Tangerine2000 comments

Posted in: Brexit deal in turmoil as May postpones Parliament vote See in context

I watched May's statement in the House yesterday. I heard her slip out the expression "Exit from Brexit" while answering one of the questions. I thought I had misheard it or she had gotten muddled up. However, it seems this was noticed by others too.

https://order-order.com/2018/12/10/mays-freudian-slip-2/

When she blurted it out, the opposition MPs were slightly stunned and the house went silent for a moment. Everyone was confused by her statement.

I think we just heard what she's intending to do.

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Posted in: Brexit deal in turmoil as May postpones Parliament vote See in context

News is circulating (It is unconfirmed) that May is going to propose a second referendum. It will apparently be held before the exit date in March. There will be two options: Leave with her deal OR Remain. Info is a 3:40 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3BL2SaCAx4

If this is true, it is absolutely disgusting. This is were they've planned to go all along. I'm pretty confident we'll be seeing a yellow vest movement in the UK within the next few weeks.

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

@Pukey2

You wrote:

I bet the NHS is still waiting for confirmation of the weekly 350 million pounds.

You are implying that the Tory Brexiteers have reneged on that promise already or are going to. Two points about that.

It wasn't actually a promise because the words "We guarantee", "We promise to", "We will" or "We're going to" weren't written on the bus. The words "Let's", was. That doesn't constitute a promise.

But hey, let's pretend it was a promise. They still haven't yet had an opportunity to renege on it yet, as the money which they claimed could be used has already been allotted to the EU until at least 2021. If after the EU payments have stopped, and this 350 million towards the NHS doesn't materialize, then you could probably say they made false claims or were misleading, but you still couldn't say they broke a promise.

However, as it stands, Boris Johnson still says (which I think is still ill-advised) that the money can go towards the NHS once the UK stops paying contributions towards the EU. So, there is a possibility they could still do it, even if you think they won't.

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

@Toasted

I appreciate the reply.

I doubt very much there'll be a return to the troubles, neither the North or Republic want that. You are quite right that their voices shouldn't be ignored. When things have become clearer over the next few weeks, the situation will be readily solved if all parties concerned want it to be.

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

@Toasted

Are you from the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland or anywhere else in the UK? If not, I am genuinely interested why you talk about the 6 counties so much.

I am in agreement with you that if the people of Northern Ireland as a majority want to have a referendum and want join the Republic, that's fine. But, if they don't, that also must be respected. Why is this issue very important to you if you aren't Irish/British?

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

@kohakuebisu

Latest polls still show Leave winning. Deltapoll recently compared the options of Deal, No Deal and Remain:

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet

In a referendum between Remain or No Deal Brexit, 52% chose leave. This is higher than the polls before the referendum in 2016 (which were 48% Leave).

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

@Pukey2

How on earth would the NHS get £350 million if the UK hasn't left the EU yet? May has also signed the UK up to end of 2020 with continued EU contributions, meaning that money can't be used towards the NHS till at least 2021.

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Posted in: May says Brexit deal defeat could topple British government See in context

I know many of the people who are commenting on this article are not from the UK, so proabably don't know this, but you should watch this short clip of a speech given by Cameron before the referendum. It is only around 90 seconds long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dj3xg3vYGo

In addition to this, the government spent £9 million of taxpayer's money to print and deliver a leafelt to almost every home in the UK. It stated the armageddon consequences of voting leave and had "once in a lifetime vote" written in big bold letters on it. All of the media, including every newspaper and every MP who campaigned for Remain said that there would be no opportunities to reverse the decision. So, when people say Brits didn't understand what the consequences of their vote would be, it's a LIE.

This whole situation has been engineered. The MPs always wanted a second referendum. However, after having "Project Fear", then "Project Hysteria" and finally "Project Armageddon", they've over-egged the pudding. People won't accept a second referendum. People have had enough.

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Posted in: Rejecting suggestions of delay, May says Brexit vote will go ahead See in context

There is something unsettling about May's decision to go through with this vote. She knows she can't win. Even pro-remain cabinent members are confused by her behaviour. She knows something that other people don't. She isn't a brexiteer, she's a remainer. I think her plan is to lose the vote, then open up a second vote or a fudged negotiation which will amount to very little. Either way, she's trying to reverse the decision of the public.

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Posted in: May suffers setbacks as Brexit debate starts in British parliament See in context

"A vote to leave the European Union will mean leaving the single market" (i.e. not leaving the single market means not leaving the EU)

That is how all of those campaigning for Remain, regardless of political party, made their case before the referendum. That is what was inferred and that is what leaving the EU has come to mean. It doesn't matter how you personally interpret it.

If you want access to the single market, you must accept the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour. Staying in the single market means remaining in the EU.

So, no. If the UK stays in the single market, the referendum won't be honoured. The result was clear. Leave. Not remain is lesser form.

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Posted in: May suffers setbacks as Brexit debate starts in British parliament See in context

Parliament now wants to decide what form Brexit will take. The majority of MPs want a no deal scenario removed from the table. If that happens, it essentially means Brexit isn't going to happen. All other forms of Brexit (chequers, Norway etc) are all different variations of staying in the single market with a continuation of free movement.

Politicians seem to think that their preferences override the people's, and that they can dictate what will happen. We are approaching dangerous territory. In France, Germany and the UK, civil unrest is brewing.

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Posted in: EU finally seals Brexit deal; urges Britons to back PM May See in context

@matt

Parliament has been given a democratic mandate 3 times for this:

2015 - Cameron "Vote for me and I'll give you an In/Out referendum

2016 - The EU referendum

2017 - Snap General Election (Tories and Labour stand on a manifesto promising to leave and by doing so get 85% of the vote collectively, with the Tories promising to leave the single market and customs union)

Having a second referendum, it just becomes farcical. With the two choices you have:

Remain (But not really, because it'll mean further intergration - accepting the Euro and EU army etc)

Leave (But we really really mean it this time, like, there's no going back, are you sure?, do you want to confirm?, let's have a 3rd referendum just in case)

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Posted in: EU finally seals Brexit deal; urges Britons to back PM May See in context

If there is no deal, then the UK should leave. This is what all MPs whether Remain or Leave said during the referendum. "Leaving the EU means leaving the single market and customs union". That is a WTO Brexit.

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Posted in: EU finally seals Brexit deal; urges Britons to back PM May See in context

@ Matt Hartwell

Because out of the 650 MPs in the British Parliament, around 500 are Remainers. Most of the Tory MPs who stood on a manifesto promise of 'leaving the customs union and single market' in the last election have all reneged on it. The politicians don't want it to happen and won't allow it to happen. So, even if there were to be another referendum and leave were to win, they would do everything in their power to make it the softest Brexit possible.

The decision to leave (even if it meant no deal) was taken in 2016. Having another referendum would only be a waste of time/money and divide people further.

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Posted in: EU finally seals Brexit deal; urges Britons to back PM May See in context

If this deal gets through Parliament = Anarchy

If this deal doesn't get through = MPs push for second referendum

If there is a second referendum = Divides the country more than before

If 'Leave' win second ref = MPs push soft Brexit (i.e. Remain)

If 'Remain' win second ref = MPs accept the vote

As I said before, Brexit won't be allowed to happen. I'll be very surprised (and happy) if it does.

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Posted in: May to return to Brussels on Saturday in bid to seal Brexit deal See in context

I'm really not sure what will happen. Either the remain deal that has been concocted will be passed through parliament by the europhiles, or it will be voted down and the second referendum will be wheeled out. Brexit isn't going to be allowed to happen. They are hoping that there won't be sufficient backlash and civil unrest to stop them doing it. However, just like they didn't expect the vote to happen in the first place, they're quite wrong. They can't see the monster they're going to create.

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Posted in: Antidepressant use in England rose after Brexit vote, data shows See in context

GP's in the UK have got into the habit of prescribing anti-depressants left, right and centre. As has been mentioned, the side effects of these drugs are not very well understood. Even when people have stopped taking them, they can continue to affect people for months.

Regards Brexit, unemployment has gone done, wages have gone up. But, these are not conducive to the narrative of Brexit = Bad. Some people cried after the referendum because they believed Nando's would shut shop.

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Posted in: May warns ousting her won't make Brexit talks easier See in context

@Kaerimashita

This deal cannot be altered in any way after it has been signed. The UK will be unable to unilaterally withdraw from any customs union with the EU. According to this deal, only the EU can allow the UK to leave. The deal that May (actually Whitehall) has created is the anthithesis of Brexit. The Tory party is overwhelmingly remain. They will not allow a brexiteer to shape these negotiations. They hope one of two things will happen. Either the deal is accepted and the UK has accept a hardcore version of remain, or the deal will be rejected (which I think is likely), and they will try to slip in another referendum with 3 options (Accept the deal, no deal and remain). By splitting the leave vote, they'll justify that the result means remaining is the only acceptable outcome.

Brexit has been strangled since June 23rd 2016.

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Posted in: May defends Brexit deal as opponents plan no-confidence vote See in context

Her fingers are going to have to be peeled off the wheel. Best replacement would be Rees-Mogg, followed by David Davis, and if absolutely no alternative, Boris.

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Posted in: May vows to fight for Brexit deal as ministers quit See in context

@goldorak

Most British people want Brexit over and done with. There are still far more Brits who want to leave, even under a no-deal scenario, than there are who want to remain, are against Brexit and would like to reverse the decision.

The problem is that the media don't show this at all. They do the opposite and constantly highlight the 10% who want to stop Brexit. If you have a look at any Brexit related article with a comments section on the BBC news website, or most YouTube videos related to the topic, or comment sections of the British newspaper sites (except the Guardian), you'll see the general consensus of the public.

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Posted in: May vows to fight for Brexit deal as ministers quit See in context

The more people found out about the details of May's proposal, the more they got angry. She broke all of her own promises and has been extremely deceitful. I think more than 48 letters have already been submitted, but Graham Brady is stalling for time. There is no one in a position of oversight for the chair of the 1922 committee, which is huge flaw.

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Posted in: After intense wrangling, UK backs a Brexit deal. Now what? See in context

May seems to have gone into some sort of comatose, self-destruct spiral. In a way it is extremely impressive that she has united nearly everyone, whether Leaver or Remainer, to oppose her plan. If she isn't removed, it'll destroy the Tories.

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Posted in: Britain agrees on Brexit deal with EU; May's opponents vow to thwart it See in context

Many interesting things happened yesterday regarding Brexit.

First, it was announced that there had been the highest drop in EU workers (132,000) in the UK since records began. The total number of EU workers in Britain is now 2.25 million.

Second, there had been the highest wage growth (3.1%) in the UK in 10 years. Unemployment also contiued to drop to its lowest in decades (4%).

Third, Angela Merkel calls for a real EU army. Nick Clegg said that there was never going to be one.

Leaving is already proving beneficial and I agree that a clean "No deal" break is best.

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Posted in: May tries to calm Brexit rebels; says deal almost done See in context

@Fox Sora Winters

When May first became Prime Minister, I believed her Lancaster House speech. However, I now realize that she has been put in place by the establishment to prevent Brexit at all costs. I think it's a possiblity that May was selected even before the referendum to act as a back-up plan in what the elites thought was an extremely unlikely situation. She doesn't have any leadership qualities at all, which leads me to believe that someone else is pulling the strings.

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Posted in: May tries to calm Brexit rebels; says deal almost done See in context

Never in the history of Britain has a Prime Minister fought so hard to surrender.

Theresa is deliberately trying to make a complete pig's ear of these negotiations so that the UK essentially gets locked into the EU. It will be interesting to see how the 1922 committee goes tomorrow.

@Kniknaknokkaer

Yes. The Brexiteers in the Tory party have already submitted their suggestions. Even the EU said that their proposal for a Canada-style trade deal would be acceptable, but Theresa May refused it.

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Posted in: Hundreds of thousands take to streets in London demanding second Brexit vote See in context

I've actually come round to the idea of a second referendum. Then if we give the wrong answer again, we can have a third, a fourth and maybe a best out of five. After all, democracy is an "ongoing process" not an event or something like that.

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Posted in: Prince Harry, pregnant Duchess of Sussex start official Australian tour See in context

Wrong on that one Toasted.

Even the Queen wants Harry to cut it out:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stop-the-soul-baring-queen-tells-princes-s3przbqj8

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Posted in: Prince Harry, pregnant Duchess of Sussex start official Australian tour See in context

They apparently announced the news to the Royals at Princess Eugenie's wedding, stealing Eugenie's thunder on her big day. This hasn't gone down well.

Harry has lost quite a bit of respect in the UK over the last year because of Meghan. She comes across as a an attention seeker who deliberately ignores etiquette.

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Posted in: Abe says Japan would welcome Britain into TPP See in context

I'm not sure where you're getting the English are "blaming immigrants for doing jobs" from. Again, the English are blaming the politicians of all parties for constantly promising to cut immigration, then doing the complete opposite.

It's quite interesting that the Scots' view on immigration is pretty much the same as the English.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-and-english-hold-similar-views-on-immigration-poll-1-4549780

I'm all in favor of Scotland having another indy ref after Brexit has finished.

But the point still stands, Japan and the UK won't have a political union as you were comparing it to the UK and the EU.

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