As government expenditure goes, this is completely innocuous and is being used here simply for Japan-bashing. If those commenting here were really concerned about tax money being wasted, they would focus on something really big ticket such as government plans to buy more than one hundred F35s at a total cost estimated to be north of $10 billion.
How is it a 'JAPAN BASHING' when the alternative we offer is for the good of the Japanese people? Buying these F35s are at least to help protect Japan from threats of potential enemies but this ritual cannot be justified why it costs billions because of it's confidentiality. If they are using tax money better to disclose where it is being used for.
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Still the Japans Royals are more humble and more subjective to the people of the land than most of the other royals.
At least Queen Elizabeth, Prince Harry and William served their military though.
I see Japan's Royal Family as Japan's obsession of copying the west. Like Tokyo Tower copying Eiffel tower, Rainbow bridge copying the Golden Gate and their Royal Family copying European royals particularly UK.
But it is more hassle in Japan because we laso have to use the Calendar system base on the dynasty era too (Show, Heisei, Reiwa) while at the same time using the universal western style calendar system as the primary.
And this is also not good for promoting equal rights for women as in the Royal Family women are always be inferior than men.
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I partially blame the US for this. After WW2 they have the opportunity to dismantle this like what the allies did to Nazi party but US allowed it to proceed. The funds that were used for the royal family after the war up to now can definitely help many Japanese citizen.
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Name one thing, one thing that him or his father did and can be truly considered a contribution to the world. There is none. Unless you consider that making blank statements and fake smiles in public is a big contribution to human kind. You may be brain washed and stupidly consider his father has a unique upbringing, the truth that there is nothing unique about him or any of them. They are just living a comfortable life paid with our tax money (workers money) literally doing nothing. That's the plain flat cold truth. You like it or not.
Very good points!
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As usual there is always someone ready to make a rediculous comment based purely on thin air!
How would you expect these people to be interesting if they spent their entire lives following royal protocols and their moves are numbered? They don't have the sense of reality , so how can they relate to normal people? From the time they wake up till they sleep, their actions are numbered and limited unless that fancy you?
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25 million live on or below the poverty level. 4 million kids living on or below the poverty level whose main meal of the day is their school lunches. NPO's like Second Harvest in Tokyo have increased demands for foods for the needy.
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I have no power to tell Japan to stop this so the only thing I can do is to let it be the way they want and comply but I really can't understand why Japan still needs to keep their Royal Family? Why are they so obsessed to always get aligned with Western Culture? This is like being want to become UK. If the Emperor has no political power then what is his purpose other than hosting these luxury events that is funded by the people who many are living in poverty. I see this just more of an entertainment, a luxury for the elite than a necessity for the majority of the Japanese people. I am nothing against it if it's not consuming too much from public funding and tax money must always be disclosed at all times.
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In other news outlet especially international one they said this trainee is another term for cheap labor. If it's truly trainee then why those trainee work in some industries that doesn't exist at all in their home country. Their specific skill will be completely meaningless when they go back to their home country.
Very true, this is rampant in country sides as the factories of these big companies are located in these areas. I used to live at Shizuoka and I remember meeting these people. They once asked for my help because they want to protest but they clearly signed contracts as "TRAINEE" the document / contracts are in english and japanese but these people also cannot speak english very well and due to desperation they just signed it without even challenging the agency who recruited them. I mainly blame these agencies for preying on these poor people. After they realized that they they cannot bring these companies down and they will not win that's when they ran away. Majority of illegal immigrants I know were used to be "Interns" and "Trainees" I don't agree with their decisions but I also cannot blame them and new laws like this will surely resolve this problem but I truly hope that this will be implemented not just to small and mediocre companies, but also to those who are big players as they are actually the ones who do these kinds of unjust practices.
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I've met some of these interns before and some major Japanese companies are the culprits. I don't know if this strategy is the idea of these companies to save labor costs or it's the fault of manpower agencies who recruited these people. These manpower companies do the recruiting on behalf of their big J-company clients and these people that they recruit are from the very remote places of third world countries and they offer them this opportunity and make it sound like it is a normal job, of course people from these areas are living in poverty and illiterate and due to their desperation they sign up without hesitation or understanding the deal clearly. They will receive around 60,000 - 70,000 JPY monthly and If you are from barrios this amount is big and tempting but when they move to Japan they realize that these payment are just allowance and not actual salaries and these definitely not enough to sustain a normal living in Japan. These result to poor living conditions, anxiety and depression. These people work as full time workers but obviously were paid very little and they are also introduced to Japanese working style where sempais bully their kouhais, Japanese people can accept and understand this but not these underpaid foreign workers who are already thinking that they were tricked. These trigger them to ran away and become illegal immigrants. I think if these companies intention is to train interns, they should recruit students directly from universities or vocational schools and not the people who are seeking jobs.
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"My investment decisions were in many ways poor. I regret them deeply,"
Son will still be a rich man and remains a CEO, Now many workers on the bottom of the chain and investors will pay for his poor decisions.
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There have been photography restrictions for decades. First the ban on using tripods in crowded locations in temples and shrines. Mostly because of Japanese photographers blocking the walkways and paths.
That is why stop over promoting Kyoto for tourism as tourists want to take remembrance and pictures especially of Gion. Restricting tripods and selfie sticks is totally different from prohibiting taking pictures at all.
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Citizens under the constitution have the right of freedom of movement. The business of the Geisha also involves visiting different place for training or for business. They are not slaves and prisoners who need to be locked away.
We are in 2019, there are always a way to hide them when they need to move around, but they want to complicate things like the way ramen shops would prefer their customers to wait outside and suffer for long time than expanding their shops. I think it's silly to walk around in Geisha outfit and expect not to get attention from tourists in an over promoted city for tourism. Really!? Taking their pictures while they are passing is already an act of slavery for you?
You are very obsessed from the numerous comments you have made on the post. Something like 44 posts of one third of those posted.
It's you who keep bringing Geisha up to me dude. I already moved on but you keep dragging me to it.
Geisha may appear in the tourists adverts but not exclusively because the majority of the popular tourists sites don't have Geisha.
That is why these Japanese tourism ads are advertising falsely to foreign tourists. Stop putting it on brochures and ads as if they are one of the main attractions as tourists will expect.
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And you know that from your two short visits which only was to Gion? You were able to discover what the locals want from that?
Nope I know this because of these prohibitions are implemented. The locals from Kyoto decided to take the EXTREME action of prohibiting picture taking at all despite that we all know this is what the tourists want? Without even making compromise or alternatives first. So I don't base my argument from my short visits, I base it on this decision that the locals imposed.
Everytime we walk into a restaurant we receive a warm greeting. But have also chatted with local people on the streets or in the parks and asked for directions sometimes.
Uhm everywhere in Japan is like that especially to customers, no matter how they hate you they will still show you kindness and good service, it's called omotenashi. Japanese are known for not expressing what they truly think, it's all sales. Again people in Venice did the same thing to us, As I said above one lady was so nice to us she showed and guide us the way to the tax refund office but also expresses calmly how they hate tourism in their town .
I guess you will give your support by not visiting again, dude.
Yes, I like other places in Japan than Kyoto anyway so the feeling will be mutual I guess. I am fine leaving Kyoto people alone and let it become a place only for themselves and I recommend other foreign tourists as well. There are other better places in Japan that they can discover and experience. Kyoto is too standard and boring. It's like wanting to see time square in NY or Eiffel Tower in Paris.
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Or, option C - encourage respectful tourism
But how can you have an option C if the prohibition is already decided and going to be implemented already? Because like I said compromise can be made and indeed we can encourage tourists to be extra more respectful without totally prohibiting them to take pictures, or put a designated spot where they can still take pictures of these popular sites. But again in Kyoto's current case, it was already decided to take the extreme action to prohibit tourists to take pictures so all options you added above are pointless.
This is ridiculous. "Don't like tourists? Then the extreme option of removing them altogether is the only other option."
Of course it is impossible to get rid of them completely as Kyoto is still a city and still part of the country. But if there is an option for that , I bet they will agree! Same as the people in Venice who are not really embracing the tourists but at the same time they don't have control to stop them.
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They are entitled to freedom of movement just like all citizens. You just need to be respectful and not try to get into their face. You can still take photo's form the other side of the road but you know in Kyoto there is so much nature and beauty to photograph why do you obsess over Geisha?
I am not obsess with them, I just thought of it as a false advertising. You see all Geishas all over travel brochures hooking the interests of tourists to visit and see them only to find out later on that it's prohibited and "Disrespectful" to take their pictures. So I think it's false advertisement.
Are you saying the Geisha are also prostitutes?
NO, I said if Japan can hide the prostitutes in red light districts not being seen out in public why can't they do the same with Geishas? Dress them up and keep them inside their establishment and don't allow them to wander around because obviously foreign tourists will be curious of them. So being annoyed when their pictures are taken on public areas in that outfit and make up is silly. But I am not implying that they are prostitutes.
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But the majority of phot's are not. I just spent some time looking at them. Your experience by your own admission is you have only visited Kyoto twice, and probably both times to Gion but you speak like you even know the city like some kind of expert, which you certainly are not.
Dude, I am not saying this out of my expertise, I am just supporting what the locals want! It's the locals who don't want tourists to flock and I support their sentiments. What you are trying to force feed me is Kyoto is the best city for tourists but that is not my argument. I agree that Kyoto is the most beautiful city, I agree that Geishas are private people but my point is stop over promoting this to foreign tourists as despite of it's beauty it is not meant for TOURISM especially for foreigners. So stop tourists for flocking this city as the locals don't want that! Instead let the tourists go to other places where they can be accommodated the way they want without limitations and let Kyoto become the way it was before.
No one has never tried to prevent me from taking photo's but then I don't try to take selfies or get in front of the Geisha to grab a photo unless she is some distance away.
Yeah but that was before the prohibition dude, now this new law is being implemented so it will change things going forward. You are talking about your past experience, well things will change from now on and this decisions came from the local residents!
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The Geisha are private individuals and not employed by the tourist authorities. They are going about their business like many others.
Then stop putting them on travel brochures and keep them inside their establishments. They can do that with prostitutes in Kabukicho, how come they can't do the same with Geishas? If they don't want the tourists and public to see, then stop wandering around the city in that outfit.
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But you are not being prevented from taking photo's. The rule is to prevent people entering private properties to take photo's. Applies to everyone.
Please read the article again. Yes applies to everyone but the law is made for tourists because why would the locals take pictures of Geishas when they see them every single day since they were born?
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There are thousands of photo's online of Gion Geisha smiling and showing pleasant facial expressions.
Some photos are staged and I am speaking from experience and check out the article again where locals are warning to stop taking Geisha's photos .
That is 100% incorrect having visited the city at least 50 times. You are the one not getting it. 75% of the visitors are domestic not foreigners.They could not even prevent Japanese people visiting since it would be against the constitution.
Yes indeed, Kyoto embraces Japanese people more for tourism . So stop OVER PROMOTING it to FOREIGN tourists. live it the way it was before where majority of the visitors are Japanese people and school tours. In that way the serenity and pureness of the city was kept.
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This sentence is indicating to me that you don't know what binary means. Binary means only two options, with no possibility in between. A binary option is either A or B, with no possibility of anything in between.
I know what binary means but you are just trying to contradict my point so refuse to understand. In Kyoto's case it is binary because of the way the current government is over promoting the tourism there . So they have 2 options A. Over promote it and people will flock and cause over tourism B. Stop promoting it so tourists will be less and controllable. So if you want sustainable tourism don't over promote it. The situation was not like that before until these past 5 years when Japan became lenient with tourists and you see Kyoto on every Japanese Travel brochures and books while there are way more better places to visit in Japan. But Kyoto is over promoted! Do Okinawa, Hokkaido and Nagazaki get the same problem? No! Because it is not being promoted much like Kyoto! So choose A. or B. ?
That's called sustainable tourism.
Really? Not allowing to take Photos is not too extreme for you ? Taking pictures is the most basic activity that tourists want and you prohibit it? Who is being extreme then?
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These apologists don't get it, the people of Kyoto will like it more if there were lesser tourists visiting their town. I don't really understand why would you dislike or contradict our points. So if you respect Kyoto residents you should also support not allowing tourists to visit there.
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Me too! Waste of time and money
I agree, I visited other places in Japan where people are much more friendlier to tourists and offer better activities than looking at old temples and streets. The Northern part of Japan and Okinawa are way much better to visit. Twice is enough for me in Kyoto, the second time I went there was just because I had to guide my visiting friends and we witnessed how cold Geishas are. They didn't even grab or stop her they just took a photo while she was passing but that geisha looked at them very angrily and my friends felt bad. To make tourists feel guilty or bad for just taking a picture is just so terrible. After that I said to myself no more Kyoto , these place is not for tourists.
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o much moaning and complaining. stop whining over a city's right to not be disturbed by your dirty and unwelcome presence.
Exactly! So Japan should give Kyoto a favor by stop promoting tourism in this city. Let it be available to well mannered Japanese Citizen and Japanese apologists only. Of course it can be open for everyone, but if the promotion is less, then tourists will not go there and can find better city or place to visit where they can be welcome and appreciated more.
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Actually it does. That is the point of government. Elected officials to represent the people.
You think so? Please give me a data of how many percent of Japanese citizen voted this pass election?
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They also like the tourist money.
That's why it is binary, the only reason why the locals are still allowing tourists to come is just because of the the profit and they've been there eversince, but do they want these tourists there? Not at all. So I agree , you cannot have both as if you promote tourism in that place it will be congested and people will flock, even if these people don't grab Geishas or walk to designated paths, if the streets become crowded some will end up passing or blocking "Private" driveways because the streets are congested. So if residents don't want that? Move to a non tourist area OR stop promoting tourism in that city. It wasn't like that before , it was more tolerable but since the government boosts up the tourism in Kyoto these problems started. So if the residents are not open to that then stop promoting Kyoto.
So the government is trying to find a balance between tourism, and respecting the locals.
Deciding a designated spot to take photos or allowing but with limitation is balancing, total prohibition to take pictures is not a compromise.
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It’s not a binary issue.
Unfortunately it is. The leniency of Japan to tourism is actually part of this current government's plan to raise profits. Few years back coming to Japan is not so easy compare to today and the locals like it that way.
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Thank you for making me so welcome in Japan... Seriously, I'm glad not all Japanese are so anti-tourist.
I've only been to Kyoto once and it was nice... and no, I didn't grab a Geisha/Maiko, I never wandered into private roads and went snap-happy... I respect Japanese culture, I know a fair number of people in Japan... Hell, my partner is from Japan...
Don't be so isolationist... that's a HUGE leap backwards. Or is it that you just don't like foreigners?
Uhm it's not us who decide for this prohibition but it's the city and people of Kyoto. It's not just the grabbing of Geisha that they prohibit but even just normal picture taking and if tourists are not allowed to take pictures for remembrance? Then what is the point of going there? Perhaps the solution is to make compromises but NO they are prohibiting these at all. So I think the best solution is to stop promoting Kyoto's tourism, of course people can come because you cannot really stop that, but they should stop promoting it like the way the government promote it now. With that foreign tourist will stop flocking and coming, take out Geisha and Maikos out of these ads and brochures, so atleast the very determined tourists know what to expect if they still push to go there.
Unfortunately Japanese don't think like you do and you cannot change them at all. Remember the Sarin Gas terrorist attack during the 90s in Tokyo? Their solution is to get rid of all trash bins, Japan is really not the best problem solvers. Their solution is always too extreme. So they are doing the same thing in Kyoto. They don't care if majority of tourists still behave and follow the ettiquete , the 1% messed up so let everyone suffer from it and save the pureness of this great city and get the tourists out. Their city, their rights! Unfortunately no matter how you admire the beauty of this city, it is not for you and the locals don't really want you there. If they do at least there will be some protests and pushbacks from many of them but there was NONE, it seems like this was a landslide decision.
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Here we go again - the world famous spirit of omotenashi.
Nothing is too much trouble for our honoured guests, just so long as you do exactly as you're told and don't expect us to accommodate your enjoying your holiday.
Japan has to make its mind up: You can either base your every hope for economic recovery on increased tourism, or you can be hostile and unwelcoming to tourists. You can't have it both ways.
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The government needs to manage tourism better, it didn't have to end up in the mess we're in now. Yes, the government has set a huge numerical target, but then they've done nothing else to work out what to do with the people that come. I'm not surprised a lot of people have come to despise tourists with the way that some intentionally and unintentionally behave. It's bad now and it's only going to get worse, the Olympics will pale in comparison to 40mln people...
Even Beat Takeshi has weighed in on this remember https://kotaku.com/tourists-are-causing-headaches-for-japan-1835043188
I've never heard or seen a Japanese person say "We need tourists!" This is all a government strategy that somehow happened to work for once (maybe too well)
I agree! The government is the one who wants to boost up the tourism and not the Japanese people. I once saw an ENGLISH LESSON TV show where they are discussing how troublesome tourists are in Japan. It is an English lesson program right? They should be promoting tourism as this is where they can enhance their english skilss, but instead it's the inconvenience of having foreign tourists is what they concern more! I wish I can paste in this thread that photo I took using my mobile phone of that show.
Kyoto is indeed a beautiful place but it is not for tourism and locals don't embrace tourists. So they have to choose, save the pureness of this sacred city or make it a popular tourist spot? If they choose the first one then stop promoting it as the way they do now. Promote Tokyo Disneyland and other places in Japan.
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The point is that the prohibited area is Gion district. It’s not about the whole city of Kyoto, nor this whole country.
Yes we are aware of it and we are talking about Gion District because it is what the tourists visit and not some small suburbs in Kyoto. The solution is just simple, stop promoting the tourism in Kyoto so tourists won't flock there. It's lame to sell the place for tourism and then prohibit the tourists to take pictures, so if the locals don't want tourists? Then stop promoting Kyoto!
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