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Posted in: Western nations pledge more military support for Ukraine See in context

Here we are again, Reds/commies replaced by Russia and using the same propaganda nearly down to the same words.

Yes, and what makes it stranger this time is that the Reds/commies are at home, not in Russia...

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Posted in: Western nations pledge more military support for Ukraine See in context

Don't the Ukrainian people realize that they are being used and sacrificed by the West and their puppet Zelensky to fight their war?

As someone from the US regime recently said: ""We have to fight Russia over there so we don't have to fight them here"

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Posted in: GOP rallies around Trump following FBI search of his estate See in context

Terrifying what they are willing to do. All because the Dems have nobody that can beat Trump in the next election, no matter how much they fortify it.

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Posted in: Long COVID symptoms affect one in eight, study suggests See in context

It all depends how they are compared. My comments are very clear, they are not invalid. I never described the 12.7% as representing the incidence in the infected group.

Two different people clearly understood your comparison as wrong.

Yes, two JT members misunderstood my comparison, despite my best efforts to make my point clear.

The much more clear comparison (21 instead of the expected 9%) clearly points out that the 12% is not the total fraction of infected people that presented symptoms but the extra percentage when compared with the basal number.

Exactly, "the extra percentage when compared with the basal number" that got the symptoms due to the infection. It's the "1 in 8" that is in the title, why shouldn't I use that number in my comparison. I am talking about the "1 in 8"!

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Posted in: Long COVID symptoms affect one in eight, study suggests See in context

Your text compares 12.7 and 9%, which is invalid

It all depends how they are compared. My comments are very clear, they are not invalid. I never described the 12.7% as representing the incidence in the infected group.

You are almost as likely to get the symptoms for other reasons (8.7%) as you are of getting them from the infection (12.7%).

Are you sure about that? I don't mean to be splitting hairs but the way I interpreted it:

The original source can easily be consulted and clearly says so:

OK, so the above article, on which my comments are based, is wrong...

Anyway, considering that 8.7% of uninfected people also reported these symptoms, should we really be that alarmed about the virus. We might want to look elsewhere...

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Posted in: Long COVID symptoms affect one in eight, study suggests See in context

Yes, that is why I modified the text from the article to make it clearer, and intentionally added "long covid".

The authors suggest that 12.7% of those who had covid suffered from long covid; i.e. as a result of the infection. While 9% had the same symptoms for other reasons (stress, vaccination?,...).

...that means without covid it would be a 8.7%, with covid it becomes 21.4%.

Are you sure about that? I don't mean to be splitting hairs but the way I interpreted it:

With Covid: 21.7%

Without Covid: 9%

Difference: 12.7% (authors suggest this difference is caused by the infection)

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Posted in: Long COVID symptoms affect one in eight, study suggests See in context

The authors suggest 12.7 % of those who had COVID (1 in 8) suffered from long Covid (chest pain, breathing difficulties, muscle pain, loss of taste and smell, and general fatigue). But 9 % of a control group which did not have COVID reported similar symptoms. And this was before Omicron! And I suspect infected people were not offered safe and effective early treatments....

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Posted in: Japan to roll out Omicron-targeted COVID vaccine as early as October See in context

Really? Based off a website that actively discourages vaccination? Yes, of course they are. Laughable codswallop (the whole website).

What?!!! Nature is one of the most prestigious science journals. That is where Watson and Crick publish their structure of DNA back in 1953...

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Posted in: Japan to roll out Omicron-targeted COVID vaccine as early as October See in context

That is the longest they looked at. Anyway, that is immunity against infection, not just symptoms, and one year is still much longer than the 2 months you get from the vax.

no it isnt you can still get infected again even if youve caught covid, against 1 type of variant, what happens when you catch anther varient.

Actually he is right. Nobody is claiming natural immunity is 100% effective. But it does provide protection against infection, for at least a year; while vaccines offer protection for a few months against hospitalization but not infection.

And vaccines offer little protection against long Covid:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0

These are the FACTS, the real ones...

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Posted in: Inside the super-secure Swiss lab trying to stop the next pandemic See in context

According to E-mails to Fauci from early 2020 that were released by FOIA:

Andersen reported to Fauci that “after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.” Eddie is Edward C. Holmes of the University of Sydney; Bob is Robert F. Garry of Tulane University; Mike is Michael Farzan at Scripps Research. In their unanimous view, the virus didn’t come from nature and may instead have escaped from a lab.

There are many signs that the virus was engineered. That is what these experts said in private among themselves. But these same experts would within days publicly call the lab-leak theories as "crackpot theories" and soon after publish an article declaring without proof “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

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Posted in: Inside the super-secure Swiss lab trying to stop the next pandemic See in context

Yeah, in the name of stopping the next pandemic, they will once again start the next one.

Is it really super secure. What was the WIV, super insecure?

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Posted in: Spreading COVID-19 infections among aides to Kishida raise caution See in context

Considering the high vaccination rate, it also means that being vaccinated is terribly bad protection against being infected.

The huge difference is that even if both things have limited efficacy in preventing infections the vaccines represent a much lower risk,

At preventing (re)infections, natural immunity is much much much better. And vaccines are not lower risk. More kids died in Japan last year after getting the vaccine than died from Covid. The virus is now much milder, but not the vaccine. And the vaccine is risky every time you get it...

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Posted in: Spreading COVID-19 infections among aides to Kishida raise caution See in context

About 1 in 10 Japanese have had a confirmed infection. I suspect the actual number is much higher (perhaps 5 - 10 X higher), 

According to your argument every case we see now (including hospitalized patients and deaths) are reinfections (since 10X of 10% is 100%),

Yeah, and 5X 10% is 50%. So we are somewhere between 50% and 100%. As we get closer to 100%, the numbers will come down. Note that about 20% are pre-omicron.

this means being infected is a terribly bad protection against being reinfected, the opposite of what you also believe. This self contradiction comes from believing contradictory things according to convenience.

Considering the high vaccination rate, it also means that being vaccinated is terribly bad protection against being infected. Unfortunately, many of those who have been infected were vaccinated, which has been shown to adversely affect the overall immune system...

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Posted in: Spreading COVID-19 infections among aides to Kishida raise caution See in context

nothing to see here. Everyone will get it sooner or later. The sooner we accept that the sooner we move on.

Yes, if we haven't already. About 1 in 10 Japanese have had a confirmed infection. I suspect the actual number is much higher (perhaps 5 - 10 X higher), so the vast majority of us have already been infected, even if we didn't notice it, and the number of cases will come down soon as we achieve herd immunity.

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Posted in: Ukraine President Zelenskyy says China must not help Russia See in context

The US say Zelensky can endure much punishment as he want,until he decides to negotiate,the US do have an endgame,neither do Putin or Zelensky

Oh yeah, Zelensky can endure all the Vogue photo shoots and Zoom calls, it's the Ukrainian people who are forced to endure the punishments, all just to further Biden's agenda.

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Posted in: Spreading COVID-19 infections among aides to Kishida raise caution See in context

Instead of doubling down on the "we never said the vaccines would prevent infection" walkback, people should drop their egos and admit honestly that the vaccines have underperformed drastically.

Indeed!

Although I can't stand the CEO of Pfizer, I appreciate that he at least admitted on a few occasions that the vaccines have little effect on getting infected with omicron and transmitting it.

The fact that the most heavily vaccinated countries tend to also have the highest case numbers might be partially due to these vaccines turning many people into asymptomatic spreaders; they have little (if any) effect on viral load while reducing symptoms...

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Side effects: yes. Deaths: no. You did notice the footnote in the chart?

「因果関係は認められていない」

Yeah, they did not yet confirm the 5 child deaths (last year) were caused by the vaccine, but they did not confirm the vaccines didn't cause the deaths.

They have not yet been certified as vaccine deaths, but clearly fewer kids died last year from covid than died soon after vaccination from something that could be vaccine related (i.e., not an accident).

In other words, for young healthy people, the vaccines are not worth the risk, especially now that the virus is milder and that almost everyone has already been infected (whether we felt it or not).

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

You seem to be confusing the presence or amount of antibody with immunity. I know that you know that that is not right. The waning of antibodies is expected

Neutralizing antibody levels are well characterized surrogate of protection in the case of covid. There is no confusion. Antibody levels dropping is valid evidence of protection also dropping.

OK, maybe you don't believe me, but do you believe yourself. You (virusrex) wrote the following:

July 15, 2020 : “The rest is the same, antibodies levels being reduced over time (wow, news from two months ago!), but without even one single case of reinfection, because the assumption that the levels are a perfect surrogate for infection is obviously mistaken.”

July 16, 2020: “The article (and the study) are wrong for one very important point. antibodies are not a perfect surrogate for immunity.”

July 17, 2020: “…looking exclusively to antibodies and saying "see, immunity disappear!" is simply wrong. Specially because even a postgraduate student or a resident on immunology knows that cellular immunity can fulfill that role without trouble, both the scientists and the media have a responsibility to include this in the discussion.”

But today, you say that because the serum IgA drop after 70 days, that must mean that immunity does too. The epidemiological studies from Qatar and elsewhere say otherwise....

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Mucosal immunity is what prevents infection;

Not when the immunity is much more short lasted and less effective, specially because it act only once instead of continously as humoral immunity. It has been proved scientifically.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.09.495422v1

You seem to be confusing the presence or amount of antibody with immunity. I know that you know that that is not right. The waning of antibodies is expected....

BTW, did you notice on the very first line of the paper you referenced:

"Secretory immunoglobulin A (IgA) plays a crucial role in the mucosal immunity for preventing the invasion of the exogenous antigens... "

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Infection provides mucousal immunity, vaccines do not;

That can be the reason why the infection is so defective, mucosal immunity is shorter lasted and less effective than humoral immunity for covid.

Mucosal immunity is what prevents infection; i.e., it's what we want if we want to block the spread and reach herd immunity, which the vaccines do not do. Vaccines only reduce the symptoms, for a couple of months....

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

it wanes rapidly and quickly turns into negative protection (less than zero).

Negative protection? How do you come up with this hogwash? Who is pulling your leg?

That "hogwash" comes from:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-30895-3

About the vaccine side effects in Japanese kids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8GkIwOGB4

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Raw Beer Today 03:32 pm JST

the protection provided by vaccination is much lower, basically zero

And by "basically zero" you of course mean "77% after the 3rd shot":

Yeah, 77% after the 3rd shot. But this protection (against symptoms) only lasts for a few months. After that, it wanes rapidly and quickly turns into negative protection (less than zero).

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

28 or 15% obviously mean most people are still at risk of a reinfection,

Yeah, that is the protection a pre-Omicron infection provides against reinfection with BA.4 or BA.5.

In the same time frame, the protection provided by vaccination is much lower, basically zero.

Prior infection with Omicron was 79.7% effective at preventing BA.4 and BA.5 reinfection, and 76.1% effective at preventing symptomatic reinfection. Infection provides mucousal immunity, vaccines do not; that is why infection protects against reinfection, not just symptoms...

and to get these low levels of protection they had to run the full risks of the infection in the first place,

If you are healthy, those risks are extremely low, and the protection is long lasting. Vaccination has its own risks, and the protection (from symptoms only) is short lived.

I don't recall when this Japanese stat was from or the exact age range, but at some point when there were 3 covid deaths among Japanese children, there were 5 vaccine deaths. For kids, the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus.

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Now that we objectively know that an Omicron (especially the currently prevalent BA.5) infection does not lead to immunity even against itself, that people can and have been re-infected, some already for the 3rd time ... What exactly is the value of getting it on purpose?

The data indicates otherwise:

"The researchers found that infection with a pre-Omicron variant prevented reinfection with BA.4 or BA.5 with an effectiveness of 28.3%, and prevented symptomatic reinfection with either subvariant with an effectiveness of 15.1%. Prior infection with Omicron granted stronger protection: it was 79.7% effective at preventing BA.4 and BA.5 reinfection and 76.1% effective at preventing symptomatic reinfection."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01950-2

Infection provides protection against reinfection, vaccines do not. Vaccines are only effective at preventing symptoms, but only for a couple of months, while a prior infection provides protection for at least a year.

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Posted in: Japan health experts urge gov't to speed up review of COVID measures See in context

Japan doesn’t really want to know how to speed things up!

There’s too much money changing hands with certain agencies on the Covid bandwagon in Japan.

Exactly! By the summer of 2020, they could have followed measures that were effective in other countries, where people were handed packages containing a combination of certain extremely cheap products, which are very effective when taken early. Unfortunately, these are not profitable for certain people so they were ignored and/or forbidden...

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Posted in: The virus has modified over time, so the classification under the law should also be modified. See in context

It's a common sense comment. The response and measures should better reflect the relative mildness of the latest variants.

A cold does not require notification or hospitalization!

Exactly, very well said!

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Posted in: Japan reports 233,094 coronavirus cases; record high 40,406 for Tokyo See in context

Herd immunity is the only effective remedy I m afraid.

Yes! I see this latest wave as an efficient mass vaccination program, using a live attenuated virus. It has some mild adverse effects for some, but it will give us longer lasting immunity, not just a couple of months of reduced symptoms.

the deaths are also not reported accurately because Japan does not count Covid-related deaths the same way more transparent countries like the US does.

Japan does not have the same financial incentive to count as a Covid death any death of a person that happens to test positive.

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Posted in: Japan tops global new COVID cases in week to Sunday: WHO See in context

Those vaccines are working really well then

The number of deaths and severe cases indicates that, yes, they are working.

The low deaths/severe cases is because of this variant is mild. Omicron was first reported as mild in South Africa, which had a very low vaccination rate. At most, these vaccines reduce severity during a very narrow window of time; before and after which they make things worse.

Remember all those people spouting that Japanese are immune and the virus won’t spread because Japanese don’t shake hands? And, don’t forget that herd immunity crap.

Yeah, that was before they started the mass vaccination. Herd immunity will be reached if we let our immune systems do their thing and stop messing things up with these injections....

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Posted in: Japan grants 1st payment for death related to COVID vaccination See in context

Consent must be freely given and totalyl voluntary.

and informed!

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Posted in: Japan grants 1st payment for death related to COVID vaccination See in context

If these 1700 cases of vaccine related deaths are in Japan, do clearly proof that the vaccine is far away from being safe!

Probably Japanese vaccine related deaths. The world-wide numbers (VAERS and others) are much much higher.

By the end of Feb, 2021, Pfizer had already recorded 1,223 vaccine-related deaths, according to documents released by the FDA after a FOIA request and court order.

And yes, these vaccines are far from being safe. The data continues to pour out, showing associations with deaths, heart problems, menstrual problems, miscarriages....

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