SuperLib comments

Superlib. Except that's the exact opposite of what he did, which is why he was held in contempt by the judge for not following the law by unjustifiably incarcerating Latinos.

bass: Another weak argument, so basically, you’re for breaking the law and you think we shouldn’t have borders and just allow everyone to come in? Even Mexico is not THAT stupid.

Reality isn't a "weak argument." That's what happened. A judge ordered him to stop profiling and randomly pulling over Latonis because of their skin color and Arpaio told his officers to keep doing it anyway. So he was found in contempt and was going to face jail time.

 superlib: Is that why dozens of GOP laws have been thrown out of court with some judges specifically referencing the racist intent? Must be 

bass: Racist?

Yes, racist. Many judges have thrown out the cases due to the obvious intent of disenfranchising minority voters. Your ID laws are one thing, but the smaller laws they pass out of the spotlight, like making it harder to register, is an obvious attempt to reduce the number of people who vote. The GOP loses in court all the time.

Sounds like three weirdo groups got into it, and probably all got what they wanted.

Why would they ask that question? The purpose it to count the number of bodies in the country.

Things that are still true today:

Trump went on national TV and claimed ownership for the shutdown.

He refuses to let the workers get paid because it's his leverage to extract concessions.

Wolfpack: But when it comes to race relations he is much better than any Dem - hands down.

Of course. I mean he only said that a Latino judge wasn't qualified to judge him since he's white. And he pardoned Arpaio, a man guilt of stripping Constitutional rights from Latinos. Much improved over any Dem.

He lied when he said he saw tens of thousands of Muslims cheering during 9/11 to make them look bad. He routinely tries to scare his base by saying Muslims are coming to the US via the southern border, which is a lie. He retweets disinformation and lies from others. Solid on that front.

He's said nothing about the black community other than 1) they live in filth and 2) their unemployment is low under him. And let's not forget his history is discrimination in housing and his actions for the Central Park 5, now conveniently ignored with the MAGA hat kid that he's defending.

All of that must be very natural in your circle if it doesn't register on your radar.

This election is about culture vs. Constitution. If you're on the culture side, you don't mind Latinos being pulled over for being dark skinned for a citizenship test. You want that. If you're on the Constitution side you want to protect the rights of every American.

The culture side supports things like Steve King, tiki torches, white "culture" rallies, a shutdown on Muslims, a shutdown on refugees, and lots of walls. You don't want things to change and you feel anxiety of losing position or status in the country.

They hold votes to remove a Muslim county official like they did in Texas (Shahid Shafi), trying to out him because it's just too unthinkable that a Muslim could be a real American legislator. The Constitution crowd supports things like banning religious tests from office.

The culture crowd supports refusing service to gay people. The Constitution crowd supports treating everyone equally under the law.

The culture crowd supports voter suppression laws engineered to make it more difficult for minorities to vote. The Constitution crown wants the greatest number of people to participate in our democracy regardless of skin color.

That's really what it's about. Bass supports discrimination against blacks as logical. Blacklabel still says he doubts Obama was really born in America. Texas coming right out of the gate with anchor babies, and you drop the ridiculous claim that Trump is better for race relations than Democrats.

It's all about culture and loyalty. You supported rights under the Constitution until it comes up against your view of culture, or how America should be, then you wipe your rear with it.

It's probably tough defending a habitual liar.

"It looks like they're playing a game. They're still going to have all this operational capability," even if they destroy their disclosed nuclear facilities.,"

I guess harsh Tweets weren't as effective as Trump fans thought.

Bass:. So why do Democrats have a problem with honesty?

Your boy Trump backed out of the deal and went on national TV and said he will own the shutdown.

That happened. It was a real thing.

So much intellectual dishonesty on their side.

I think what Trump fans have two basic positions in this debate: Trump never went on national TV and claimed ownership and Trump didn't back out of the original agreement to make additional demands.

So when you debate a Trump fan, remember that those two events have been scrubbed out of their history.

One big reason to kiss Putin’s butt.....money.

I can't imagine this fake counter will do much to move the needle. An overwhelming number of Americans will still blame him and the GOP for the shutdown.

Trump was the one who put the DACAs in limbo to begin with, and his offer is to get us back to where we were, temporarily, for 3 years?

Nah. No wall for you.

It’s nice to see Trump crack and start offering concessions. Pelosi is working him over.

black: I say the testimony of a convicted liar gets thrown out. All of it.

LOL sure....let's throw out the testimony from Paige, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Don Jr., and Trump himself? "Your Honor, seeing as everyone in the Trump circle, including Trump himself, are proven liars, we can't use any of the evidence from any of them and all of them should go free."

Wow, they said Muellers denial aims to make clear that none of the story is accurate.

Nice of Mueller to do that, huh? He has such a busy schedule of forcing Trump's people to make up stories all day yet he cleared some time to correct an inaccurate story about Trump. Seems for you that that would be completely out of character for him, right?

blacklabel: SO to the actual topic you are trying to distract from....Has buzzfeed retracted their article?

No distraction. I clearly made my thoughts known in my first post. You are free to comment on that if you'd like.

After I did that, I took exception to your post. Things like this come down to credibility, and you don't have the standing to criticize others. You've come here and spread stories you know have been retracted. I'm not going to consider your judgement of others on this issue worth much of anything.

The other point was about consequences. BuzzFeed is going to pay a hefty price for their mistake depending on the severity of it. Trump will pay no price at all. In fact, it's so common with the guy that it will probably slip under the radar that he spread an unverified story to provoke fear of Muslims. Just another day.

blacklabel: Bwaaaaaahahahaha let it go. Not a “mistake” just more intentional fake news.

Was the Seth Rich retraction a mistake or fake news? And surely by now you no longer believe that story...right?

In the other thread when the story first came out I said, "Let's see the evidence." When you rush to believe something and use it to criticize the other side you do damage to yourself by not being more thorough. Stories that get this big will usually end up being mostly confirmed or discredited in a short amount of time so you have to be patient.

If it turns out that their story is completely false then BuzzFeed is going to take a massive hit to their credibility, one that might take years to recover from. There will be consequences for their mistake, and there will be damage to our side.

In other news today, Trump tweeted about a story from the Washington Examiner about Muslim prayer rugs being found on the southern border. The source? A single, anonymous rancher who said she hadn't actually seen any Muslims and didn't have any evidence of the rugs. That gets reported, then retweeted to the world by Trump.

Consequences? Nope.

The heart of the issue is money. Laws like this impact people who don't have it. If you have money, you do what every self-respecting anti-abortion Republican does when his mistress gets pregnant...you fly her to Canada for an abortion. That's what I'd do, so it doesn't impact me if abortion is illegal.

Laws like this are usually put in place by people who won't be burdened by the law.

Just more big government invading people's lives.

Nah, if Trump walks we can just make up conspiracy theories about the FBI.

Let's see the evidence.

Trump will accomplish nothing.

But every U.S. president since Bill Clinton has suspended the key clause, known as Title III, because of its potential to alienate U.S. allies

Trump never passes up on an opportunity to alienate our allies, so my guess is he won't be able to resist.

bass: liar, therefore compromising himself as a credible witnesss

Ah, so if a person lies, he compromises his credibility? Manafort lied a lot and you don't seem bothered by it.

bass: Trump was never a fan of Europe and doesn’t feel the need or even the urgency to speak at Davos.

Superlib: Ah, so the reason he gave blaming Pelosi for the delegation not attending was really a cover for Trump not wanting to be there.

Bass: How would you know what’d in his heart or head?

Good point. I guess I can’t say he doesn’t like Europe and doesn’t want to be there since I don’t know what’s in his head.

Superlib: Why doesn't Trump just say he doesn't want to be there? And what benefit does he get by linking a false narrative about Pelosi and the wall?

Bass: Not sure.

Yeah, I guess it’s confusing for both of us. Maybe there is some benefit you are missing.

Superlib: I understand. You know that the Democrats want her to cave and accept Trump's terms. So not only is she against Trump, she's against her own people. No law against saying that.

Bass: If the tactic can work for one party.....

Then it works for the other? Trump’s people want him to cave?

bass: Its not that difficult, Trump was never a fan of Europe and doesn’t feel the need or even the urgency to speak at Davos. None.

Ah, so the reason he gave blaming Pelosi for the delegation not attending was really a cover for Trump not wanting to be there. Why doesn't Trump just say he doesn't want to be there? And what benefit does he get by linking a false narrative about Pelosi and the wall?

bass: In some wanting to make a deal, she won’t allow that to happen....too bad.

I understand. You know that the Democrats want her to cave and accept Trump's terms. So not only is she against Trump, she's against her own people.

No law against saying that.

superlib: Are you concerned that he chooses a group close to you for his next bombing run?

bass: Nope.

That's good for Trump. It gives him more latitude for collateral damage.

Superlib: I don't see the link between hurting America's global economic interests and getting Pelosi and Schumer to agree to Trump's new demands.

Bass: You don’t see the link of hurting America’s National Security along the Southern border

What I said was I don’t see a link with Trump denying himself a voice in Davos with Pelosi signing off on a wall. Can you explain the benefit to me? Feel free to add in any side points after.

Bass: And likewise the Democrats are starting to get more pressure from the constituents to do something

I have my ear pretty close to the ground when it comes what Democrats are thinking as I’m a Democrat. You are saying that Democrats are pressuring Pelosi to give Trump his wall? No law against saying that.

Superlib: Who do you think he will go after next? And will you support him if he intentionally creates more damage?

Yup.

Are you concerned that he chooses a group close to you for his next bombing run?

Superlib: Makes no sense. I mean I get the snub of Pelosi because that's just Trump's pettiness, but The Davos delegation was Trump's people, Mnuchin, Pompeo, and Ross. Now we won't have a voice there.

bass: And?

I don't see the link between hurting America's global economic interests and getting Pelosi and Schumer to agree to Trump's new demands.

Pelosi refuses to pay a cent for the wall, the President should equally keep his knee on the Democrats necks.

Trump is getting blamed by a wide margin. And he went on national TV and took credit for the shutdown. If you want to tell me that that's a position of strength, I can't stop you. It's a free country.

superlib: Before the shutdown I said I was worried that Trump would go scorched earth so bad that the Democrats have to cave just to stop innocent people from being seriously damaged. I really hope this isn't the first step in that direction because sooner or later he's going to start targeting groups of Americans.

bass: Probably. 

Who do you think he will go after next? And will you support him if he intentionally creates more damage?

bass: Not country, bringing in Pelosi and Chuck for talks

Makes no sense. I mean I get the snub of Pelosi because that's just Trump's pettiness, but The Davos delegation was Trump's people, Mnuchin, Pompeo, and Ross. Now we won't have a voice there. I don't see the link between hurting America's global economic interests and getting Pelosi and Schumer to agree to Trump's new demands. Can you explain that to me?

The only thing I can think of is that Trump wants to create damage for the purpose of releasing statements that blame Pelosi for it. So maybe tomorrow he cancels a meeting on global health all so he can say, "Sorry, can't make it because of Pelosi."

I also don't see how this is a winning strategy for Trump. He's getting blamed, along with the GOP, nearly 2 to 1 compared to Democrats. Will actions such as this get people to stop blaming Trump and start blaming Democrats? I just don't see that happening.

Before the shutdown I said I was worried that Trump would go scorched earth so bad that the Democrats have to cave just to stop innocent people from being seriously damaged. I really hope this isn't the first step in that direction because sooner or later he's going to start targeting groups of Americans.