy is celebrated as long as it sticks it to Trump.

But you’re not alone:

doesn’t matter how the shot is made when you face a terrorist, since when do we care ?

See?

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An unarmed white female criminal was killed by the police.

The hypocrisy has enough density to outweigh a singularity.

you mean like so many African Americans leading to the formation of the BLM.

You see, the white lady, who was committing a criminal act that warranted lethal action, is judged correctly: she was a criminal committing crime, she got what she deserved. Cool. No riots. But when a black person is killed, who was committing a criminal act that warrants lethal action, all you guys cry—c’mon man, you know the thing,man!

A little more fairness and less reverse racism disguised as anti-racism is really what the country needs right now. Lies just promote more division.

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The republicans are full of doom and gloom. Despite the evidence to the contrary, they think the sky will fall if democrats win.

I think the premonition is a little closer to the troposphere. It’s based on their track record.

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Posted in: California funeral homes run out of space as COVID-19 rages See in context

The fact that California’s leaders are apathetic about the third world conditions of their state is stunning.

During the lockdown: Nancy Pelosi mocking the working class with her boutique ice cream. It’s her right to do what she wants, but she can really come off in bad taste at times.

And Gavin Newsome just might be the worse governor in the history of the United States.

But hey, Californians get what they vote for.

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Posted in: Japan greets new year with crowds despite pleas from leaders to stay home See in context

Japanese going to shrines for most is more culture than religion.

Sure, maybe from a distanced, occidental anthropological point of view.

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Accept religious freedoms but personally dismiss them all. .

You can’t even put the first person singular subject in your sentence. It’s like not looking us in the eye when you tell us you’re tolerant.

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Good. It will be extremely refreshing to have competent individuals in the WH instead of the current muppet.

Being bombarded with headlines like the one above for four years, I’m not surprised you feel that way.

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