SuperLib comments

TheFu: S.744 includes amnesty for illegal immigrants in Sec. 2101. Non-starter

Alrighty, then. Status quo it is.

Bass: But there was never support for a wall

That is meaningless. It doesn’t preclude it. Sign the bill then go for the wall anyway.

back then the GOP wanted an end to chain migration

The bill severely limits chain migration. For example, Meliana wouldn’t have gotten her parents in under this law.

the sealing of our borders and the Democrats wouldn’t go for it.

The bill calls for an increase in funding for border security, including money for more walls. It also says the border will not be considered sealed unless the GOP signs off on it, and most of the provisions are blocked until that time. They had 100% of the power.

Nice try though.

I wasn’t trying anything. You wrote, “both side should’ve come together to fix it” and I gave you examples of both sides doing that.

I think you might have meant to say, “Everyone should come together and agree to the positions of the minority, fringe GOP members.”

bass: And the Dems Strike it down every time

I said that gun supporting politicians should have created a mental health plan by now. If they have, and they've put it to vote, and Democrats voted against it, I'd like to see more information if you have it.

The funny part is that Trump had his fans absolutely convinced he was going to walk into an interview with Mueller and talk circles around him. It's was just so painfully obvious that Trump would never meet him. Trump's people distributed the "perjury trap" talking point and Trump's fans spread it on message boards, but these are the same people who were sure that Trump would walk right in there and talk in the first place.

Trump last summer denied knowing about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians, who had promised damaging information about Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

It's not just the fact that they all lied about the meeting, they seem genuinely offended that anyone would be concerned about their lying, like this is all some kind of pain in the rear for them and they're tired of talking about it. "So we lied several times and met them, so what, nothing happened, let's just drop it."

I don't think this will produce much. Republicans won't care that Ivanka did it and they'll never stop talking about Hillary doing it because that's just the way they are. Sure, exposing the hypocrisy is always fun, but I get the feeling there are bigger things to go after.

bass: for years our system has been broken in both side should’ve come together to fix it

There have been bipartisan bills that have been killed by the far right of the GOP. Here's the one the Senate passed in 2013 that the GOP blocked in the House: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/744. They refused to vote on it because it would have passed.

stop chain migration and visa lottery

Chain migration was to be drastically reduced to just your kids and spouse (no more parents like Melania's), and it was done via a point based merit system. The visa lottery was to be stopped entirely.

I think you'll find quite a few things are included that you'll like, even ones you didn't know about.

My guess is the reasoning behind it is that if you're fleeing for your life you don't always have the luxury of picking and choosing where you cross to get into the US. And if it is determined that you are in legitimate danger, the government doesn't want to send you back knowing you could be harmed.

That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it. I'd probably support some tightening to it, for example having to declare immediately when entering.

Well someone just got a license to kill.

You'd think gun supporting politicians would have created a mental health action plan by now.

But my guess is there is nothing at all.

Ivanka, Jeb Bush, Colin Powell, Scott Walker, lots of Republicans have used personal email. It's only an issue if the name is Hillary.

Who sticks it to the military better....radical liberal protesters in Portland or Donald Trump?

Trump should do everything in his power to get Acosta out of there. Acosta asks questions that makes Trump feel uncomfortable.

Trump should use whatever legal maneuvers possible to create a safe space.

bass: I understand, but wearing the uniform doesn’t give you the right to insult anyone you see fit to just like being President doesn’t shield you from insults and condemnation.

Of course not. No one is saying that it does.

But if I were the president of a company, and someone criticized my management, I wouldn't demean their military service as a way to get back at them. That's where you and I separate.

bass: They insulted him as well

Lots of people say insulting things. The difference is that if I see someone in uniform I don't respond by demeaning their military service. You and Trump do.

As commander of the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command in 2011, he oversaw the raid that killed bin Laden in Pakistan.

Seems like a good guy to have on our team.

Trump sure does like to go after people's military record, ne? You have McCain and Khan and now McRaven. If you criticize him it appears to be his go-to, even if the military isn't part of the conversation. He responds like a petty loser.

"Hillary Clinton backer and an Obama backer."

He knows his base. He's hoping to get them to hate a military hero.

Gotta protect the brave, strong leader.

Ah, so the good people of Orange County have expressed their support for open borders and the lawless entry of illegals.

Is it true that all all parts of Orange County now have blue House reps?

Bass:.  it seems to be that Scott got about an extra 800 more votes, so in a way, the recount helped him out.

I think you mean "found." As in, "More votes for Scott were "mysteriouly found.". With quotes.

Right? I mean that was the narrative when Democratic votes increased.

So I guess that voter fraud stuff was just made up and everyone will just move on with our lives like nothing happened.

I imagine Trump opening up a big bucket of "the best people" and shoveling up another half dozen.

Arrestpaul:: Obama was made aware that Russians were attempting to meddle with U.S. elections. Obama chose to do nothing about it.

More fake news being distributed by conservatives.

The bubble prints stories about this and intentionally leaves out the fact that McConnell told Obama if he releases any information about the Russians he would tell his obedient base that Obama was playing politics close to an election.

Obama brought this up directly to Putin in addition to working with our intelligence community to work to contain the threat that was just being discovered.

Your boy Trump got up on stage right next to Putin and told the world he wasn’t convinced Putin had done anything, throwing our intelligence agencies under the bus all because his ego won’t let him say he won with help.

It’s that utter disconnect again. A Trump fan actually thinks he can ignore Trump and point to Obama’s response to Russian meddling when the Trump fan sat there and watched Trump’s wet noodle performance with Putin.

Psychology is amazing, isn’t it?

He’s trying to figure out what he can away with.

bass: No, but you had 2 main....reporters from msnbc openly supporting and visiting the WH

So it's settled. If any right-wing journlists visited Trump in the White House then you're on board with left-wing journalists joining our politicians on stage and talking down to right-wingers and their media.

Wolfpack: make it defensible for a future Democrat president to be disrespected by a Right wing media personality.

I can only assume you were in a coma when Fox News regularly ran stories about Obama being a Muslim foreigner, or how every decision was due to his "ego." But hey, Acosta was rude at a press conference so that evens things out, I suppose.

If he blames the CIA for incompetence, then it's a reflection back on his own direction

He appointed Sessions and Rosenstein and kept on Comey. Trump has no problem throwing his own people under the bus for person gain. A single Tweet from Trump calling out the head of the CIA would result in millions of Trump fans instantly hating the CIA and calling for his dismissal.

No questions asked.

The deficit is fueled by American companies moving to China to save on labor, then importing their items back into the US.

We just gave those companies a permanent, massive tax cut. I don't think they are worried.

But once he’s pardoned (if it ever gets to that) then what? What will the Dems and libs do at that point?

Put it on every campaign poster for every Republican in 2020. And again in 2024, 2028, and probably 2032.

What I'd like to see is Trump standing in front of the cameras, surrounded by the convicted felons on his team that he's pardoned, with a big grin, and you in the front row cheering about how this makes America great. I want that to be the new symbol of the Republican party for a generation.

You're whining about Acosta acting like Trump. So, I ask again: What are you bitching about?

I've asked this before. The answer I got from Trump fans was that "it's just different when Trump does it." For example when he demeans a reporter (not named Acosta) and calls her stupid it's OK because Trump is fighting for working class people when he calls her stupid.

Or something like that. I couldn't really follow all of bass' answer. The point was that Trump's rude and vulgar behavior was completely different than a regular person's rude and vulgar behavior.

Time for Trump and his fans to throw the CIA under the bus again.