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Posted in: U.S. questions self-defense law after killing of unarmed black teenager in Florida See in context

Section 784 of the Florida code refers to stalking and harassment as any "course of conduct" directed against another individual

Besides the fact that he wasn't even charged with any offense related to this statute.

The part of Section 784 you left out:

(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/784.048.html

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Posted in: U.S. questions self-defense law after killing of unarmed black teenager in Florida See in context

Not true at all:

But Juror B37 made it a point to assert that Stand-Your-Ground was indeed brought up in the jury's deliberations and, according to her, weighed in their final verdict.

Judge Nelson's instructions to the jury excerpt prior to deliberations:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"

http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson/?utmsource=rss&utmmedium=rss&utm_campaign=zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson

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Posted in: More protests planned over acquittal in black teen's murder See in context

Keep in mind that the legal points of Stand-Your-Ground were never introduced in the trial, nor were the discussed. The jury decided on their own to introduce the law and use it to argue and weigh their final decision.

Not true at all:

Judge Nelson's instructions to the jury excerpt prior to deliberations:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"

http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson/?utmsource=rss&utmmedium=rss&utm_campaign=zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Since stand-your-ground was not part of the trial, nor in the points of law brought up in the trial, how is that a jury would decide to introduce it in their deliberations and use it to help them form their decision? Doesn't this cast serious questions on their impartiality?

Judge Nelson's instructions to the jury excerpt prior to deliberations:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"

http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=zimmerman-jury-instructions-as-read-by-judge-nelson

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Posted in: More protests planned over acquittal in black teen's murder See in context

Let me state the question simply. If the roles were reversed, are there any similar circumstances in which you can imagine a black gunmen walking free? Be honest with yourself!

I took your challenge and found a case in Iowa where the shooter was African American and the person assaulting him was a white Anglo by the name of James Scott Ludwick,,,,,,Excerpt:

A former security guard and law enforcement officer, Lewis also is a hunter and gun collector and came to Iowa with a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Police reports and court records say Lewis’ troubles began shortly before midnight on Oct. 29. Lewis was headed home in his blue Ford Mustang, south on 11th Street toward Regency Woods Apartments in West Des Moines, when he came upon a Ford Taurus driven by James Scott Ludwick, 35.

Ludwick, a former soldier and convicted felon, was driving four people home from a Halloween party. Documents say Ludwick slowed; Lewis passed him. Ludwick sped up, and the cars raced down 11th Street until they came to Regency Woods. They collided when Lewis, in front and on the right, started to turn left.

Lewis said Ludwick and a passenger, Justin Lossner, got out of the Taurus and began punching the Mustang’s windows.

Ludwick was shot, Lewis said, when Ludwick turned away as if to retreat, then spun back and charged. Records say the bullet hit Ludwick in his chest above the right pectoral muscle, then tore through his right bicep.

Jurors found Lewis’ actions entirely appropriate.

“He gave them fair warning,” jury forewoman Nancy Alberts said. “Normally, anybody that would pull a gun on someone, you would think that they would stop. ... That wasn’t the case here. You could clearly hear on the 911 call where he warned Mr. Ludwick.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120222/NEWS01/302220033/Man-acquitted-in-shooting-is-happy-to-be-free-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News&nclick_check=1

Ludwick's mug shot from a previous DUI arrect in Iowa.

http://www.whosarrested.com/iowa/polk-county/des-moines/pcso/974510-james-scott-ludwick:

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Posted in: More protests planned over acquittal in black teen's murder See in context

. It's only a matter of time before he announces his candidacy for some Tea Party position (oh, how they love him!).

He will have to leave the Democrat party first:

The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

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Posted in: More protests planned over acquittal in black teen's murder See in context

It's only a matter of time before he announces his candidacy for some Tea Party position (oh, how they love him!)

.Have to try and make him a part of the Tea Party on zilch evidence, pathetic.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Georgie Porgie Zimmerman -- the little man who ran away when those of his (supposed) gender came out to play. Little Georgie -- a little man who took martial arts training and outweighed his unarmed, 17-year-old opponent by over 40 pounds and squealed like a stuck pig, if we are to believe his mama,

If we are to believe Trayvon Martin's mother's testimony, it was Trayvon Martin screaming and not George Zimmerman. I'm not going to embellish that with childish name calling, snide inferences as to his sexuality and adjectives toward Trayvon Martin or call his mother "mama". I'll leave that to you.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Georgie Porgie's mama said that was him screaming like a stuck pig on the 911 recording

The last time I heard a person by the name of George called "Georgie Porgie" was in the third grade,

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Given superficial injuries -- that is, no stitches, concussion, or broken bones -- a sissy-boy (gutless coward) might more easily con a woman into believing he was in a fight where he was in fear for his life,

So Trayvon Martin beat up on a non threatening "sissy-boy".....I got it.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Just as more men are likely to know what it is like to put on gloves and step into the boxing ring than, say, Sugar Ray Leonard's mother. LOL!!

Making sexist statements is not something to laugh at yabits, Ms Leonard would be more of an expert as to what injuries were caused by blows to the head and what they look like and the after effects then you and I would ever be in one million years and would have been one hell of a juror asset if she was seated on this trial..

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

I have a hard time accepting that a group of women selected at random would possess the intimate knowledge of a male-on-male tussle in their past experience,

Yup, I guess raising boys wouldn't count here if any of these woman had children who happened to be males as 'experience'.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Again, I have a hard time accepting that Zimmerman's "peers" are exclusively women.

Woman aren't equal to men and cannot be their peers.... I got it.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

At some point, the principles regarding standing one's ground could have applied to Martin, who was in the process of heading to his father's residence -- an act that struck Zimmerman as being "up to no good." Do we really have to take his word and trust his judgment on this?

No, that's why we have impartial trials instead, and this impartial jury didn't buy a single word of any of your theories and your past and now continuing conjectures to this case, as evident by the not guilty verdicts to both 2nd degree murder and the not guilty lesser charge of manslaughter. Due process was done as you demanded on your yabits Mar. 28, 2012 - 11:23PM JST thread regarding this incident when it first became national news and he was charged with exactly what you had wished for.........as you stated:

"There is no way to decide Zimmerman is guilty except by due process, which should not have been left up to the police at the scene. I decided early on that no way should Zimmerman have been set free without facing manslaughter charges at the least".

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/mass-florida-rally-after-black-teen-shot-dead/comments/popular/id/2196270

It is unfortunate that you do now do not wish or cannot accept the result of the not guilty verdict after due process has now been completed by a jury of his peers.

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

Only in The States are you allowed to murder someone for going out for a soft drink and minding his or her own business.

Nobody including Trayvon Martin was just minding their own business in this whole tragic set of events smith,

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Posted in: Florida jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting of unarmed black teenager See in context

An impartial jury heard all the State of Florida's (lack 0f) evidence against Zimmerman, and returned the proper verdict based solely on the evidence. The state failed to prove its case to a jury of his peers and the state should have never brought this politically motivated prosecution in the first place. This was all a political trial from the start and thank goodness the jury stayed above that and stayed with the actual evidence presented and then rendered their judgement of NOT GUILTY on all counts.

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Posted in: Oil-laden freight train explodes in Canadian town, people killed See in context

And what pipeline would have made the transport of this cargo of oil through Lac-Megantic unnecessary?

The proposed Energy East Pipeline project will deliver oil directly to the New Brunswick refinery that this shipment was destined for by rail.

To wit:

This is a proposed 4,400-kilometre pipeline that will carry between 500,000 and 850,000 barrels of crude oil per day from Alberta and Saskatchewan to refineries in Eastern Canada.

Three other new terminals will be built along the pipeline’s route: one in Saskatchewan, one in the Québec City area and another in the Saint John, New Brunswick area. The terminals in the Québec City and Saint John areas will include facilities for marine tanker loading. The project will also include delivery to existing Québec refineries in Montréal and near Québec City as well as the refinery in Saint John, New Brunswick.

http://www.transcanada.com/6246.html

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

"If mixed marriages were against her religion would it be okay for [her] to withhold service from mixed race couples, or interfaith couples, or other faith couples?"

Strawman, she is not being sued for any of the above and there is zero evidence that she is a person who practices discrimination at all. She previously sold flowers to the gay couple in question many times for uses other than a wedding ceremony with all its religious connotations..

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

Ironically, while it's pretty clear you haven't been able to demonstrate why same-sex marriage would harm heterosexuals in any way, your own link illustrates the harm is being done to gay folk.

To wit:Harriet Bernstein and Luisa Paster

Ms. Bernstein and Ms. Paster showed no respect for the beliefs of the methodists and forced a lawsuit and a judgement against them. You cannot post that Ms. Bernstiein and Ms. Paster could not have just respected their position to not perform a gay wedding ceremony on their property based on their conscientious objection on religious grounds and deeply held beliefs and be able to find a myriad of other locations that would have zero issue with it at all in New Jersey.

As stated before: The harm is forcing people to consent to this by court order decree in a manner that would make a dictatorship proud and makes a mockery of democracy.

Had a hard time trying to fit the conscientious objector angle into that one.

You've already made it quite clear that you believe that a conscientious objector should be forced to bow to the authority of the state and serve anyway .........or as you stated " or to sin against the authority of the state." so I do understand why it would be difficult for you.

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

If war were against this florist's beliefs would it be okay for her to refuse to serve soldiers and veterans?

Based on the almost universally recognized concept of a Conscientious Objector when it comes to not performing military service after being called by the country they live to serve in their armed forces, Yes, as there is solid 100 percent legal precedent for it based on strong religious belief and convictions.

To wit:

The international definition of conscientious objection officially broadened on March 8, 1995 when the United Nations Commission on Human Rights resolution 1995/83 stated that "persons performing military service should not be excluded from the right to have conscientious objections to military service."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

A real Christian's response would be to refuse to make a penny's profit from the flowers, selling them at cost, explaining that one's faith required that course. This would have met the scriptural requirements of obedience to authority and love for one's neighbor.

Now your the expert authority on how christians should practice their beliefs, Got it.

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

Inane hyperbole.

(Reuters) - A Washington state florist who refused to sell flowers to a gay couple for their wedding has been sued by the American Civil Liberties Union, in the second legal action accusing the vendor of discrimination.

Florist Barronelle Stutzman already faced a consumer protection lawsuit over the incident filed against her last week by state Attorney General Bob Ferguson. She maintained her Christian beliefs prevented her from selling the flowers for the same-sex wedding, according to court papers.

When Ingersoll entered Stutzman's store in March to buy flowers for his upcoming wedding to Freed, Stutzman told him she could not serve him "because of (her) relationship with Jesus Christ," according to the lawsuit filed last week by the attorney general.

Stutzman's attorney, Justin Bristol, said forcing his client to sell flowers for a gay wedding violated her constitutional rights of freedom of speech, association and religious exercise.

"She is one of the few people left today willing to stand by her convictions rather than compromise her beliefs," Bristol said. "She's a very nice lady and doesn't have a discriminatory bone in her body, but she doesn't want to be forced to participate in an event that she doesn't believe in."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-gaymarriage-washington-idUSBRE93I08820130419

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

Nonsense. There's no whim here. Please demonstrate the harm.

The harm is forcing churches to abandoned deeply held religious beliefs under the threat of being sued for discrimination and losing.tax exempt status. The harm is forcing people to consent to this by court order decree in a manner that would make a dictatorship proud and makes a mockery of democracy.

To wit:

Synopsis of the Ocean Grove New Jersey Methodist Church lawsuit for the use of their privately owned pavilion that was used for religious rites by the church.

Ocean Grove, a United Methodist Church in New Jersey, was successfully sued by a lesbian couple for not allowing them to be married on Ocean Grove’s grounds. The site in question is Ocean Groves’ seaside pavilion which is used in worship ceremonies. Ocean Grove argued under the First Amendment they have the right to not allow marriages they do not recognize on their grounds, the judge did not agree. Judge Solomon Metzger ruled Ocean Grove had to allow such marriages then went one step further and revoked Ocean Groves tax-exempt status on the pavilion and surrounding grounds. The tax-exempt status has since been re-instated for most of the grounds after the church re-filed for the exemption.

More details about this case and others that are at the forefront of were all this is going to be headed in the next years, recent court cases and lawsuits at the NPR link:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486340

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

Same commitment, same concept of two loving adults who love each other committing to each other for life,

Sounds just like a civil union but apparently that's wasn't good enough for the the more militant gay factions.

But, again, how does it impact YOUR marriage? ANYONE'S marriage.

Made marriage nothing more than whatever whims society deems to be now politically correct as to what it will be considered as a marriage now.

Do you have any guesses what would be consider a marriage is twenty years from now? I can't anymore.

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

How does same-sex marriage harm heterosexual unions?

By changing the concept of marriage that had been molded by thousands of years of tradition throughout all cultures to something now it never was intended to be. Might as well just call it now nothing more than getting a piece a paper that you get at the courthouse.

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Posted in: Gay marriages resume in California after 5-year hiatus See in context

Its both sad and pathetic, to hear those who claim to espouse tolerance, rant against anyone who dares disagree, with their beliefs. Indeed, there is nothing more hate-filled, then a self-righteous, anti-christian bigot.

Amen to that.

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Posted in: Conservative lawmaker Bachmann to leave Congress See in context

Next sailwind will shock the world with the news that Van Dyk owned three berets and an electric beard trimmer.

Nah, he wore BC's (Birth Control Glasses) and he was allowed to actually smoke on the Vice President's Hubert Humphrey's Plane back in the day.

http://crosscut.com/2010/05/25/politics-government/19836/Will-progressive-legacy-shape-brighter-future/

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Posted in: Conservative lawmaker Bachmann to leave Congress See in context

Referring to the obscure Ted Van Dyk:........ From 1992

A reluctant Tsongas could be a major impediment to a unified convention. Tsongas won 18.2 percent of the total primary vote, third behind Clinton's 52 percent and former California Gov. Jerry Brown's 20 percent. Tsongas will go to the convention with 551 delegates, well behind Clinton's 2,511.

Thursday, Ted Van Dyk, a Washington consultant representing Tsongas' views before the platform writers, listed four key provisions Tsongas wanted in the document: A capital gains tax break broader than Clinton suggested, a child care credit more targeted to poorer families, a critical look at many federal benefit programs and a plank guaranteeing civil rights to all people regardless of sexual orientation.

Richardson saw few problems meeting those requests, and Van Dyk agreed. He seemed particularly pleased that the tax cut was gone.

"Things have changed since the campaign started," Van Dyk said

http://articles.courant.com/1992-06-19/news/0000200546_1_middle-class-tax-middle-income-tax-tax-cut-idea

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Posted in: Conservative lawmaker Bachmann to leave Congress See in context

The New Republic called it right: the guy is ridiculous.

The New Republic is nothing more than a biased liberal propaganda magazine that regurgitates the liberal line, Wiki calls them straight up:

The New Republic (TNR) is a liberal American magazine of commentary on politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic

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Posted in: Conservative lawmaker Bachmann to leave Congress See in context

But don't take my word for it.

I don't.

He claims to have campaigned for Kennedy, Humphrey, Tsongas, and George McGovern--but a Nexis search

Do a google news archive research and then you can stop wasting my time.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0hcfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=J5wEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7204,1953757&dq=van+dyk+hubert+humphrey&hl=en

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