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Posted in: New James Bond film title 'No Time To Die' See in context

Bond Film Name Generator:

A Tomorrow Spy Never Dies Forever

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

the (old) (racist) (ignorant) people that made "leave" win

Really? I mean, really!?

How about (more experienced) (wiser) (indepentently minded)?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

To me sovereignty is more important than the economy or jobs, which incidentally were supposed to have disappeared after a vote to leave, nevermind actually leaving.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

The only honest response from a Brexiter to this report is that food, drugs, fuel, jobs, the economy, Irish peace, the situation of EU nationals living in the UK and vice versa, etc etc, do not matter. The only thing that matters is the holy grail of Brexit, right? Regardless of consequences.

I think that's what you think Brexiteers believe.

Leaving the EU is about regaining sovereignty and exiting an undemocratic federalist superstate. It is about ending vast annual payments to the EU. It is about having the laws which govern the lives of British people being decided by the British Parliament. It is about deciding who can enter the country instead of having a door wide open policy with limitless numbers.

But I am sure you'll look at this and in your eyes, you'll just see what you said above.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@wipeout

You started out well

I'll cop to that. We live and learn.

However, you then followed it up with:

Mind, I didn't factor....

...and I didn't properly take account of the...

....I also didn't expect a....

Sound like your saying "I wasn't wrong because all of these unexpected things happened"

But he's easily won the crown of worst president in US history, and on that I was right, though I didn't expect him to be quite this bad.

Well, there's no way he'll get re-elected next year, is there?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@2020hindsights

So, if Brexit doesn't turn out to be a disaster and if Trump gets re-elected in 2020, would you start to consider there is a reason why you were wrong?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@smithinjapan

Not saying Trump was the right choice. I am saying (this is really getting tiring now, so many people just can't read carefully) that the people who said "there is no way Donald Trump will become the President" were wrong. Very wrong.

Just because lots of people say X is going to happen/not happen, doesn't mean it will/won't.

But I have seen a pattern, some people are absolutely convinced that they are right and when it doesn't come to pass, instead of evaluating why they were so wrong, they simply blame others and refuse to learn why they had made an incorrect prediction.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@smithinjapan

They are screwed.

Before the referendum in 2016, many posters on this site were adamant that remain was going to win. Some said the leavers were going to have egg on their face on June 24th. It didn't happen.

I understand that you are against Brexit and that you honestly believe it will be a disaster. But what if it isn't? What if it really isn't as half as bad as some say it will be? Many people were wrong about Brexit, and many of those same people were wrong about Trump becoming President. I genuinely believe this is going to be another one.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

I think Jimizo has his own voice, strangerland.

I have gathered his opinion from what he has said:

Boris Johnson is our PM - a clown notorious for his poor organizational skills and dishonesty. There are jobs and potentially lives at stake here.

It's clear he doesn't think it will be good or even just okay:

What does ‘ok’ mean? Better than before? Worse than before? About the same?

We have also spoken about this issue before.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

Um, that's equivalent to saying "if they didn't vote the way they did, the vote would have been different".

Um, yeah.

That would be true for anything.

I am saying that leave has happened because of England leave voters plus leave voters from Wales, Scotland and N.I. You were adamant that was not the case.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

I’m not the one making the claim. You or I don’t know bad it will be in the short or long term.

Precisely. So, how can you be so confident it won't be okay? That's what I would like to know.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

The referendum was UK vote. England could not vote by itself. The other nations could have theoretically kept England in the EU.

The majority of England voted leave, but that number alone was not enough to beat the total number of remain votes of the UK as a whole. If Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland voters hadn't voted leave, then remain would have won.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

Strangerland, the figure I used for the REMAIN vote was 16,141,241. That is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The figure I used for LEAVE votes (England only) was 15,188,406. This figure does not include Scotland, Wales and Norther Ireland leave votes.

Do you disagree that 15,188,406 is a smaller number than 16,141,241?

You have somehow reversed these numbers in your brain. I meant stop digging because the hole you have dug yourself into is now quite deep.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

You aren't trying to say we should only count the leave votes, and ignore the remain are you?

My advice, stop digging.

When did I ignore the remain votes? I posted the total of remain votes for the entire UK.

I think you've realised you got the wrong end of the stick trying to argue something that I didn't say.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@jimizo

When someone says they don't think it'll be armageddon, you keep saying "There is no way you can know this".

My questions to you is, how do you know it won't be? What do you think it will be like? And, how do you know?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

My claim: England's leave vote was not enough by itself to win the referendum. The leave vote from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland was needed for leave to win.

Total remain votes (UK): 16,141,241

Leave votes (England only) : 15,188,406

How is that incorrect?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@strangerland

It is. You even said it yourself:

I am pointing out what zichi said was not correct.

I used the correct figures (England 46.62% remain 53.38% leave = 15,188,406 votes for leave)

Can you please tell me how you think it's incorrect?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

@zichi

I have to point out that England was not 40.74% remain as you stated in your post. It was 46.62%.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

I don't think the people have been saying that. I think that's what you think the people have been saying.

Just a few comments from this thread alone:

*I hope that the English will come to their senses and back away from the precipice before their leaders take them over edge.*

The English or the British?

The English ( especially the arrogant, public-schooled right-wing, self-entitled elite) must bear the greatest responsibility for the Brexit debacle.

Regarding the maths:

Are you sure? I don't think your math works correctly there.

Can you tell me how you calculate the numbers? Here's mine:

Total remain votes: 16,141,241

Leave votes (England only) : 15,188,406

Without the leave votes from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, England's leave vote alone wouldn't have won the referendum.

Is that incorrect?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

What exactly makes that fact interesting?

That people say that Brexit is purely and English thing, despite Wales also having a majority for leave.

Without the votes of Scottsh and Irish and Welsh leave voters, England by itself couldn't have won the referendum. People seem to forget that the result was based on the total number of votes of the entire population of the UK, not just England.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

I did a little number crunching. Here's how many people in Wales, Scotland and N.I. voted leave:

Wales: 854,572

Scotland: 1,018,322

Northern Ireland: 349,442

Interesting fact: If these people hadn't voted leave, then remain would have won.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

What about the millions of Welsh, Irish and Scottish people that voted leave, though? I don't recall any country voting 100% remain.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

I hope that the English will come to their senses and back away from the precipice before their leaders take them over edge

That is an interesting take. What about the millions of Welsh, Scottish and Irish people who voted to leave?

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Posted in: Writer hopes Japanese step out of 'comfort zone' as society diversifies See in context

If a British couple moved to France, settled and raised a family there, the kids would surely be officially French with French passports, a French education, etc., from their surroundings and ethnically British from their parents.

Bang on correct.

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

True, but inductive reasoning is a useful way of estimating things.

There is no way that anyone can say it will be dreadful. So, how about somewhere in the middle?

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Posted in: UK faces food, fuel and drug shortages if it leaves EU, says contested leaked document See in context

There will be a few bumps in the road, but like the Millennium Bug, this is all pie in the sky stuff.

Things will get sorted within a couple of months, if not weeks.

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Posted in: Writer hopes Japanese step out of 'comfort zone' as society diversifies See in context

Flute

Race and ethnicity aren't the same thing.

A white British person and a white Swiss person are the same race (white). However they aren't the same ethnicity.

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Posted in: Writer hopes Japanese step out of 'comfort zone' as society diversifies See in context

If you yourself are white British, your daughters would be half British.

The State can decree many things, it can grant rights and passports. However, this doesn't make a person ethinically British if the person doesn't have a parent who is.

Are you a pure Celt?

Not that I am aware of. Never looked into it. There is a specifc genetic marker for British people though, which is why French people aren't British and British aren't French.

You obviously didn't read the header in the link. All of the information for that report was compiled from the 2011 census.

All people who by law are British are so regardless of skin color

They have British nationality, but are not ethnically British. I am not sure if you are crossing wires, zichi.

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Posted in: Veteran UK politicians asked to lead potential anti-Brexit government See in context

Boris may have just prepared a trump card. He is preparing to give a consent order to the High Court in relation to the Robin Tillbrook case.

Robin Tillbrook stated that Theresa May didn't have the authority under royal prerogative to extend Article 50 back in March. He argued that the extension was unlawful without a vote in parliament. Therefore, the UK already left the EU on the 29th March, 2019, according to UK law.

Boris, as PM, has the ability to withdraw the Government's defense in this case, which it looks like he is laying the groundwork for. If he does that, the UK will have automatically left the EU already. This would allow him to carry out Brexit despite Corbyn's potential no-confidence vote, Bercow's obstacles and a potential GE (all of which are too late anyway).

I am not sure whether Boris will use the Robin Tillbrook case. However, Boris has said a few times that the UK will leave the EU on or before the 31st of October.

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Posted in: UK's Labour vows to bring down Johnson and lead temporary government See in context

I am really starting to wonder whether Corbyn is doing this all deliberately because he wants Brexit.

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