Raw Beer comments

Posted in: Tokyo reports 102 new coronavirus cases See in context

In real world application, the false positive rate has been estimated at between 0.8 and 4% in the UK amongst low incidence groups

Hmmm, so if we have similar rates here, then out of the 2987 tests performed, we would get 24-119 false positive results.

So I wonder what fraction of the reported 102 cases are real cases.

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Posted in: WHO chief warns against 'vaccine nationalism' See in context

Rather shocking and surprising news. I hope that things go better with a Covid-19 vaccine.

Wow, that is shocking; I didn't know the death count was so high! From that article:

South Korea reported that 48 have died as of Saturday after getting flu shots, but said it would carry on with the state-run vaccination programme as they found no direct link between the deaths and the shots.

I noticed that some never accept the link between vaccines and their adverse effects/deaths. Glad to see the Singapore authorities acting responsibly.

I suspect the Korean flu vaccine was tested more than the current Covid-19 vaccines are.

I hope Japan doesn't show "vaccine nationalism" and lets other countries have the Covid-19 vaccines first.

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Posted in: How fetal cells from the 1970s power medical innovation today See in context

So the abortions pushed by Gates' dad decades ago are now making his son richer.

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Posted in: WHO vaccine drive bedeviled by familiar question: Who pays if things go wrong? See in context

There is a 50% chance of that, it is not so difficult to believe, if you make a random group of thousands of people and follow them for 6 months it is very likely at least a few will have heavy health problems and one dying

But we often hear of adverse effects occurring within minutes or hours after vaccination, not 6 months.

And when considering vaccine safety, I suspect they only look at short term adverse effects; RFK jr talked about this...

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Posted in: Mute buttons and plexiglass: Inside the final 2020 debate See in context

I suspect they'll use the mute button to prevent him from bringing up all the dirt (Hunter's PC, Clinton's E-mails,....) that recently came up on the Dems, but which the MSM and social media are censoring.

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Posted in: Pfizer, BioNTech start combined trials of COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Japan See in context

@Tokyo-Engr

I am not aware of the side-effects of quinones, but I do believe HCQ is safe at the recommended dose. Short term should be fine.

Did you feel the side effects right away, or only after 3 weeks?

What you're doing sounds good. I think my diet has enough zinc, but I too occasionally supplement with zinc. And now that summer has gone, I also supplement with vitamin D; I highly recommend that.

I think what we are doing is helpful to prevent Covid-19 complications, but as you said, even if it doesn't it is certainly making us healthier.

It would be great if I could have some HCQ, to take whenever I feel bad. Since that is unfortunately not possible, I am now considering getting some quercetin from Amazon; some people suggest it might work a bit like HCQ.

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Posted in: Pfizer, BioNTech start combined trials of COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Japan See in context

Strange, there are lots of experts criticizing the UK study for using too high doses of HCQ, for not treating patients in the early stages, and for not including zinc.

You claim the doses were not so high. So how do you explain the France Soir (FS) interview of Prof Martin Landray (ML), one of the principal researchers of the Oxford Recovery trials.

FS: “Are there any maximum dosage for HCQ in the UK?” (according to the British National Formulary, the maximum dosage is about 400mg, for a 70kg person)

ML: “I would have to check but it is much larger than the 2400mg, something like six or 10 times that. … the HCQ dosage used are not dissimilar to that used, as I said, in for example amoebic dysentery.”

And there is also Dr John Campbell, who clearly shows how the British study used inexplicably high doses of HCQ. Hmmm, who should we believe, all the experts who point out the inexplicably high doses of HCQ in the British study, or should we believe virusrex, who has been pushing for the "safe and effective can-do-no -harm" vaccines?

The truth is that low doses of HCQ with zinc (and azithromycin) when given in the early stages is very effective, and practically renders a rushed vaccine irrelevant.

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Posted in: Pfizer, BioNTech start combined trials of COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Japan See in context

Yeah, when I mentioned:

"I did hear of a study being investigated for malpractice, but it's the study that showed that hydroxychloroquine is useless for Covid-19 and potentially toxic. They used hydroxychloroquine concentrations that were up to 20X the recommended upper limit. The same study that was constantly used by the MSM to criticize Trump."

I was referring to a published article that was retracted.

The other article I brought up was not retracted; they simply terminated the study themselves. I guess the excuse they gave was that they concluded HCQ was not effective and that patients died. I suspect they terminated it when someone in their group realized that they had confused hydroxychloroquine with hydroxyquinolines and that the doses of hydroxychloroquine they were giving them were way too high, although you insisted the doses were fine and accused me of not reading the paper correctly.

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Posted in: Pfizer, BioNTech start combined trials of COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Japan See in context

Unfortunately, some are focusing on experiments where massive doses of HCQ were given without zinc at late stages of infection, as if they wanted the experiments to fail.

That is a myth, propagated by people that make money from fraudulent treatments and that benefit from fooling people to distrust the science that prove they are crooks. Again, the last time you said those "experiments" were being investigated by the criminal "megadoses" but then you put as example perfectly valid studies, done with serum levels on par with patients with other diseases that actually respond to HCQ and not even one of the supposedly criminal studies was ever under investigation.

You brought up the investigation of HCQ studies, I simply mentioned that the study that should be investigated is the one that used massive doses of HCQ, much higher than the recommended maximum dose for HCQ. You responded saying that the doses were typical, and based on the HCQ dose used to treat another disease.

Well France Soir (FS) interviewed Prof Martin Landray (ML), one of the principal researchers of the Oxford Recovery trials. Have a look!

FS: “How did you decide on the dosage of hydroxychloroquine?”

ML: “The doses were chosen on the basis of pharmacokinetic modelling and these are in line with the sort of doses that you used for other diseases such as amoebic dysentery.” (very much like your response)

FS: “Are there any maximum dosage for HCQ in the UK?”

ML: “I would have to check but it is much larger than the 2400mg, something like six or 10 times that. … the HCQ dosage used are not dissimilar to that used, as I said, in for example amoebic dysentery.”

(according to the British National Formulary, the maximum dosage is about 400mg, for a 70kg person)

Then FS interviewed Doctor Christian Perronne (Professor of Infectious and Tropical Diseases) who told them:

“It is indeed the first time that I learn that we use hydroxychloroquine in amoebic dysentery, in addition to the dose being super-toxic for humans.”

“The classic treatment for colonic amoebiasis is based on a combination of hydroxyquinolines, tiliquinol and tilbroquinol, whose trade name is Intetrix.”

I think they confused hydroxychloroquine with hydroxyquinolines.”

“If my assumption is correct, it is incompetence. Most serious is the use of a huge, potentially fatal, dose,” added Professor Perronne.

I know you're always boasting of your unique ability to read primary sources, but it appears that both you and Prof Landray confused hydroxychloroquine with hydroxyquinoline!

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Posted in: WHO vaccine drive bedeviled by familiar question: Who pays if things go wrong? See in context

Who foots the bill if people in poor countries fall sick with unexpected side-effects from coronavirus vaccines?

What?!! I thought vaccines were safe and effective!

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Posted in: 5 South Koreans die after getting flu shots, sparking vaccine fears See in context

I usually get a flu shot every few years or so just to give my immune system an update.

I keep my immune system "updated" by breathing, while keeping my body as healthy as conveniently possible. Normally, we are constantly breathing in bacteria and viruses that challenge our immune system and keep it on its toes. I worry that with all the mask wearing, social distancing, and extra sanitizing that people's immune systems will weaken, and will eventually be dependent on vaccines for protection.

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Posted in: 5 South Koreans die after getting flu shots, sparking vaccine fears See in context

Every case is different, but maybe more than a vaccine, eating well, sleeping well and having good hygiene plays a huge part.

Indeed, if one is truly healthy, the body should be able to handle the flu.

I too haven't been vaccinated in over a decade, and haven't had any problems. Perhaps a few minor sniffles every few years.

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Posted in: Pfizer, BioNTech start combined trials of COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Japan See in context

"Pharmas" get much richer the less vaccines there are, one person visiting the ICU leaves more money than a thousand vaccines being sold, that is an argument FOR vaccines, not against.

Pharmas make a fortune selling vaccines, and then make a greater fortune treating the complications caused by vaccines.

There are plenty of experiments demonstrating HCQ's effectiveness. Low doses given early, ideally with zinc, was shown to be effective, and is something that should be made available.

Unfortunately, some are focusing on experiments where massive doses of HCQ were given without zinc at late stages of infection, as if they wanted the experiments to fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro&t=470s

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

But to be clear again, those patients are a selection of cases that have this reactivity, not all of the patients that got SARS have this until now. And also all the SARS patients included were heavily symptomatic, so that still says nothing about the immunity for the vast mayority of COVID-19 patients that are never hospitalized.

The paper just says that they got samples from 23 people who recovered from SARS-CoV 17 years ago. All of those samples reacted. Where did you get the information that they selected for those who had been heavily symptomatic?

And don't forget:

"We also detected SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with individuals who had SARS and/or COVID-19 (**n = 37)"**

many people have reactive cellular immunity against the virus, but that is not the same to be immune.

It isn't? What is the difference?

To say those people are protected it is needed to study whether the people with reactive cells show lower rates of complications and death after infection. Until then you can only say they MAY be protected.

I guess the same is true for vaccines. We will only know if vaccines are effective once they show that vaccinated people get less complications and death after infect than recovered people upon reinfection!

it may actually work increasing the risk of complications

Oh, you mean like those previous vaccine candidates that seemed very promising in animal studies but that ended up causing deadly overreactions upon infection.

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

I forgot to mention that the memory lymphocytes from those who recovered from the 1st SARS CoV (17 years ago) also reacted to the N protein of SARS-CoV-2.

Next, we showed that patients (n = 23) who recovered from SARS (the disease associated with SARS-CoV infection) possess long-lasting memory T cells that are reactive to the N protein of SARS-CoV 17 years after the outbreak of SARS in 2003; these T cells displayed robust cross-reactivity to the N protein of SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

The article also mentions the following:

We also detected SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with individuals who had SARS and/or COVID-19 (n = 37)

So many of us are already immune to this virus and we don't know it. It would be great to know who is already immune so we don't need to take any risks with vaccines...

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

Here is some simple arithmetic for Raw Beer and those of like mind.

When doing arithmetic, you have to make sure you're starting off with the correct numbers. However, not everyone has the ability to do that; see Peter Neil's post.

The infection fatality rate for Covid-19 is around 0.23% overall, as inferred from seroprevalence data. For people below 70, the number drops to around 0.05%.

Worse still there is no guarantee any immunity achieved is lasting.

There is no guarantee that we will ever get a safe and effective vaccine. So you want to keep the vulnerable people locked up for ever?

Anyway, as I mentioned many times, those who recovered from the 1st SARS CoV (17 years ago) still have the memory lymphocytes that would protect them from a second attack. I suspect it will also be the case for SARSCoV2.

So, I'm not the one that is "ignorant of science" and it is our avoidance of herd immunity that will lead to needless death and suffering.

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

Yeah, I have heard many virologists talking about this, as well as doctors treating covid19 patients, and other scientists analyzing the various Covid19 stats. On the MSM, we never get an honest representation of these views, instead we get the same constant nonsense repeated almost daily. I can't see how this could be anything but intentional disinformation, partly to sell vaccines, partly to inconvenience as many of us as possible perhaps to get most of us to accept their solutions, including the reset.

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

This deceptive article mentions the views of some health experts, mentioning that "it is possible to become reinfected with COVID-19" (yeah 5 or a dozen cases world wide so far).

Such a strategy would result in "recurrent epidemics" of COVID-19 similar to those caused by numerous infectious diseases before vaccines were invented.

Oh, I see, they are pushing the vaccines again! Why do we have so many articles pushing the "thank God for the vaccines" narratives, and no articles that honestly represent the views of the many experts that are promoting the herd immunity narrative, which is not a "dangerous fallacy devoid of scientific proof".

What we have here is an official narrative from people that have certain agendas. This narrative is supported by massive funding and the MSM, which promote that narrative and censor or attack anyone that does not toe the line.

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

How about one full association of professionals that have anything to do with infectious diseases, epidemy control or public health management?

Oh, you mean the ones that must toe the line in order to continue receiving funding from Fauci and Gates?

There are plenty of "valid, scientific, objective opinions well founded with reliable data" out there that are not expressed by professional associations.

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Posted in: Experts slam 'dangerous fallacy' of virus herd immunity See in context

I happen to think that we should, while protecting the most vulnerable, let the virus spread freely as long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed. I particularly think this should have been done this summer, when people are less susceptible (warmth, humidity, vitamin D...). And there are a number of experts who say similar things, talking about a safe spread. I think lockdowns have caused more damage than good, and are probably at least partly associated with the coming reset.

If a truly safe and effective vaccine becomes available, great. But we should not put all our hopes into it.

Also, I really hate this constant stream of articles slamming those who offer alternative views. I get very suspicious when they try too hard to control the narrative

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Posted in: Best places to buy plant-based, organic and healthy food in Japan See in context

Many people still associate plant-based food with health. I'm moving towards a carnivore diet, gradually cutting out plants.

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Posted in: COVID reinfections are possible. Should we worry? See in context

Wow, another article telling us that reinfections are possible. Two days ago, the article told is there were 5 cases worldwide, now they're telling us its about a dozen.

Now they're telling us natural herd immunity is impossible and vaccines can offer us longer lasting immunity. I wonder how much funding these people are getting from big pharma. The wording of the article seems meant to get us to get the vaccine, perhaps every two years.

Anyway, as I have mentioned a number of times, those who recovered from the 1st SARS CoV (17 years ago) still have the memory lymphocytes that would protect them from a second attack. I suspect it will also be the case for SARSCoV2. The body does not continue to produce large amounts of antibodies after a month or so but maintain memory cells that can respond quickly and produce antibodies upon further contact with the antigen; that is very typical.

The examples mentioned above are very rare. And I wonder whether they were truly reinfections. Perhaps some of the first positive PCR results were false positives.

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Posted in: Vaccine reluctance linked to belief in virus hoaxes: study See in context

At billions of times less amount and variety? definetely.

You keep on saying that. But you're wrong. I don't eat any monkey cell debris, or human fetal cell debris. And I eat even less uncooked versions of those. You can keep on saying that vaccines are 100% pure, but informed rational people don't believe it.

And how about quoting where did I say that "vaccines are perfectly fine before completion of clinical trials."?

I already wasted too much time finding your other statements that you denied making. Now, I don't remember your exact words, but you did say something very similar to that. After, someone else pointed out that they had not been tested yet, you retracted by saying they were candidates but that they were fine. It took you over a month of me accusing you of considering untested vaccines as perfectly fine before you denied it. If that is not what you said, what did you say? You did say something very similar to that.

the vaccine at least protects from a disease in a safe and reliable way.

Says you! Some also paralyze or kill.

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Posted in: Vaccine reluctance linked to belief in virus hoaxes: study See in context

It would be as bad as using "I would rather strengthen my immunity by licking money than getting a vaccine" except that this is an actual quote.

Oh, so you would rather get monkey cell or human fetal cell debris (with perhaps contaminating viruses) injected in your arm. So yeah, compared to that, I would rather lick money. But the best is to do neither.

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Posted in: Supercomputer shows humidity affects aerosol spread of coronavirus See in context

I've been hearing for months that the virus is less stable under high humidity. Also, your airways offer much greater protection against infection under humid conditions.

So I just bought a humidifier for my office...

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Posted in: Vaccine reluctance linked to belief in virus hoaxes: study See in context

@1glenn,

I agree, it is much more difficult for the authorities to manipulate an educated population that can think critically.

I’ve never come across a poster here claiming vaccines have never, or will never, cause any harm.

Oh, I see you've not read virusrex's word salads. She even thinks vaccines are perfectly fine before completion of clinical trials.

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Posted in: YouTube to remove COVID vaccine misinformation See in context

Great, so Youtube will soon become as irrelevant as CNN et al.

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Posted in: Vaccine reluctance linked to belief in virus hoaxes: study See in context

Pro vaxxer

Ridiculous expression...

I guess you're right, it is a ridiculous expression. Can you recommend a better expression for: person who believes vaccines have never caused any harm and never will, and should be pushed on everyone?

Conversely, anti-vaxxer is also a ridiculous expression, a more appropriate one would be pro-safe-vaxxer. All we want are safe vaccines, with an open and honest discussion on their safety and efficacy.

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Posted in: Vaccine reluctance linked to belief in virus hoaxes: study See in context

If tackling this "misinformation" is such an important issue, all they have to do is have an open debate between the "anti-vaxxers" and the pro-vaxxers; problem solved. As long as pro-vaxxers continue to run away from discussing the known vaccine risks and the "anti-vaxxers" continue to be censored, people will hesitate to get a vaccine.

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Posted in: COVID-19 reinfection casts doubt on virus immunity: study See in context

5 cases worldwide! Appears to be a very rare event.

And also to understand how long the immunity for the natural infection lasts.

Those who recovered from the 1st SARS CoV (17 years ago) still have the memory lymphocytes that would protect them from a second attack. So far, it appears to also be the case for SARSCoV2, but its too soon to know for sure. Time will tell.

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