In South Korea, the Blue House issued an official statement criticizing Japan for lying about the circumstances that led to the CONDITIONAL extension (as in depending on how Japan behaves) of GSOMIA.
In Japan, after a spate of vaguely worded stories quoting the usual "anonymous sources", overnight the subject of GSOMIA virtually disappeared off the headlines.
It's obvious who's got stuff to hide.
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They will be asking foreign countries to buy food from Fukushima next.
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> Joe BlowToday 09:43 am JST
I agree with banning right wingers waving that flag in a politically motivated way.
No, even that should not be banned.
But I guess only one country on Earth has protected free speech.
And it sure ain't Japan^^
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commanteerSep. 11 09:40 pm JST
It seems as though some in Korea are determined to make the US and other Western nations choose between Korea and Japan. If it comes to that, I am afraid Korea will be quite shocked at the result.
Oh, I don't know... the way things are going lately, I'd say it's more likely that Japan is in for a shock. See, it isn't for nothing that Japan is known as the "Galapagos Islands" of Asia (outside of Japan of course^^).
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"Partial victory" = Japanese for the WTO sided with South Korea. Again^^
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Ganbare Japan!Sep. 11 08:21 am JST
South Koreas tit-for-tat trade "retaliation" on Japan, by putting huge import tax on Japanese goods, has failed badly!!
Excellent decision, thanks WTO, THANK-YOU!
^^SK is not compelled to repeal the taxes, and so there will be no repeal. Excellent decision, thanks WTO, THANK YOU!
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HeckleberrySep. 11 01:40 pm JST
The WTO threw out 12 of 13 claims made by Japan.
@Samit - Not that I care too much about the valve export issue ( I've never heard about it until today), but if what you're saying is true - then LOL at the headline.
Yup, the SK government has already announced it does not intend to drop the taxes! :)
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More and more, Mr. Abe and his cohorts are acting like the daimyos of medieval Japan -- "Let the unwashed masses pay their (raised)taxes, keep their traps shut, and leave important matters to their betters; and just bear with the consequences".
Surely they are not ignorant of the fact that their irresponsible actions, driven by an irrational attachment to recovering the "glories" of of the past, are making their people suffer, force their country's Korea-suppliers to lose revenue, close down or relocate to Korea and China? And don't even start with the unbelievable insistence on feeding Olympic athletes with food from Fukushima; clearly he does not care how all this makes Japan look.
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Turns out, SK has stopped more than a hundred suspected NK-bound exports of sensitive materials over the last 20 years,
Ah, I see you neglected to mention the one hundred and fifty six exports to NK that South Korea admitted that they didn't stop.
Suspected leaks are not the same as proven leaks. Japan has still not provided any definitive evidence, but continues to throw out accusations. Meanwhile how many such leaks were stopped by the Japanese government? Are the numbers even known? (as if there were any point in asking)
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Why does Japan accuse SK of exporting sensitive material to NK without showing any proof? And all the while having committed that very offense itself? Please, I want a straight answer to this question. No excuses.
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showchinmonoToday 01:29 am JST
This is how a mature, civilized government acts.
*Bu ha ha I see nothing but national hysteria. They kept throwing a tantrum as Japan should have apologized and now added new flavor "Japan didn't say thank you. It hurt our national pride!"You can't take them serious no more. They are bunch of comedians.*
Maybe SK should have emulated Japan's own behavior toward Korea, then? Like when the J government accepted nearly 60 billion won in aid from South Korea's Red Cross after the 2011 earthquake, then removed SK from the roll of aid-giving countries from the official report. Very mature and not at all childish and vindictive, that.
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jj1067Today 01:06 am JST
*“And GSOMIA has not been "canceled", either. In fact, despite the acrimony from Japan, SK is continuing to provide military intelligence to Japan, until it officially lapses on November 23. This is how a mature, civilized government acts. Japologists, know your facts before willy-nilly insulting Korea.”*
Japan had been keep requesting SK to submit end user report of the products that could be used to develop WMD for 3 years. Sent warnings and informed deadline date this month. SK ignored all of it. Now which government is mature and civilized?
Turns out, SK has stopped more than a hundred suspected NK-bound exports of sensitive materials over the last 20 years, while during the same period Japanese exporters are known to have actually sent such material to NK on more than 30 occasions. Care to ask that question again?
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Wait... SK cancelled the GSOMIA as a retaliation for Japan removing them from the whitelist right? When the GSOMIA was cancelled... SK hadn't actually been removed from the whitelist yet. Based on that, Japan has no option. SK has to come off the list.
And GSOMIA has not been "canceled", either. In fact, despite the acrimony from Japan, SK is continuing to provide military intelligence to Japan, until it officially lapses on November 23. This is how a mature, civilized government acts. Japologists, know your facts before willy-nilly insulting Korea.
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So, Japan drops South Korea from the White List, presumably because SK is not so trustworthy, yet demands SK continue GSOMIA with Japan, presumably because their intelligence is trustworthy. Does the term "two-faced" come to mind? Yes, it does. Honne and tatemae at work.
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Freer trade between deveoped[sic] democracies sounds good!
Only one of these two partners is a "developed democracy".
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"Bad water" is putting it mildly. Some people were commenting it actually smelled like a toilet...
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Yeah, kicking the Japanese flag could be seen as over the line by some people. That Korean boy should have just done what Japanese protesters do to Korean flags --drawing cockroaches on it and walking all over it.
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The J government can insist all it wants that this economic Pearl Harbor has nothing at all to do with retaliating, but of course nobody outside of Japan believes that - except perhaps for the "rabid pro-Japan crowd". In fact, I doubt many Japanese believe it, either. Mr. Abe and his cronies have done serious and permanent damage to Japan's image on the international stage.
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With this move, Japan has not just shot itself in the foot -- Japan has dug its own grave and is about to jump in, thanks to Mr. Abe. The Japanese like to claim that Koreans are far too emotional in everything; in the end this idiotic trade war is going to prove that all along, it was Japan's leaders and their slavish followers that were led by their emotions, not Korea. They have no idea how the world has changed around them.
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Mr. Abe trying desperately to appeal to his remaining support base, by making-believe Japan still controls Korea. Wake up, Shinzo, you're decades out of date.
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I’m sure many on both sides have said the same for Takeshima.
Nope, only on Japan's side. Korea has no need to "reclaim" Dokdo/Takeshima :)
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Samit Basu, so far yours is about the only reasonable conclusion here. The following is an excerpt from an article in SK's JoongAng Daily, pointing out Japanese hypocrisy - Res Ipsa Loquitur:
"Tokyo’s forceful protests against Seoul over the incident are in stark contrast to its subdued reaction towards Beijing in a similar incident.
In February 2013, a Chinese vessel aimed its fire control radar [although of course SK denies its own weapons system was turned on] at a Japanese ship near a disputed set of islets on the East China Sea. Abe reportedly told then-Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera to respond calmly and “not meet provocation with provocation,” according to the Kyodo news agency.
Analysts say Tokyo’s condemnations reflect its growing discontent of Seoul over a variety of issues afflicting the two countries’ relationships. Korea recently decided to shut down a Japanese-funded foundation for the victims of Japan’s wartime sex slavery, and a recent ruling by the Supreme Court of South Korea ordered Japanese companies to compensate Korean victims of forced labor during colonial rule.
Before departing on a trip abroad on Sunday, Japanese Foreign Minister Kono Taro told local reporters that he would demand that Seoul take appropriate measures over the radar issue and a visit to the Dokdo islets by a Korean lawmaker “amid a series of difficult issues.”
Observers in South Korea say repeated Seoul-bashing from Tokyo may be aimed to rally the Japanese public to the Abe administration’s side as its support dips due to unpopular labor policies."
Mr. Abe and his cohorts just got their own Divine Wind, it seems.
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OssanAmerica: "Apologies are meaningless if they are not accepted. Those not willing to accept them shouldn't be demanding them" -- You fail to understand what apology is. An offender who is truly repentant apologizes until the victim says "Enough, thank you". A perp who mouths the words of an apology but when the victim does not find it sufficient, pouts and acts the victim, was never really apologetic in the first place. Clearly, as has been so abundantly demonstrated by sorry corporate executives in recent years, in Japan a ritual show of "regret" is the same as the real thing, and expected to be responded to just as ritually.
Geeliez: "Very classy by Abe for being so selfless and mindful of Japan's immature neighbours" -- Thanks for the first really funny joke in days.
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Good lord, you'd think the Japanese invented cleanliness. Japan is the only country where people... you know the rest. It's just this kind of false pride and arrogance that led to the idiotic episode of the trash-ridden post-Halloween Shibuya being photoshopped to look like a different country altogether. Photos: http://www.kjclub.com/kr/board/exc_board_9/view/id/2497191
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"The fact that Japan was excluded by these talks, it's only a sign that they are more a facade than something concrete" -- [sarcasm]Yeah, without Japan, the most important entity in the Solar System, it can't possibly be genuine or relevant. [/sarcasm]
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Sigh... Japan, just man up, suck it in and accept reality. You lost Dokdo, and you lost this PR war. At least try not to make yourself look unnecessarily ridiculous by acting petty and childish -- yet again.
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Smithinjapan is absolutely on the mark. Abe & Co. are transparently trying to piggyback on the proposed US-NK summit so as not to be left out in the cold. Plus Mr. Abe badly needs a distraction from the Moritomo scandal. Plus it reinforces the traditional Japanese view of themselves as victims. Plus it's all good for him if somehow the abduction issue muddies the waters and the main parties leave the talks dissatisfied. It's as cynical as it is hypocritical.
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Japan held back not to start a new war. Nevertheless the claim persists. If they don't renew this claim regularly, they could lose it... To my knowledge, Japan agreed on respecting an ICJ rule, so it's up to South Korea to finally finish this blame game: Accept Japan's offer to settle this by the ICJ. But do you want to?
But Japan already doesn't have it! w And bringing up the ICJ is just more transparently hypocritical silliness, since Japan refuses to refer the matter of the Diaoyu Islands to that vaunted body.
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"Japan has asked South Korea THREE times to settle this dispute at the ICJ. All three times South Korea has refused. So just exactly what part of "international law" are they citing that supports their position?"
This might not sound so hypocritical and self-serving if Japan were to volunteer to take the matter of the Senkakus and the Kuriles to the ICJ. But don't hold your breath, www
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