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Again, let's not forget that Vance himself had admitted to "creating these stories". Yet, they won't back down or tone down the harmful rhetoric. It's sometimes even hilarious. Like when they comment that "Biden is losing it" when he was caught on camera wearing a MAGA hat when having a nice friendly exchange with some Trump supporters. Wow! Trump supporters are so appalled that Biden is wearing their own hat. They can't even say anything positive about a positive situation.

She says these thing precisely because they have an impact.

So you're basically agreeing that Trump's rhetoric also has an impact on the chaos going on in Ohio. You're also basically agreeing that Trump's speech was the cause of the Jan 6 insurrection. You also agree then that his rhetoric against Nancy Pelosi was the reason for the attack on her home and husband.

did anyone attempt to murder Biden, twice, btw?

And Trump has only himself to blame for the attempts on his life because of his lies and rhetoric. Do you actually believe that these two pro-Trump people attended any of Harris' rallies and actually like Harris or Biden? More likely than not, they got tired of listening to Trump's lies.

Also, basically what you're implying is that Trump's life is worth more than the lives of residents in Ohio, since it's Trump's rhetoric that is endangering their lives. It's Trump which has caused the bomb threats, school closures, etc.

There is no relation between Harris's rhetoric and the assassins.

Good point. If anything, it's probably Trump's rhetoric that got those two people triggered. These two people have been confirmed to be former Trump supporters. I'm pretty sure they have attended some of his rallies or listened to him speak on TV, the Internet, etc. They most likely got sick and tired of his continuous lies and harmful rhetoric. Harris saying that Trump is a threat to democracy was merely pointing out a fact; that he was proven to be the cause of the January 6th insurrection. He never even lifted a finger to stop it once it was set in motion, even though even some of his own family members like Ivanka tried to tell him to stop. By the way, is it any wonder we never hear from her supporting her father.

Yeah, like when Trump was asked about childcare from the Economic Club of New York and he proceeded with the mother of all word salads.

Not a single question was answered directly, no searching follow up

That's the problem with Trump. He never answers the question directly. Then people question him about it, and he just claims he's doing this 'weave' technique by saying a whole bunch of things and somehow it all comes together. He claims he knows all these great professors who say to him what a wonderful technique. What sane person does that? You don't do that in a presentation, speech, debate, or lecture. He should just keep it simple and direct. It's no wonder people look so bored at his rallies. Looking at the videos of his rallies, I've even noticed people falling asleep or look to be in some kind of daze.

Hypocrites.

Totally. The hypocrisy in the GOP (at least the current makeup of it) runs deep. When people bring up the harmful rhetoric from Trump, they just go with the "What about ...?" tactic. It's so predictable. Like pro-Trump posters here, when a fact about Trump is brought up, their only defense is "But what about ...?" to try to make you forget or try to gloss over any criticisms brought forth to them. They probably hope that people will forget Jan. 6., or Trump saying that he could shoot a gun in the middle of a street and people will still vote for him, or that Mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers, or that Kamala Harris is a Marxist and fascist, or that he could have has grabbed women's body parts, or him urging people at his rallies to "knock the crap" out of tomato throwers. And the list of deadly and harmful rhetoric from Trump goes on and on.

The bill is there not to fully pay for IVF, but pay for a percentage of it. I and my wife am glad that we're living in Japan since I don't think we could afford the burden of paying the full costs of IVF treatments. We only had to pay about 30% which was a big help. The thing is that it often takes a few times or more to get a successful pregnancy; a one-time treatment doesn't cut it.

Conservatives just don't understand that there are so many people who would like to have a child and would do anything to have one. IVF is a one good way to do it, but it is very costly. There is nothing wrong on easing the burden to deserving couples. And believe me, the pain, time, and energy you have to devote through going through IVF treatments really weeds out those who are not serious about having a child. Me and my wife will always be grateful for the miracle we received through IVF as a result of all that work.

Wrong.

No. Correct. JD Vance himself has admitted that he and Trump are creating these dangerous stories that are untrue, to get people talking about immigration. If they really wanted to talk about immigration, then they would stick to the facts and actually support immigration bills that are presented in Congress. On the subject of immigration, let's not forget that Trump promised to finish building a wall between Mexico and the U.S. and get Mexico to pay for it. Both claims he has not fulfilled. He also uses dangerous language like calling immigrants "rapists" and "murderers". He even has openly called for security personnel and his supporters to hit and commit violent acts against protesters against him, and he promised to pay for their legal bills. What presidential candidate does that?

It's just sad that the city of Springfield is being used as just a way to promote the Trump campaign. It's just being used as a way to divert people's attention away from Trump's problems, terrible debate performance, and Trumps lack of policies. He doesn't care one bit about the problem in Springfield. As long as it can get him elected and give him the power to stay out of jail, he'll continue to spout these lies.

Also, I should note that Elon Musk's and Trump followers' gross claim that Harris and Biden have not had any assassination attempts on their lives is probably false. Do they really think that the Secret Service, FBI, and other government agencies that investigate all probable assassination plots against leaders in the U.S. government would publicly advertise every incidence? In fact, there have been several incidents like a bomb left outside of Obama's home, and a number of people caught outside of the White House. Not to mention the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. We soon forget those things. The bottom line is that any kind of violence against any government official should be taken seriously. Unfortunately, it's sad that Trump would use this kind of serious incident just for his political gain and selfish reasons.

I had to check this to see if it was really true,

Here's a link to a video of the interview Vance had, just in case you couldn't find his quotes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJ_Icosa3s

Wait a minute. In a CNN interview, when presented with evidence that the Clark County Sheriff and Department of Natural Resources had reviewed 11 months of 911 calls and only 2 incidents where callers were alleging Haitians taking geese out of parks and no evidence to substantiate those claims, JD Vance himself admitted that, and I quote, "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm gonna do".

Yet, Trump and Vance continue to say they are not to blame for the fall out in Ohio. They refuse to take responsibility for the hatred and dangerous rhetoric spread which has caused bomb threats, school closures, cancellation of events, etc.

He absolutely does post on X.

He posts on Truth Social, where he can get to more Trump fans.

Thank god Trump doesn't post on X anymore, but if he did, we'd be bombarded by stupid posts like "I hate Taylor Swift". Which is funny since he not too long ago, in an interview, was more positive about her. In fact, his actual description of her was: “I think she’s beautiful, very beautiful. I find her very beautiful. I think she’s liberal. She probably doesn’t like Trump. I hear she’s very talented. I think she’s very beautiful, actually— unusually beautiful.”

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1835384555961762105?refsrc=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1835384555961762105%7Ctwgr%5E16545d91784b4335bd65e46cf21e15b883602ad6%7Ctwcon%5Es1&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewrepublic.com%2Fpost%2F185991%2Fmaga-response-trump-i-hate-taylor-swift-post

But as soon as she says to vote Harris, he hates her. So childish. Actually, even less that what many children would do. I know my son is much more mature than that.

Sorry, meant to complete the last line as this:

"If bringing in your guns, asking the Proud boys to be ready, and to practically beg people to march with him is not inciting violence, then I don't know what is."

Elon Musk should not be a role model for people to follow. He doesn't understand how to treat people fairly, how to treat women, and how to even raise his own kids. He just says and tweets weird and creepy things. I guess birds of a feather do actually flock together.

> half of the country doesn’t want to be ruled and told what to do

Yes, most women don't want to be told what to do with their own bodies. Most veterans don't want to be told that they are losers and that their sacrifice of service is less valuable than a normal citizen. Most people don't want to be told to pick which ethnicity they should consider themselves to be.

Also, right after Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala Harris, there was a spike in voter registration. It's clear that people on the left do incite people to take action, but with their voice and vote. That pales in comparison to the actions that Trump supporters take when they are incited. They tend to bring their guns to rallies and protests. Let's not forget that in the last election, it was the right who brought their guns to voting centers to try to intimidate voters. If bringing in your guns, asking the Proud boys to be ready, and to

The bottom line is this: Whether it's Trump calling Harris a Marxist, or Harris calling trump a threat to democracy, whether it incites people to cause violence on the opposition depends on the person interpreting it as such. However, actively asking people to do something, such as actually shooting them, or killing them would be considered inciting violence, and so far, both sides have not done that.

Having said all that, I sincerely doubt these two gun incidents (and I'm not sure this second one should be considered an attempt on Trump's life since no shots were fired), were done because of what Democrats have said. It's more likely due to what Trump had said (or maybe not said). The fact is that these two people were Trump supporters and even voted for him, so it stands to reason that they attended his rallies and/or listened to him speak a lot. Something in his speech triggered them to do what they did.

They called Trump worse

But they've and Trump has called Harris, Biden, war veterans, women, and minorities a whole lot worse. Trump has even been seen on video purposely slurring his words and using fake handicapped gestures to mock disabled people. He's even mocked the LGBT community.

He never made fun of what she was, but it’s true, she’s one minute this and one minute that depending on which way the wind blows. Just watch her videos. Seems like most Black men don’t see her as Black whereas Black women do. Indians think she’s Asian, so there is nothing wrong with bringing it up.

That's the problem with Trump's view of the world (and probably the view of most Republicans), is that you need to pidgeonhole people into one race. Why can't she be both? Nowadays, people often have more than one ethnic background. Trump doesn't understand this. It's why Trump can't understand that when Harris was talking about her Indian heritage on an "Indian cooking show", she never mentioned her Black background. There was no Black recipes being cooked at that time. It's all about context. Yet, Trump gets upset at that. People on the right tend to think you need to be categorized as one race or the other, but the world is not like that anymore.

The fact that Trump would incite and rile his fan base to march to the Capitol to take back our democracy as he put it, to call on groups like the Proud Boys to take up arms, then to not do anything to stop the riots even though he was the sitting President at the time, speaks volumes to the kind of living thing he is. Then, to blame others for the hole he dug, goes even further. He never takes accountability for his actions. He makes up lies like "I didn't do anything", and "It was the Democrats who didn't call security", even though he was the POTUS at that time.

He always shifts the blame and not once accepts any responsibility for anything. Oh, but he'll take credit for things he didn't even accomplish, and use superlatives like "I'm the greatest President ever, even better than Lincoln", and "I attract the largest crowds and have the best rallies in history". He'll say "I know more about the economy, health, weather, etc. than anyone" and then at the same time say "I don't know about the riot at the Capitol", "I don't know about Project 2025", "I didn't know I hired undocumented immigrants worked for my construction companies", "I don't know where that money came from".

Trump is a threat to democracy, Trump wants to stop the war in Ukraine and end funding, Trump wants to ultimately seal the border, Trump wants to send back as many illegals as possible, Trump wants to clean out the establishment, Trump was to give the police backing and all the power they need to bring crime under control, Trump wants to broaden the powers of ICE, Trump was to cut entitlements, he’s an American First Nationalist, so yea, he’s inciting violence.

No, inciting violence is saying "March to the Capitol with me". None of the comments you posted calls for any action to be done. There is no statement that says to shoot Trump. However, Trump did clearly say to his MAGA followers to march to the Capitol to overturn the election results. He even directly said to the Proud Boys to be ready. Simplly saying "Trump wants to clean out the establishment" is the same as saying "Biden wants to defund the police" and "Kamala wants to overrun your borders with immigrants".

The clear difference between the left and the right (at least the part that is pro-MAGA) is that when Joe Biden performed horribly during the debate, he was called out on it by fellow Democrats, and even high-profiled movie stars like George Clooney, calling for him to step down and be replaced. When Biden made gaffes like introducing Zelensky as Putin, he was lambasted in the media for it, by calling him senile and losing it.

However, when Trump says things like grabbing women's private parts, MAGAs and people supporting him brush it off as locker room talk. When he says hurftul and untrue things like stories about drinking bleach to cure COVID-19, they say he is just joking. When he spouts conspiracy theories like Haitian immigrants eating people's pets, they say he just having fun and not really serious about it, and that we should all have a laugh about it.

I'm sure there are plenty of disillusioned former Trump supporters, but none of them would resort to using a gun to solve the problem. Luckily, the Secret Service did their job and stopped him from firing a shot.

Seems like a case of the kettle calling the pot black. The hypocrisy is so thick. Trump forgets that he is the one who incited and encouraged the Jan. 6th riots urging white supremacist groups like the Proud Boys to march with him on that day (even though he chickened out and didn't meet his followers there). He said things like "Walk down to the Capitol" and "You will never take back our country with weakness".

Let's not forget that he incited violence against Hilary Clinton with his whole "Lock her up!" speech. To add, he incited violence against Nancy Pelosi and there was actual violence committed against her husband due to his words and actions.

He incites violence against minorities by calling Mexican immigrants "rapists and murderers". He incites violence against women all the time not only through his words by his lecherous actions.

And here he has the gall to claim that Democrats are inciting violence against him? I'm sorry Trump, but you're actually doing it to yourself. If you had any iota of compassion, understanding, a moral compass, and righteousness, you wouldn't get people (even from your own Republican party) to feel hatred towards you.

And yet, historically, the violence is coming from the left.

It is the right who are racially profiling Blacks, following anyone who is of dark-skinned and shooting at them from trucks and cars. It is the right who are conducting mass shooting in schools, that the right who then claim it's all fake and made up. It's the right wingers who are targeting people who worship in mosques and taking their guns into public places to exact acts of violence. It is the right who are working hard to divide America rather than unite it. It is the right who wants you to fear what's different; rather than embrace difference.

Let's not forget, that Trump and Vance's proliferation of this conspiracy against Haitian immigrants, will also affect anyone whose skin color is not white, since I'm sure most people can't tell a Haitian from just looking at them. Most level-headed people won't suddenly make snap judgements, but there are Trump cultists who will because they only get their news from Trump's mouth.

You don't this for a fact, and neither do I, not if you can factually prove it is not happening fine, if not, then none of us know for a fact, what is true and what is not. I am not on either side and I am definitely not on the side of the left just because THEY say it didn't happen, saying something and doing something are two entirely different things

So in essence, what you're saying is that one person's truth could be another person's lie. You'd rather believe in a so-called Laura Loomer "truth" about Haitians kidnapping and eating people's cats and dog, rather than Ohio state officials's truth about no confirmed reports of Haitians doing so? Look, I get it, people can believe what they want to believe. However, when it comes to believing in things that can hurt and cause violence, then that's where I draw the line.

I've learned that the best way to get a clear picture of things is to read a wide source of news. Even Fox news (yes, I do read it, but can't stand the crazy ideas of some of their correspondents), says Haitians are not eating people pets. Unfortunately, Trump gets his news only from extreme alt-right sources. He thinks the news coming from such sources must be true because it matches his personal views, even though the vast majority of news outlets disagree with him.

Vance's spreading lies has led to a big increase in PTSD in cats, dogs, and all pets in Springfield.

Not to mention, an increase in stress among Haitians, school children, parents, teachers, and the rest of the Springfield community; maybe even all of Ohio.

At this point, I'm not about to take anything that comes out of JD Vance's mouth to be true. Like his mentor Trump, he's repeated so many lies and really strange things. For instance, when talking about immigrants, he said quote, "If the path to prosperity was flooding your nation with low-wage immigrants, then America would be the most prosperous country in the world". Then, the Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg came on and said quote, "I wonder which country Vance thinks is the most prosperous in the world, since he doesn't think it's America".

The scary thing is, that Vance got this rumor started from a phone call coming into his office reporting this incident. He never even tried to confirm it with any authorities in Ohio. So, anyone could just call him and say "Hey Vance, I saw a (fill in any race here) man/woman stealing and eating (fill in any animal here)." That's so disturbing and dangerous.

Unfounded and untrue conspiracies like Haitian migrants eating people's pets gets more easily distributed through the use of SNS. Nowadays, it's just way too easy for these stupid rumors to spread like wildfire. It doesn't take the media now to spread this false claims. Since Trump only likes to read alt-right news outlets, he only gets extreme outlandish conspiracies as his view on the world. If Trump was just a normal citizen, then it might not be so dangerous.

We should all wait until all details come out, just like the last shooting. Although I don't like Trump, I'm glad that he wasn't seriously hurt. I wouldn't want to wish any ill will towards him.

I just hope he doesn't abuse this to try to sell more products, just like he did when he was shot the last time. It was sick to see him selling overpriced shoes with the picture of him with the bandage on his ear. I don't know anyone who tries to profit from a serious incident like that. Please Trump, don't try to sell any "assassination attempt" products just to get more money for your own pockets.

Vance is just too chicken and proud to admit he and Trump were wrong. Even though they may feel immigration is a problem, using unfounded claims and racist conspiracies to promote it is dangerous and flat out unlawful. Someone ought to sue them for defamation.

Their dangerous rhetoric not only affects the legal Haitian immigrant community, but also other citizens in Springfield and surrounding counties who have to deal with school closures, etc. Companies employing these legal hardworking immigrants might even have to have their work interrupted and thus the economy affected due to some silly conspiracy.

Yet, here is the Presidential and Vice presidential nominees caring only about their pride and selves rather than the affect their actions may have on Americans.