300 people died last 24 hours. Reaching new peak everyday
I had the impression that vaccjne are the solutions?
How does it compare with less covered countries?
Virusrex, any rational explanation? Could it be that serum based on extinct variants are probably not the solution?
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What about long term effects of the vaccine and the side effects that becomes more and more prevalent?
Can we guarantee no one taking this updated version of the jab will suffer any long term effect such as myocarditis?
Loooking at current number of heart related disease, is it still worthed?
Should we invest in making the population healthier?maybe more medical personnel?
Few pointers here to stimulate the debate
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What is the long term strategy?
We can see now Japan is its highest mortality ever. Can you explain rationally?
Rolling an updated version of the vaccjne till the next variant will outdate?
Is it the right strategy?
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Let me quickly put my comment before this thread gets closed.
I had a question to Virusrex. I have not been connected for a couple months.
Just reconnected recently, I see that the number of daily deaths is skyrocketing.
Do you have a logical explanation to that as I recall you were a solid proponent of the mRNA vaccjne
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What a sad situation!
I am scrolling Japan today and see two news next to each other.
One saying that prices will increase for 10 000 items and immediately after defense budget needs a 10 trillions injection.
It shows clearly where is the priority and sorry to say, it is plain wrong.
I thought Japan was better than that!
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Well maybe you can get the blue pill from Pfizer to cure the ED :-)
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Look out Christine cotton for the french speaker, she is a biostatistician. She went through the ptizer clinical trial documents in details and all sort of twists and tricks they used to come up with their efficacy rate
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You now have to bring a study done on Delta 6 months ago on the delta strain to justify what is now obvious.
Forget any studies and look at the numbers... That should speak volumes on the effectiveness of such medical experimental concoction.
In my office, a colleague 4 time vaccinated got it pretty bad, 2 weeks sick a dog.
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One thing for sure, the vaccination program has been a huge success by looking at the number of contamination after 3 shots!
Since it works so well, let's make sure we boost the remaining people so they can also catch omicron
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There is a twist in the categories as people without boosters X months after their second doses are considered unvaccinated...
Also the counts need to include other comorbidities as well...
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Which planet are you located in?
A fair chunk of protester are vaccinated.
It is not about vaccine any more. It is about the rift macron is creating.
Re hospital bed, it has nothing to do with Covid sadly. macron has downsized ICU capacity in the last few years to boost "competitiveness"
Nurses themselves are asking for more capacity... They are very professional and treat anybody regardless of being a vacced not vacced, a heavy smoker developing cancer, an obese with diabete ...
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I am amazed by some of the reactions I read.
Vax / antivax
Let's set that aside for a moment and just look at the numbers.
If these treatments were working, why do we have 300 000 cases yesterday in France?
If you ("vaxers") have been convinced, or coerced or lured to take the treatment, good for you. Now if others are sceptical, it is their absolute right. Macron is pointing at scapegoats to explain his utter failure in managing the hospital.
And for those we said that no vacced people should pay all costs. Yes why not, perhaps they should not pay tax anymore. Since they are now sub citizen.
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Hello all and happy new year.
@virusrex, yes indeed by looking at the number of cases, it looks like the vaccines are doing a great job at stopping the pandemic!
I think it is fair to say after 1 year and 3 doses maybe it is better to give a chance to natural immunity.
Studies made by pharmaceutical companies can not be taken as the only reference unfortunately.
My colleague had been sick with Covid last 10 years and he is 4 times vaccinated, 2 sinopharm and 2 Pfizer 3 months ago.
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Many thanks @virusrex for your answers.
If I can follow up;
Is herd immunity achieveable knowing that the current vaccine are not 100% efficient and not sterilizing.
If yes, what is the Percentage of population required?
If no, what is the impact on repeated boosters? Could it impact the immunity especially if new variant with different spike protein appears?
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This is intellectually wrong,
There are 60% population entirely vaccinated.
That alone should be more than enough to bring down the number significantly.
Unless you are the one asserting without any factual evidence that the almost 800 000 deaths are all non vaccinated and non masked...
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Do you have a valid and rational explanation (in layman's terms) as of why we see more death and obviously an explosion of cases in 2021 compared to 2020 when there was no vaccine available?
If after a booster shot, the efficacy is still waning, what is the long term plan?
Thanks in advance
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@virusrex do you have the evidences the vaccine works against omicron? Against Covid in general?
A double blinded cross study, not stopped after 3 months? And organized by an independent 3rd party? Not by the own drugmaker listed to the stock exchange?
Untill then, this is just a fragment of your imagination
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Why oh why do Austria need to reconfine everybody?
Why not sticking to the initial plan of reconfining the unvaccinated?
Why mass ordering the Covid pill?
Does the vaccine really work for people under 40?
Why not promoting healthier lifestyle so immunity gets better? How would that fit with Pfizer profits?
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Is it a commercial decision to enrich Pfizer or is it really justified by science?
After how many boosters we admit that it is not effective on the long run?
What about long term side effects of such repeated mRNA injection?
Virusrex before you jump in, you can not bring the card of "perfectly safe" as the Test is still running till 2023
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I am supporting this unvaccinated confinement.
Because it needs to become clear that the vaccine does not stop infection.
At least once there will only be vaccinated people mingling around and numbers still rising, this fact will become clear and unvaccinated can not be blamed anymore.
If after your 3rd shot, you still catch Covid and be sick for 2 weeks, ask yourself the right questions.
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Very true Virusrex
So we should not accept heavy smokers at the hospital when they come for respiratory conditions or treat their cancer
Similarly, we should let drinkers pay for the chemotherapy when having liver cancer.
And finally, obese people should be banned to enter fast food venues and food court because they refuse to be reasonable and do a bypass surgery.
Do you see the logic when we apply current Covid unvaccinated treatment to other condition?
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@Wipeout, you are following a wrong logic here.
If we follow you, then heavy drinkers, smokers, people who are overweight should also be ostracized and fend for themselves.
Vaccinated or unvaccinated are equal part of the society, pay same taxes so the treatment should be the same.
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No sorry it is different.
The consent waiver clearly discharge liability on the government and Pfizer. It is different from the usual medical consent.
As of the claims program:
Good move although it seems to be awfully complicated if not possible to make any claims as conditions are too many.
Have a look at the website link you sent
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The country where I am residing right now makes me sign a consent form and a waiver stating that "I accept all the risks linked to the vaccine being approved under emergency and that I shall held liable the country or Pfizer in case of side effects" . Basically it is take it at your own risk.
So how does that fit with your statement of the vaccine being safe and sound?
Why not country aside of the USA and Japan take the responsibility if it is safe?
Glad if you could shed some light
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Actually it is quite simple.
If Pfizer and governments would make a strong statement by giving final approval for the vaccine and taking all liability in case of side effects, we would not have this discussion and everybody will happily get vaccinated.
Now as you mentioned this vaccine has been studied and is safe, I wonder why it is still under emergency approval...
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@Zichi, I think this is the other way around. Western countries people have lost basic life skills and as demonstrated by the current crisis, are left helpless and totally dependent on the omnipresent government. Poor countries are used to hardship and take charge of basic life necessities, their governments are not as intrusive as the Western ones so people are free to do what it takes to survive. If anything, we will see people getting back to simpler life.
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