Even so, I have still never heard of Nature.com, and all of the articles I listed are not only from well-known, reliable web sources, but also cite studies of their own. So perhaps you might check those out before insisting that the one clearly limited study you share of "4,182 incident cases of COVID-19" is a reliable enough indication of the overall long-hauler Covid rate.
Also, as someone dealing with long-Covid right now, I find it rather despicable that out of your own fear of this potentially being the reality (newsflash, it is and it's not fun), you're wasting your time trying to convince everyone else that it's not likely to happen and can't possibly be true.
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Can't seem to post the URLs directly, so just highlight the titles and click the "Search the Web" option to find the corresponding article. But honestly, Google is your friend here.
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Here are far more reliable resources on the one-third stat than you've provided:
A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms (webmd.com)
Almost a third of people with 'mild' Covid-19 still battle symptoms months later, study finds - CNN
Nearly One Third of Covid-19 Survivors Have Symptoms, Some Up To 9 Months Later, New Study Finds (forbes.com)
Studies show long-haul COVID-19 afflicts 1 in 4 COVID-19 patients, regardless of severity (ucdavis.edu)
The last website cites 1 in 4 survivors of COVID.
All of these are as recent as this year, and with a quick Google search of "one third of COVID-19 patients long hauler", you get the same stat. I have no idea what "nature.com" is or why you consider it a reliable source.
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Check out Long Covid. 1/3 of people who get COVID-19 end up with a long-hauler case.
Just because Japan wants to pretend like it's not a thing and this virus is "just a cold" doesn't mean that's the truth.
Some of us here are still "enjoying" the results of Long Covid, and even better...? If we try to get help at a hospital, we're told "it's all in your head". Amazing. They don't help you when you first get sick (starting with refusing to test you), and they don't do a damn thing when you're still suffering over a year later with chest pains, shortness of breath, coughing, fatigue, gastrointestinal distress, etc.
Like I said in a previous comment, it's amazing to me how they're willing to have an entire generation of young people with long-term illness for the sake an Olympics that will, if not be forgotten entirely in a few short years, turn into the disaster super-spreader it seems to be gearing up to be.
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Considering this virus causes often debilitating long-hauler symptoms in one-third of people who get COVID-19 (people of all ages), this incompetence means Japan is going to have a whole generation of people with long-term illness on their hands. Seeing how many younger people are presenting with this even with the ridiculously limited testing makes me incredibly sad. They deserved better.
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Yes, twice. And a friend tried calling for me once, as well.
Perhaps it is just the incompetence of my home country, but they insisted both times that there was nothing they could do. That was last year, so hopefully something has changed. But I wouldn't bet money on it. It's not like they would be able to enforce more testing here.
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"...It is very hard to get a test here..."
Yes, that is the problem, and why we'll never know the full extent of the situation in Japan so long as the testing measures remain as they are. They don't even test many people with severe symptoms. Even those who were in a confirmed cluster infection site before coming down with symptoms.
I'm part of a long-hauler community in Japan who can attest to that. We got to experience the true nature of test suppression, being told again and again and again, "Sorry, we're just not testing. You might have better luck in [insert distant place] here. Or if you have the money to get a private test done, perhaps that would be best."
Funny thing is, you've likely spent a huge chunk of your money already on the phone bill to their useless COVID-19 hotline, which tells you exactly what I've said above, no matter how bad your symptoms are.
I will never forget an older Japanese friend of mine calling the ambulance because I was so ill. Them just about carrying me through my own damned front door. That was my second time in the emergency room in two months - my fourteenth time in a hospital overall. The ER doctor's words, and I quote: "Wow, we can see you are very sick, but there's nothing we can do. We're not testing. Maybe you can come back during the week for regular tests?"
(Which I had already done thirteen times before over the course of the first month ill, at three different hospitals. Still in my twenties and formerly in perfectly good health.)
When you're stuck in your damned room hoping you'll wake up the next day, that you don't die in your sleep from the intense and endless fevers, the burning of your inner organs, the inability to breathe, and all the crazy neurological crap this thing gives you.........you feel nothing but rage when you see that over a year later, nothing has changed.
At the end of the day, it's this: "It is very hard to get a test here."
And that is why the test numbers we see are so low.
If they actually tested as most other countries are doing, we'd know the true extent of the spread here. I feel sad that all of us have fallen through the cracks and will likely never get to know the truth, nor be protected from this Hell virus because of such incompetence and "saving face".
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Just saw this! God, I'm sorry - that's so horrible. We have to believe the body gets better little by little, even if it takes time. I wish you all the best and hope you are able to keep safe and happy in the days ahead, even though it's such a difficult time. Be good to yourself!
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I don't see why that matters, though? I posted on Japan Times before they started removing the comments section. Eventually you get exhausted when you run into so many people who don't believe it's a problem or think Japan is doing a great job. You can only tell your story so many times. Plus, sometimes you have to step away just to focus on your health, because the lack of responsibility or care about the situation by many people does indeed get overwhelming. After saying my piece here tonight (which I only did because I do check the numbers each day and still see one too many naysayers in the comments section), I probably won't bother for a while again after.
Take it from someone who's been through it - the visit to the bar or a restaurant with friends, or Go To Travel discounts.....it's just not worth the health risks. Someone in their twenties now living like a sick, elderly person even over a year later...I have so many regrets. I didn't know the shop in my town was a cluster infection site. Otherwise I would never have gone. I still don't understand why they dared to announce it was a cluster infection zone but refused to test so many of us who were there and got sick. I can't understand it for the life of me. And it is such an insult that they claim their cluster-tracing method was such a success when they didn't even bother testing or supporting people who got sick after being in the cluster.
I see, thank you for the clarification. Cheers!
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Thank you, that means a lot. I'm so sorry for your friends. I can attest to the endless shortness of breath even when just making a few steps. That and the neurological symptoms (such as the brain fog) are truly insane. I never imagined a virus like this could be possible. It's like there is no part of the body it does not adversely affect, often in horrendous ways...It truly is ten times worse than any flu. Please take good care of yourself, too!
Yes, the empty promises are ridiculous. But even more ridiculous is that no one calls her or the others out for lying again and again. I really wish this was international news so that perhaps there would be enough pressure on us to finally start testing properly. I thought that the insistence on the Olympics would mean we have to test, or no one would want to show up.....But alas, we get to slide by pretending like we've magically defeated the virus by our superior "maindo". Who knows? Maybe Koike will magically stand by her word this time. Take good care!
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They're only selectively testing people with bad symptoms, though. There are many out there with bad symptoms being refused a test no matter where they go, even when they have been to a confirmed cluster infection site before coming down ill. The reality is that test suppression is a real thing here that even fellow Japanese are complaining about.
It doesn't help to panic, but it does help not to be a selfish tosser who thinks he or she is above COVID-19 either. I'm afraid for other young people here because they have been told again and again that it can't affect them, and that's simply not true. Not to mention, young people presenting with severe symptoms are the most likely to be turned away from testing or treatment. I had to go to over four different hospitals over thirteen times before I was taken seriously, and I still was not tested or treated. Even having been in a confirmed cluster infection site before coming down with all the symptoms of COVID-19 at severe levels. I thought that was it - just left to die just like that.
I know a number of others who ended up in the same situation as me. We ended up finding each other specifically because of our situations here. It's damned sad that so few know how hard it is to genuinely get tested and helped here during this time. And all because of the Olympics and saving face. When we see these reports of daily numbers, we now automatically assume it's at least 10 times more than what they're saying. 339? Sure. Out of a ridiculous 4,405 tests. If they tested properly, we'd know the true spread.
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I don't understand the people on here who repeatedly talk about how Japan is in a good situation. It's not even really about the number of deaths, though I doubt we can know for sure what the COVID-19 death count here is when likely many get labeled as anything other than COVID-19 or COVID-19-caused complications.
The reality is that this virus causes long-lasting damage in people of all ages, including those in formerly good health. I'm proof of that. I was a healthy, fit, "young person" before it hit. I'm still facing symptoms and physical damage even over a year later and have come to accept my new "norm". How are so many people taking it this lightly? It's amazing and also pisses me off. What I would give to trade my now horrible health with the ignorance and blind optimism of any one of these foolish naysayers.
Meanwhile cities with four times less the population of Tokyo are doing 40,000 tests a day, while Tokyo barely manages to pass 5,000 tests a day, let alone 10,000 or more...How on Earth are we getting away with this charade? It's a shame the rest of the world doesn't know what's going on here. Otherwise I think the Olympics would be a no-go for most.
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