ObviousDemon comments

How is study of American Law in any way a benefit in The Empire of Japan?

It's like studying Spanish for 5 years, then doing a Post Grad in Egyptian??????

Still a large victory for the populace, against Oyagi-Inc.!!!!!

Can any poster here explain how this vote worked.....mandatory/volunteer/% of population who voted etc??

Aus Media are also reporting Tear Gas being fired, but it's not clear who is Tear Gassing who......

Once TEPCO starts to generate net profits, the company is expected to be urged to pay back the financial assistance

PrePrepared loophole from the very first media release.

Taxpayers Yen to pay for Compensation to victims. Taxpayers Yen to refit the Plants BACK TO PRODUCTION. Taxpayers PAY increased electricity costs.

Nobody jailed for Criminal Negligence.

And as soon as Money Loss is done, the clowns that started this mess slink back in on the gravy train.

Business as usual for Japan Inc

So, so sad...

Re: The Research Argument

How much other Research is done, by kiiling thousands of the subjects, to gather data?

Can you site examples?

Google "Ethics" at almost ANY University in the world, and you will see a paragraph about non-harmful, non-cruelty, and especially non-lethal Research Methods, being the Legally-required minimum.

THIS is the main reason that the educated world is offended by Japan's "Research" Loophole.

Arrest Paul......

Bob Brown, of the Greens party in the Australian Parliament, holds the "Balance of Power" in the Australian Government.

This means, the ruling Government is only in charge, because BOB Brown's team have given their support.

If Bob Brown sees something that he feels is reprehensible, he removes that support, and Australia's Government is KICKED OUT.

So perhaps you should pay a little respect & attention to what he has to say?

Arrest Paul.....

I have posted several links in the last week to Australian PM Gillard stating that the 3 boarded the SM 2 "IN Australian Territorial Waters". She gets her advice from the Australian Coast Guard & Naval Sattelite monitoring stations, among other sources.

Your continuing to state as fact, that they were in International Waters suggests that YOU know better then the Australian PM.

She doesn't need to show her proof, as she is THE PM of a sovereign country........for you to try to publicly dispute this fact, you NEED to show us all your proof.......and referring to an internet blog is not proof.

touche!

"anglootakuJan. 17, 2012 - 05:57PM JST

If this situation was reversed say a Japanese coming onto an Aussie ship, then that would fall under Australian law as they have been imprisoned in Australia."

let's see

an Aussie ship sails past Okinawa, stalks outside the Cove at Taiji. When the locals protest, the Aussie boat takes off with them onboard, away from Japan as fast as possible, and threatens to return them to Australia to face charges.....

Yep.....Japanese people would have no problem with that...

Granted, both PM & AG called the activity "illegal & irresponsible", however, she has opted not to press any charges...

Tatemae diplomacy

Heda.....apologies.

SMH misquoted the PM.

What you posted ""No one should assume that, because an agreement has been reached with the Japanese government in this instance, that individuals will not be charged and convicted in the future." is the accurate quote, from the press conference that she spoke at, that was shown on every TV station in Australia repeatedly.

she does NOT say they "Will be Charged"....she infers that the Australian Government nay not be bothered requesting release froom the Japanese Government next time.

Now we have the accurate quotes, the discussion can be credible.

Apologies, Heda.....it was SMH that Misquoted what the PM actually said.....I know this, because I saw the words come directly out of the PM's mouth on at least 5 seperate news programs in Australia.

PM Gillard's wrds were clear, as were her inferences

"Heda_MadnessJan. 17, 2012 - 05:10PM JST

The Gillard government has slammed the actions of three anti-whaling protesters as "unacceptable" and warned that others who carry out similar protests will be "charged and convicted""

Another Missquote?????

She said MAY BE charged & convicted.....by OTHER countries Governments.

Mz Gillard also said "IN Australian Waters"

Again....if you must represent what the Asuatralian PM has to say...do it accurately, and with direct sources where people can follow it up for themselves.

"Heda_MadnessJan. 17, 2012 - 04:03PM JST

According to the Australian Prime Minister, the Attorney General and the Australian media

AND

Heda_MadnessJan. 17, 2012 - 04:39PM JST

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/protesterswanttaxpayer_funds/ There are a number of other articles which also suggest that the media have claimed that they have broken the law.

According to the PM & AG........sorry......you need a direct quote, with the Actual words spoken, if you are going to tell the world what the official Position of the Australian Government is.....

Heda Madness......where is the quote from the PM? what crime did she claim? what are the charges laid?

Do you have any quotes from an actual News Source?

Let me ask this.........How Many times have Australian Coast Guard vessels (In groups of 6 or more) conducted Search & Rescue operations in the Southern Oceans for International Adventurers and thrillseekers?

When did any of THESE folks repay the Australian Taxpayer for the Millions of dollars spent rescuing them?

How are these thrillseekers any better than the Forest trio?

Another Question......if Japanese Whalers go overboard, which Taxpayers will be required to pay to fish them out????

"Heda_MadnessJan. 17, 2012 - 04:03PM JST

According to the Australian Prime Minister, the Attorney General and the Australian media they commited a crime in International waters and are therefore subject to Japanese laws.

According to Cleo they were in Australian waters."

There have been plenty of quotes by PM Gillard stating "IN Australian Waters".......quotes with Links to full transcripts.

Neither the PM, AG, or Aus Media mentione that they had committed ANY crime......hence that they have NOT BEEN CHARGED with anything.....suggesting that you are knowledgably quoting something is irresponsible at a minimum.

These people DID say that they MAY be under the spotlight of Japanese Courts......They said it was Inappropriate, but at NO POINT did they give ANY impression that they thought Japanese laws were right or just in this case.

They said that they would advise their Japanese counterparts clearly, then 2 hours later, The Japanese decided to release them.

" vinnyfavJan. 17, 2012 - 11:30AM JST

Political Activism treads a fine line between being useless and being idiotic. Too mild a protest and nothing gets through to the masses who need to be galvanised to democratic action, and violent behavior does nothing but waste lives and detract from the actual goal of saving the environment.

Even putting aside the Sea Shepherds' history of criminal violence and donation scams, this incident was pretty much an idiotic flop and a waste of time and money. If they intended to discredit the Japanese government or whalers by forcing a diplomatic catch-22, they failed miserably: the incident was resolved at the expense of the Australian government.

All this has done is lower their (already poor) credibility in international media, and distract from the real goal of saving the whales from pointless harvesting and inhumane deaths. The PM was well within his rights to be angry, I feel. A democracy needs activists to counter-balance abuses of power and preserve the environment, not waste money and disillusion the masses who have the power to effect real change."

I appreciate your knowledgable viewpoint on this discussion, but your credibility as an expert on World Affairs is undermined when you don't know that the Australian PM wears a skirt, and it' never in the Tabloids....

Andrew MatthewsJan. 15, 2012 - 01:39PM JST

You are more likely to find English-listeners amongst the Japanese than Japanese-Listeners amongst the English. In England it is still the norm not to learn another language, but to speak louder in English if the listener seems unable to understand you. :-)

No question there, I'm just saying that, if you put on a Spanish language play in e.g. Canada, you may not get much of an audience????

Tamarama....

Good Points, fair, balanced view.

But They ARE Amateurs.....they are NOT professionals......hence 'volunteers'

"Noda said it could be further harmed if the country is seen as dragging its feet on reforms."

Mwooaaaa Haaaaaaa Haaaa

Ummmmm.....Wouldn't difficulty finding English-speaking Cast, also infer difficulty finding English-listening Audience?

Other than that, Good for You supplying non-tarento entertainment for those that want it!!!!

I suggest that you are arguing that Black is White........and you say it's "White"....

THIS article's Photo Label says it's a Harpoon Ship.......Surely Posters arguing the Opposite would be "Off-Topic"???

Arrest Paul "Yes you do. ATTEMPTING to instil fear by repeated acts of violence does NOT mean that their intended victims are actually afraid. It only means that the eco-terrorists are also incompetent at creating fear."

I don't speak for you, please don't tell ME what I think.

I don't want to see private citizens out in the Antarctic Waters, putting themselves in Potential Harm, or putting themselves in positions where Japanese Government representatives are made to look more draconian than they actually are.

Australia's Government invested a lot of time, effort & money through the IWC, only to have the vote skewed by obscure countries that have NO connection with whaling mysteriously voting with Japan, coincidentally after recieving large amounts of "International Aid" from Japan.

Even after Whaling was LEGITIMATELY BANNED through the IWC, Japan wiggled around enough to create & manipulate a Research loophole to then continue Industrial-Style whaling on the opposite end of the Earth.

One thing we know in civilized society is that when rule of law is corrupted/circumvented by those with money, the common man will eventually rise up, and vigilantism ensues......The Arab Summer should make this clear...

The Western World's governments & Greenpeace etc tried to stop Japan whaling through various Legitimate methods for 20 years before SSCS came along.......Not a SINLGE whale was saved.

At least 500 whales were saved from harpooning JUST LAST YEAR by SSCS's actions.....this speaks volumes.

Ossan America "How many years will Australian taxpayers be willing to pay for the silly antics of the anti-whaling "activists"?"

First - what exactly do Australian Taxpayers pay for in regards to anti-whaling activists? (apart from THIS one taxi trip>?)

Second - with Japan just signing up to a 3.8 TRILLION Yen project near Darwin this week, no doubt attracting MINIMUM 10% tax income to the Australain Government, I think they can afford it.

Third - there are clearly enough Aussie Taxpayers here.....you don't need to speak for us, or explain to the world what OUR opinions are...

Fourth - How much Money has Australia spent on taking Japan the ICJ, only for Japan to not respond to the ICJ's requests yet.......

Ossan America....the Google Search you posted also describes Coca Cola, Sake & yoghurt.......

I'm not saying that you are neccessarily wrong, - just that it's not a strong argument.

Please Note, the Australian PM has CRITICIZED the protestors...........but di she CHARGE them with anything???

I can't believe it takes an Aussie to point out to you that the PMs criticism is 'Political Diplomacy' aka Tatemae....

Local Coverage here;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-13/130112-inpex-announcement/3770578?section=business

The 3 Aussies from the Harpoon Ship are on their way back to Australia.

Has anyone heard of the Australian Government charging them with anything????????

For those trying to use the argument that "SM2 is NOT a whaling ship",

Please scroll to the photo at the top of this article which is labelled as

"The Japanese harpoon ship Shonan Maru No.2"

I believe this illuminates that you are trying to argue that black is white, on an article that begins with a photo of black.

nice Logic Path......

Who is this "DA" you speak of?

Maybe you mean "AG" = Attorney General = Christina Roxon.

She was given this job approx 3 weeks ago, by her BOSS, the PM (Prime Minister) Julia Gillard.

While Both ladies are diplomatically making Public Statements denouncing vigilante action, they have also said blatantly & clearly that JAPANESE WHALERS ARE IN CONTRAVENTION OF BOTH AUSTRALIAN LAW, AND FORMAL REQUESTS TO THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT.

Please do not take selective peices of Australian Government statements, and post them here out of context to try to strengthen your otherwise weak arguments.

I posted the exact quotes from the Australian Government that contradict you, as well as their direct sources, here & on other threads days ago, and yet, here you are trying to win your argument by misquoting etc.