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Posted in: Stunning blow for Johnson as court strikes down parliament suspension See in context

I am very happy with the result of the court case. I really hope that Parliament now goes ahead and revokes Article 50.

Don't get me wrong, I still believe leaving the EU is the correct thing to do, and personally, I wish to see a No-Deal. However, something more important needs to happen.

I want millions of fellow British voters to feel disenfranchised. I want them to know that their vote counts for jack. If the public does have to vote again, and gives the 'wrong' answer for a second time, the public will know that it can be drowned out with court case after court case, and millions of pounds thrown against it.

Democracy doesn't work. It never has worked in the interests of the people. It only works in the interest of the select few, who ignore the public and press ahead with their own agendas.

Millions of British people are coming to the same conclusion. We are near a tipping point. When enough people refuse to play the game anymore, that's when real change happens.

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Posted in: Tour company Thomas Cook collapses; global bookings for more than 600,000 canceled See in context

@Umbrella

I may be slightly wrong on this one case, but I believe EU regulations prevent the British Government from providing a bail-out.

This was certainly the case for British Steel, earlier this year.

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Posted in: UK Labour deputy leader survives bid to oust him over Brexit See in context

Labour are no longer a mainstream party that can be elected. They are now an unelectable activist party.

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Posted in: Young people are right about climate change: It’s time to listen See in context

Well, I'm of to do a degree in climatology so I can spend the next 10 years studying climate change; but first I'll study medicine so I can find out about my headache as I wont take my doctors opinion.

Climate change won't be solved by people who aren't willing to learn, my friend.

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Posted in: Young people are right about climate change: It’s time to listen See in context

Too right, we should not listen to the climate scientists but to Dr Trump, he knows all about climatology.

I can assure you that he knows nothing about said subject.

Or, we can all start our own investigation into climate change and learn "personally".

Yes, that's a good thing. If everyone takes it upon themselves to learn more about it, they'll care more.

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Posted in: Young people are right about climate change: It’s time to listen See in context

The climate of Earth has always been changing. Are humans having an impact? Of course. Should we listen to children and their concerns? Yes.

However, let's not accept opinions as gospel, but commit to learning more about it personally. If everyone knows more about it, it can only be a good thing. Unfortunately, many children are being used as a conduit by other adults to push their agenda, while hiding from criticism.

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Posted in: EU warns Britain heading for a no-deal Brexit See in context

Looks like the three choices will be:

Boris' reheated version of May's WA

A No-Deal Brexit

Revoke Article 50

Nobody wants number 1. A no-deal Brexit would be the preferred choice, but revoking would also be a good outcome.

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Posted in: Johnson says he will obey the law but still take UK out of EU on Oct 31 See in context

We need MPs to keep pushing for an Article 50 revocation. It is now the LIb Dem's official policy.

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Posted in: Ex-PM Cameron 'sorry' for creating Brexit divisions See in context

Do you know what's really irresponsible, 'Dave'?

It's holding a referendum to leave the EU and then not make any plans at all for the possibility that the country might vote that way. Some people might even say it was a dereliction of duty.

It's looking like revoking Article 50 might be the best outcome for this situation.

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Posted in: Johnson says 'rough shape' exists for Brexit deal See in context

I still think he's going to try and present May's Withdrawal Agreement, just minus the backstop. He's going to get a nasty surprise that no one wants or supports it.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

It seems a constitutional muddle.

Yes, it seems so. If the Supreme Court does decide to use English law, it will only end up bolstering Scotland's case for independence. Interesting effects.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

An eye-opening passage from the High Court judgment in Miller on prorogation. Claimants' case in London and Edinburgh was that Johnson had an ulterior motive ie Brexit.

Court says even if that's true, it's out of their hands: prorogation can be used for "political advantage"

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1171763083586523136

I said this before, but people wouldn't have it. Courts have no bearing over the Government in such situations.

So, if the Supreme Court uses English law, it is as above. It will be interesting if the case in the Supreme Court follow Scottish law, though.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

You could say.....Winter is Cumming.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

Well if it's not why is Farage on Question Time so much?

The BBC isn't pro-Brexit, it's very anti-Brexit.

YouGov survey:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/02/22/bbc-news-pro-brexit-or-anti-brexit

8% of British people think the BBC is pro-Brexit

27% of British people think the BBC is anti-Brexit

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

@Alfie

Britain Elects is far-right? ComRes is extreme? YouGov is too?

Can you please tell us that the BBC is pro-Brexit again?

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

Apparently, no order was issued by the court, so the prorguement remains unaffected for now. It will be sent to the Supreme Court next Tuesday.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

Scottish Court has just ruled that Johnson's proroguement was unlawful. This is a good development!

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

@cleo

You posted many quotes, but I can't see any which are incorrect.

Can you please point out which ones are, with evidence of why?

For example:

*Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave*

We haven't left yet, so how can this be incorrect? It is possible we could have May's deal with access to the Single Market.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

For those who say "No one said No Deal!"

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168913733902639105

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

Leaving with a deal wasn't part of the vote.

Leaving without a deal was talked about and even highlighted by Cameron during debates as a possible outcome.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

New poll from ComRes

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1171528933256286208

Should the result of the referendum (i.e. leaving on Oct 31) be respected?

54% Yes

25% No

21% Don't know

(35% of people who voted Remain in 2016 believe the result should be respected)

Without the Don't Knows, 68% believe the result of the 2016 should be respected.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

@Alfie Noakes

The Conservatives have a 9 point lead on average taken from every single poll conducted by every company this year:

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

If Article 50 was revoked and there was no need for an extension request, Labour couldn't block a General Election for a valid reason.

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Posted in: Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull See in context

So wait, how would Johnson get around law in order to get a no-deal brexit?

Boris can still do the following: He revokes Article 50 which removes the need to ask for an extension and nullfies the law which requires him do so. Then he calls for a General Election. If he win a majority as the polls show, he could then vote for Article 50 again with a mostly pro-Brexit parliament. After invoking Article 50 again, he could announce that the UK is leaving the next day with no deal. (Two years are not needed for Article 50, that is the maximum amount of time you can have before you have to leave)

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Posted in: Johnson tells parliament: You can tie my hands, but I will not delay Brexit See in context

And for all of the silly people getting into a tizz about food shortages and medicine running out, please actually listen to custom experts:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/caller-port-of-dover-no-deal-brexit-really-like/

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Posted in: Johnson tells parliament: You can tie my hands, but I will not delay Brexit See in context

I am getting excited about leaving with no deal! Are you excited?

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Posted in: Johnson tells parliament: You can tie my hands, but I will not delay Brexit See in context

One of the world's biggest economies being engulfed in chaos while food runs out and medicine disappears is good, actually.

You forgot that Romania will also declare war on the UK.

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Posted in: Johnson tells parliament: You can tie my hands, but I will not delay Brexit See in context

Told that Dominic Cummings told a meeting on Friday that the people who are cross about his tactics “will melt” when they learn of what he has planned in coming weeks. We’re in the foothills of the chaos.

https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1170439755701596162

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Posted in: Britain's Johnson vows to fight on despite Brexit blows See in context

Bercow has just announced he is standing down at the next election if it is in mid Oct, or by 31st of Oct at the latest.

He broke and twisted the role of the Speaker in order to stand in the way of democracy by using arcane parliamentary procedures when it suited him. Odious little toad he is.

Good riddance. Let us hope a better and impartial Speaker takes his place.

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Posted in: Britain's Johnson vows to fight on despite Brexit blows See in context

No they weren’t. The referendum was not binding. If it was, it would have been binding. It wasn’t.

Go back and read the comment again. I never said the referendum was binding.

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Posted in: Britain's Johnson vows to fight on despite Brexit blows See in context

The reason Leave won was because of buses and marketing and dodgy spending and, let's be honest, xenophobia.

Do you actually believe this? You think 1.4 million more people voted leave because of this?

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