Alas, the vaccinated can still catch and spread Covid, which is why many argue they shouldn't be allowed to roam loose and infect others.
Yeah, no one ever said that. Not anyone in any position of power at least. It should have been pretty obvious from the start that asymptomatic spread is/was possible with the vaccine.
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It is very interesting to me that you say this:
There were more leftwing people there, what a joke
Right after saying this:
What I find interesting is that the English media regularly mention the 'far right' attend without any evidence
Where's your evidence that more leftwing people actually attended?
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no, you missed the explanation
No. You didn't scroll down far enough. Please keep scrolling.
This is a list of the U.S. states and the District of Columbia. The population data is the official data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The murder rates and gun murder rates were calculated based on the FBI reports. The official population of each state for 2010 and gun ownership rates were added for context.
The gun murders in 2010 from FBI Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program was 8,775. The total number of murders from all weapons was 12,996. These figures includes murders and willful manslaughters, but excludes "deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident" and justifiable homicides. The U.S. reports a 70% conviction rate for murder prosecutions.
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It’s disingenuous to suggest that Alaska is the #1 location for concern related to murders where a gun was used
Lmao it isn't disingenuous to put things in perspective.
If there are only 50 homicides in Chicago, most people would say that is quite good, considering Chicago's population size.
If The same 50 people are murdered in a town of 1,000. That is a much worse, much higher crime rate, isn't it? Not accounting for population differences would completely skew results.
For the record, you wikipedia actually has a breakdown of gun homicides per capita, per state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state
As one can see, with the exception of Washington DC all of the states in the top 10 are red states, with lax gun control.
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there was an obvious, misleading reason for picking "per capita" instead of total
Yeah. Because it would be stupid to talk in totals. Without taking differences into account, it would be difficult to know whether a number is high or low. Good grief.
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They don't want to pass legislation that targets lawful gun owners as opposed to criminals.
lol I see this line a lot and it sounds nice; Let's target the criminals and let alone law-abiding gun owners. The only problem is, how do you tell the difference?
By all accounts, there was no effect on gun crime. You could even say it increased.
1) A pike in gun crime doesn't mean gun control doesn't work.
2) There could be other reasons, unrelated to gun control that caused the spike in gun crimes.
3)Gun deaths per capita in NZ are still half what they are in the US.
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Americans, we do care. We want the guns out of the hands of criminals.
lol No you don't. No meaningful legislation has been passed. Republicans don't want to pass any sort of gun control.
which Dems won’t do. Because they don’t want to be seen as cracking down on certain races in inner cities where they get those sweet, sweet election changing votes.
lololol Won't do what? What is your solution here, that you think Democrats are scared to do?
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Doesn’t matter, one death is too many and when you put forth that kind of analogy it sounds like one person’s life who was killed by a knife is worth less than 20 people being killed by a lunatic. It’s all bad, all of it.
lol not to anyone fluent in the English language it doesn't. Guns make it easier to kill people, so you have more violence in the US. If one death was really "too many," Americans would do something about it. But Americans don't care, so they do nothing.
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How many people in Japan live without cars?
We're not talking about Japan. We're talking about the United States, where hundreds of millions of people need cars to work each and everyday.
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Regardless, guns vastly outnumber automobiles, but more deaths are caused by automobiles.
Yeah, because people need cars to live. Society would not function without cars. Hundreds of millions of Americans use cars everyday. Not the same with guns.
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No, it's not.
Yes. It is misinformation. The vaccine works remarkably well.
But you have no facts. Just, "I disagree." Great argument.
According to whom?
The numbers the CDC and other authorities report.
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According to whom? Because you say so
According to the FDA. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/understanding-regulatory-terminology-potential-preventions-and-treatments-covid-19
If that doesn't suffice, simply look at the fact that 99% of all deaths in the US are the unvaccinated.
Then, look at the number of deaths reported to VAERS and compare that to the number of Covid-19 deaths.
This isn't rocket science, anti-vaxxers are just idiots.
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Aren’t there 10,000 reported deaths with and/or from vaccine? Nah that’s not dangerous?
No. Not 10,000. The number is less than that. Also, you're suggesting a causal relationship, and the reporting system makes it clear: These are deaths reported after getting vaccinated, not necessarily because of the vaccination.
Even if it were true, which is more dangerous? Getting the vaccine or getting Covid-19. This point is yet more anti-vax misinformation.
why is it still “unapproved” then? Tested, but not done?
Because we're still in the middle of a pandemic, duh.
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Wow, that detailed analysis really eliminates the need for any further investigation or any more conversation at all about the entire incident of a policeman being murdered
Oh, so know you're pining for a detailed investigation? Well if you think one attacker warrants a detailed investigation, surely you'd think thousands of terrorists assailing the capital deserve an investigation. No?
guess we don’t need a 1/6 commission either.
Ah, of course you don't.
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Yes, the factual and true half.
It's also true that it's been tested. It's untrue that it is dangerous, but please keep peddling that myth.
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remember that one?
Yeah, that was one idiot. On January 6th, you had thousands of idiots descend upon and break into the capital.
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It’s not “misinformation”.
It absolutely is. On a daily basis the anti-vaxxers on this site claim the vaccine hasn't been approved, which is only half the story. The folks posting this trash want to make people believe that the vaccine somehow hasn't been tested or is otherwise unsafe, which is just garbage. Deadly garbage that's is, and will continue to see people killed.
it’s people exercising their choice to not take an unapproved vaccine.
Yeah, after being misinformed by the likes of Foxnews etc. You know, misinformation.
Plus we now see too many vaccinated people publicly identified as getting corona even after vaccinated.
Too many? lmao Far fewer than the number of unvaccinated who are getting Covid-19 now, innit? This is hardly news. This was said from the outset. Now, how many of the vaccinated are dying after getting Covid-19? Not many. Because it works.
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Another crook in Trump's orbit? I'm shocked. Working for another country, no less. Whatever happened to "MAGA?"
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yet you mock "mental illness" as a reason for shootings, while accepting it as the reason people can do drugs. they are just mentally ill, they need help for their "addiction".
I don't "mock" mental illness.
Lets all become Portugal because of their awesome drug policy! (said no one ever).
I'm not suggesting we "become" Portugal, I'm saying, "What they do seems to work, and what we're doing doesn't. Why not do what they do?"
Why dont all the people who want to use drugs just move to Portugal then? problem solved.
Why don't people who want to live in a puritanical society with no drugs just move to Saudi Arabia? Problem solved.
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why not? its legal now, man. Is there you know, something wrong with doing meth?
Yes, it's highly addictive, and can lead to serious health problems.
Cigarettes having always been legal. I used to smoke them, but I stopped 5 years ago. Seeing a drug legalized, or decriminalized, doesn't make me want to do that drug.
I just don't want to see people get locked up for having a mental illness. Terrible, huh?
I would be more likely to use it than if it were ILLEGAL, yes.
And you'd be wrong. Again, look at Portugal: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
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It happens now- but way less than it will once you legalize it.
lol Not true, Portugal legalized all drugs and drug addiction went down.
and it becomes "normal" to take a meth break at work.
hahaha You think people are just going to take up meth as a hobby because it's legal? Don't be ridiculous. Would you smoke meth if you could? I certainly wouldn't.
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so you pass addiction related issues caused by the government legalizing ALL drugs to business owners?
lol What do you mean, Black? What do you think happens when a line cook shows up to work all strung out, do you think business don't deal with this already?
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so to prevent any public safety incidents of drugged up workers, we just make all drugs legal. then anyone who choose to take any drug is a public safety risk and just gets paid to stay home?
Lmao where did I say that? I didn't say that. You can get a DUI for being under the influence of literally any substance now, and that wouldn't change even if drugs were legalized.
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I mean seriously, now the school bus driver is hopped up on meth,
Legalizing drugs doesn't mean you can drive while intoxicated.
the guy who cooks your food just smoked some weed,
Legalizing drugs doesn't mean business owners can't set their own expectations for employee conduct.
a heroin addict is doing electrical work in your house,
Are they high at the time? I'd find that problematic, but I don't really have a problem with a heroin addict doing my electrical work any more than I have a problem with an alcoholic doing the same.
some guy on cocaine is doing building construction
If you're high on cocaine, you probably shouldn't be doing building construction, but that's up to the company management, and ultimately the employees.
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Yeah there is a lot of "condensations" everytime I get stuff out of the fridge lately. That's summer for you.
It certainly does matter. OP is trying to say liberals are "crazy" to try and legalize drugs, but wanting to crack down on gun control. That is, of course, an absurd comparison. Guns are used to murder people, not heroin or fentanyl.
Gun homicides and drug overdoses are unacceptably high, but the way reducing these problems are entirely different. You get rid of drug problems by treating the underlying mental health conditions, not locking people up.
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Anyway its a personal choice and others should not be telling people what to do (either way) or advocating for people who dont get the vaccine to be discriminated against.
As your ill-informed choice threatens the post-pandemic recovery and I can and will advocate for people to get vaccinated: get your vaccination, people!
And I'll even go a step further; I hope countries start mandating vaccinations to travel overseas. Make your choice, fine, but I hope society chooses that which is in it's self-interest, and right-wing garbage.
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no, it makes it a very questionable decision that a government and the liberal media were pushing people to take something they knew was unapproved. Warp Speed just developed a vaccine to give options for people to take it (or not take it).
Lmao it's been approved via emergency use authorization. If it wasn't authorized, it'd be impossible to die.
If the vaccine is unnecessary as you claim, then why are 99.99% of current Covid deaths from unvaccinated people?
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so deaths from the vaccine are 1%+ of the total deaths from COVID?
No. Again, read what I wrote. I answered this very question:
* Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. *
Over 6000 people who didnt even have COVID died because they got an unnecessary vaccine for something they didnt even have? t
Unnecessary? What are you talking about? You think getting a vaccine to prevent an illness that killed 605,551 in one year is "unecessary?"
here are already adverse side effects, will there be more found next year? in 5 years?
Those "adverse side effects" occur at rates, far, far less than Covid-19 deaths. And I highly date those numbers are going to suddenly jump.
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As if "pure" cocaine is gonna make people OD less.
Cocaine's been around for a long, long time. It wasn't until cheap Fentanyl begain to be laced into other drugs that drug overdoses spiked.
Bruh, this problem is gonna sort itself out.
That's a pretty callous take. It isn't just poor, trashy people that become overdose victims. Lot's of people are going to die before this "sorts itself out." I don't often agree with Chris Christie, but he spoke quite well about this:
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For those not interested in looking things up themselves:
Covid-19 adverse events report, as reported by the CDC:
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
US Covid-19 deaths:
Get vaccinated everyone.
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