No it's not. Spending your hard earned $ doesn't mean you get a free pass to act ignorant & rude i.e climb uluru, take a selfie/touch Buckingham palace guards etc.
Well I am talking about simple picture taking of a passing Geisha (without grabbing or stopping them) which is also forbidden. It's common sense that grabbing anyone is not a good idea. But taking a photo of a place and people for remembrance? Jeez!
That's why if these things are prohibited then stop putting them on tourism brochures! And if they don't want tourists to flock to Kyoto, then stop promoting it. I totally agree with what the local residents want. If they don't want their properties and face on tourists photos then stop the tourists from coming.
Nothing wrong with 'look but don't touch' sometimes.
Who says to touch? We are talking about simple photographs!? And yes indeed nothing is wrong with it that's why I suggest to just stop promoting Kyoto's tourism, have tourists go somewhere where they can take photos and keep memories of their once in a lifetime tour and keep Kyoto to the people of Kyoto. Save the tourists to spend their money somewhere else where they are more appreciate and embraced. And obviously that is not Kyoto.
If they paid for it especially when it's overpriced, yes they should at least get some of what they paid for.
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As for Geishas and Maikos, they don't mind being in photos
Uhm how about this?
They are also passing out leaflets reminding them not to take unsolicited photos of geisha and maiko.
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We have been to Kyoto more than 50 times and never experienced any problem from the Kyoto people or the service in the restaurants. Crowds and getting on buses, bust tourists places in the spring/autumn. We have never regretted visiting and always enjoyed our visits.
Again that's what we all thought, until these prohibitions now. :) It reveals the reality of what the locals really think. I am bringing back the Venice argument. I thought Venice embraces tourism, we were served nicely at restuarants, we never got scammed , we enjoyed until a local chatted with us and told us what they truly think.
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Japan should just stop misleading tourists about GEISHAS , you see Geisha and Maiko photos on their tourism ads and videos making foreigners believe that it is okay to take photos of them only to find out later that these women hate it and it's forbidden. And for me why do these Geishas walk outside, why not just stay inside their shops and dress up there. OF COURSE they will get noticed and attention from foreign tourists when they see them. Grabbing them of course should not be allowed, but taking photos? Come on! This is why I think Japan should just stop promoting the tourism in Kyoto.
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Well if you saw the signs Kyoto put up, it is also written in Japanese. There you go, this new rule is not only limited to tourists.
ridiculous! Of course everyone is obliged to follow that law, but this law now exists to prohibit tourists. And why would a local resident who lives there his/her entire life would need to take a picture of their neighborhood?
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When did I say 'Japanese are never rude'? You're twisting my words. Are you brave enough to say that all Italians hate tourists? Or are people in Japan judged differently?
I am talking about the travel bloggers you mentioned who say that Japanese people are nice, and my point is, yes they will act and be nice to you because Japanese people are not RUDE and they will not show that they hate you compare to other countries. But that doesn't mean that they embrace and welcome tourists!
I didn't say ALL ITALIANS, I am particular to VENEZIAN LOCALS. And same with Kyoto, of course not all Japanese hate tourists but Kyoto local residents don't embrace them.
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Oh quit freaking out. Unbridled tourism just ends up in a situation like Thailand, where the people in the industry hate the tourists, but are dependent upon them, ending up in a volatile situation.
Can you please prove that the locals hate tourists? At least they never ban taking simple pictures of the things they promote on their travel books.
Responsible tourism finds a balance between respecting the home and rights of the locals, with both the pride of being a place people want to visit, as well as the money the tourism brings.
Perhaps you should tell the Japanese tourism ministry to be more responsible on what they promote than asking tourists to be responsible. Taking a simple pictures is a normal tourist activity. You put these places and things (Geishas) on your travel books, brochures etc. and then you prohibit people to take pictures after spending so much money, isn't that a scam? Tourists went there to take remembrance, so prohibiting them with these activities that they paid for is not good.
People are acting like Kyoto put out a press release stating tourists are scum.
Obviously, they will not do exactly like that . But these prohibitions on simple tourists activities is a way of saying the same in a professional way.
Take a deep breath.
Yes take a deep breath when people spent thousands of dollars , fly all the way for several hours just to get to Kyoto just to find out that they are not allowed to take photos. What's the point?
So I think the best and beneficial to everyone is to just stop promoting the tourism in Kyoto.In that way you are giving the locals their right to preserve their culture, "Privacy" to Geishas and at the same time you are saving the tourists from not spending so much money and spend it somewhere else better where they can enjoy more.
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I've read lots of blogs of travellers prasing Kyoto as a beautiful city and full of nice people.
Obviously this prohibition changes things going forward. Yup they are nice people, as Japanese are never rude! But are tourists welcome? Not really. I've been to Venice before, and like Kyoto its a very beautiful place and the locals are so kind and helpful to us, but they told us how they hate tourism in their town. Yes they can be kind and nice to you , but wanting you to stay there is a different story.
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I've read lots of blogs of travellers prasing Kyoto as a beautiful city and full of nice people. Are you going to say they were brainwashed or what? Your claim can be applied to Italy and Spain, whose governments want tourists, but the ordinary citizens do not.
And now who banned taking simple pictures for remembrance? If Kyoto locals understand and embrace tourism this simple act should be given to the tourists after spending so much money on their overpriced commodities. Again you keep on pushing about what the tourists and travel bloggers say, the whole point of the article is what the people and government of Kyoto want and not what the travelers say, as these travelers are the problems of Kyoto locals. It is indeed a beautiful city but it is not for tourists.
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Tourists are attracted to Kyoto because of the history and culture and the city was spared by the American bombing while every other city was bombed and destroyed. Parts of the city remain as it was before.
Indeed it's beautiful, but sadly the locals don't want tourists. It's like Venezia in Italy. When we traveled there, I was so in love with the city's beauty. But while we are claiming for our tax refund one local resident told us how they don't want tourists in their town. She is a nice person and helped us with the access to the tax refund office which is inside the same old building she is living, but she honestly told us how she hates tourism there. I have to apologize to her for visiting the place and I cannot blame her as everyday it's hard for them to go to local stores and move around as their narrow alleyways are congested by tourists. It's a beautiful city but unfortunately the locals don't really want us there, and they have their own reasons. So I feel the same for Kyoto, It's beautiful but tourists are not really welcome.
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Uhm, have you not been keeping up to date with the Japanese government's targets. If they didn't want tourists, the country would not be setting a target of 40 million tourists by 2020, which was changed from 20 million in a few years ago.
The Japanese government don't represent the people. Government and politicians' decisions are mostly not what the people really want. Come on, it's not me who wants to ban a simple photo remembrance in a supposedly popular tourist attraction, it's the people of Kyoto. So if you support and respect the natives in Kyoto, then you should agree with what they want.
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Where are you from, if I may ask? So just because you've never been robbed in Thailand, but I have, you think its a better place? But I'm 'careless' if I get robbed but if you were to get robbed in Japan, you'd blame the locals. You're a hypocrite.
I live in Japan. I am not saying that Thailand is a better place, but they welcome tourism more than Kyoto. Yes of course Japan is way more better and safer than Thailand, but the whole point is they don't want tourists, so why would we force ourselves to push and overcrowd Kyoto while the locals don't want it? So I am suggesting an alternative, go to a place where they embrace tourism more (Thailand). And if you like and respect Japanese people then you should agree with what they want. Kyoto is not for tourists , Kyoto natives don't want tourists so we foreigners should respect and understand that.
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Hmmm. That sort of outlook doesn't usually have a positive outcome. See history for examples. I believe we can educate ourselves and not just get along but live and love with our brothers and sisters in other countries and cultures.
Well said! I totally agree, but unfortunately the locals don't share the same thinking, and sad to say their opinion and demands should matter more than what we think. They don't want tourism in their land so what can we do about it?
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while Japanese tourists can do whatever they want in other countries, Japanese people want you to Look, but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, but don't swallow in their own country. They will smile and be polite, but they don't want you.
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Or just stop visiting Kyoto. It's boring there anyway, what is so entertaining about old temples that all look the same? Why would you need to see a clean and old Japanese neighborhood while locals don't want you to be there anyway. And why would you pay overpriced hotels, restaurants and ryokan when you are not welcome at all. Go to better and tourism friendly places like Thailand and Bali, at least you can enjoy nice and beautiful trpoical islands, eat good food, relax, party and most of all the locals will welcome you with open arms. Kyoto is overrated but boring.
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Ban tourism in Japan and in return ban Japanese tourists who travel in other countries as well. Maybe it's better that we all just stay in our own countries and enjoy our own private properties. In that way we can all achieve peace and culture preservation!
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Just ban tourism , problem solved. Culture preservation is more important than tourists who do nothing but destroy things, they are also the culprits who take pictures of Geishas, they don't understand that these Geishas are not for tourism. Tourists are Jama! Keep it the way it was before, when Japan let all the tourists out. Japan is a very wealthy country they don't need tourism to survive.
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I have a better idea. How about plan the Olympic events in safe conditions for athletes early in the planning process or don’t host the Olympics at all.
These alternatives should be thought about during the presentation when they were bidding not months before the event opens! I love sports but I think Olympics is too extravagant and wasteful! The funny part is , the people who support and promoting GREEN and ENVIRONMENT SAVING agendas are the same people who support the Olympic which is a very unresourceful event. HYPOCRISY!
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Isn't it funny that there is a Ninja club with children members, maybe hundreds of years from now some universities in the future will make a club named after Loss Pepes, the assassins who put Pablo Escobar's gang down. Because I think these are the equivalent of the Ninjas in the modern era. Ninjas ambush, assassinate and spy exactly like LOS PEPES. Ninjas have cool outfit and weapons though, unlike los pepes (jeans, boots, cadillac) . The Los Pepes club.
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creepy! But this is the funny thing about Japan, they arrest these people but at the same time does nothing about fueling these creepy fetishes, just look around the trains, sometimes you will see hanging tabloids sexualizing children and high school girls. And the Adult Industry isn't regulated much, and these are the kick starters of these creepy thoughts.
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None of us was there to witness the scene. The article does not give a detailed description. You assume the child was just crying; I a rather imagine she cried violently and gave the impression she did not want to be with the man in question. So what would you do in that situation?
First I will find out what is the kid crying about, is she asking for HELP!? or not. You can tell easily when a kid is asking for help or just having tantrums. And then ask the adult if he/she is related to the kid, then ask the kid if she knows the adult she is with. Do you really think a kidnapper will take it's victim inside a crowded train especially when the victim starts crying? Common sense people!
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girl in tokyo
The point being this: if you see a man with a crying child, it is best to err on the side of caution - which means keeping an eye out to see if you can discern if the situation is a kidnapping, or merely a father caring for his fussy child.
The same, by the way, would apply to a woman. If the situation seems off, act.
But why not confront the adult and ask the kid first before calling the cops?
And how are you sure that all abducted children go hysteric? If we would follow your point then we should ask all children with adults as all of them are potentially taken against their will and just being silent or quiet due to fear.
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If this was in America or other violent country, would people be less sympathetic?
Because most of people in other countries will analize and judge the situation carefully first before calling the cops.
if someone abducted your kids would you appreciate someone calling the police when they saw the warning signs? If they didn’t then there would be a flurry of posts asking ‘why nobody did anything’... you cannot win either way.
Because 99% of the time crying kids are not kidnap victims, again like what I said over and over again, COMMON SENSE need to be used here. If you just want to "MAKE SURE" then you should call cops everytime you see children with adults as all these kids can be potentially abducted or being taken against their will, as you don't have assurance that ALL abducted kids always go hysterical because some are quiet and in that case everyone is a suspect.
For those who say that onlookers should have just talked to the dad, try doing that... this is Japan and most people avoid confrontation.
That is the problem, Japan needs to fix that kind of thinking, If people really care and worried, do they really have time to be shy and avoid confrontation? Getting sorrounded and asked by cops is not convenient at all. So to avoid these inconvenience to other people ans wasting policemen's time, people should use common sense!
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As a father of three in Japan who is quite involved in raising the kids and going out with one or all three of them a lot (to give wife some breathing time), I think it has a lot to do with the actual circumstances, which cannot be properly conveyed by a short article based on the guy's blog alone. The girl may have cried hysterically for a long time, and maybe say some things that made the person who called the cops suspicious; or the person who called may have been a bitter old lady who jumped on the chance to call the police. Another thing that may escalated the situation is that appearance is very important in Japan: the guy is a musician/manga artist, he may have been loosely dressed, maybe a tattoo or piercings, and some country side old lady may have freaked out.
I don't think the issue is with the article, the problem is poor judgement and lack of common sense . If having doubts, why not ask the adult with the kid directly FIRST or ask the kid if he/she knows who is she with before ringing the cops? The point is prejudism is not really the solution to solve these problems. So we suspect the "Manga Artist with tattoos" and ignore the guy in suits as the soceity think that they will never ever commit kidnapping when the fact is THEY CAN! Calling the cops right away without judgement is just plain stupid. These cops could have been doing something else more important than this. I don't really understand if you guys really have kids or not as its normal that kids go hysterical sometimes. And how about the kids who stay silent when taken!? Some kids keep quiet while being kidnapped, it's a fact that there are different behaviours and reaction when kids are beaing taken. They don't necesarrily go hysteric as what you see in movies etc. So in this case, should we call cops everytime we see adults with children!? That's ridiculous desho!?
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better safe than sorry
I think common sense should be used first before calling the cops everytime we see adults with crying kids. Because the fact is a kid who is been kidnapped can also act calm and quiet .
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so if a crying child is with a woman , she cannot be suspected as a kidnapper? And only applies to men!?
I think the people who called the cops did the right thing. If you see a little girl hysterically screaming for a long time and she is accompanied by a single person (male or female) then this should raise some alarms... Better safe than sorry. As a father of 2 girls, I am very happy to hear about this happening.
So are you suggesting to call cops everytime we see an adult with a crying kid? How about trying to talk to the child and the adult first? I think people should use common sense and fair judgement first rather than paranoia before we waste police's precious time.
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But America does have a memorial to confederate soldiers at Arlington.
The confederate/civil war issue is within USA domestically. Japan and NAZI's atrocities destroyed other countries, so I don't think they are the same circumstance.
If we can have any memorial we want, why did Japan took down the comfort women statue in Nagoya?
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If PM Abe wants to maintain peace with their neighbors then he should play safe and just skip this. What if Prime Minister Merkel of Germany offers the same to the NAZI soldiers? Can we also say that they have the right to honor those soldiers as they also fought for their country? Past is past indeed and these soldiers are indeed not the current Japan but they fought and served the old Empire which committed so many atrocities exactly like Nazis! We condemn Nazis but not the old Empire of Japan? Why?
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This is just so immature and childish. The difference is, Japanese old politicians and rightwingers are the ones who are fueling this feud, the public don't really care and still embraces Korean goods, food and people. I open my fridge this morning and my partner (who is a Japanese) new stock of Kimchi again for this week. I don't see banners on streets encouraging people to hate Koreans. Unlike in SK, Everyone is fuelling the hate , even ordinary people and children! Not all but I noticed that many South Koreans love to hate. Even in my country they are snob and hateful.
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