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Posted in: Brexit accelerating Japanese exodus from UK: analysts See in context

@theeastisred

Of course Japan will choose the tariff-free option.

I didn't say otherwise. I am not talking about that. You have misread my comments again. I suggest you look at what I am saying instead of trying to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

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Posted in: Brexit accelerating Japanese exodus from UK: analysts See in context

If Japanese companies are pulling out of the UK and moving to another country in the EU, you know it's because of Brexit. This would also suggest that they (Japanese companies) prize the European market before anywhere else.

However, if they are moving out of the UK and relocating to Japan, it's obvious that these companies don't need to be located in Europe, and their decisions haven't necessarily been made because the UK is leaving the EU.

These changes will have likely been made regardless. It also reveals the fact that the UK remaining in the EU wouldn't guarantee Japanese companies staying. 

Despite this, there are some who will scream "It's because of Brexit!" until they are blue in the face. I just don't think it's that simple.

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Posted in: Honda to close UK car plant in 2022 with loss of 3,500 jobs See in context

So after the Nissan decision to not produce the X-TRAIL in the UK story from the other week, I decided to do a little research...

Turns out the new trade deal signed between the EU and Japan means that it is now more cost effective for Japan to produce the cars in Japan and ship them directly to the EU. This is because of changes to tariffs.

Also, the amount of sales has slumped for certain car manufacturers over the last 5 years in the UK/EU. Especially diesel models. Again, this has been due to EU regulation.

Finally, a friend of mine who happens to work at the Swindon plant has told me the plant has been in decline for years and although Brexit will have been a factor, it still wouldn't have changed the outcome.

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Posted in: EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell' See in context

@Luddite

Yes, we do. Stop pretending you are an authority on the UK and the British people.

I am from the UK, Luddite.

I am sorry to disagree with you, but British people really don't often use the word "Briton" very often when talking about themselves. They are far more likely to say "British people" or "Brits". In fact, even in your own comment you chose the expression "British people". Some might try to use the word "Brits" in a pejorative manner, but the word itself has no negative meaning at all.

The only time we really ever use the term "Britons" is when singing "Rule Britannia", but as you know, that's not something we do even on a remote basis.

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Posted in: EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell' See in context

@BigYen

It's no problem at all. And you were right - I should have posted links to polls in my original post!

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Posted in: EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell' See in context

@smithinjapan

I've noticed you always say "Britons". Is there any particular reason why? British people don't usually use the word.

You voted for this stupid woman

No. In the UK, people vote for a party not PM. The vast majority of people don't want her to be PM (Including Tories).

you voted for Brexit

Yes.

Now you're getting exactly what you wanted

No we aren't. We are getting May's version of Brexit which just so happens to be "Remain-even-harder-than-EU-Membership."

racist cries for a "stronger Britain"

Sigh. Really? I mean, really?

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Posted in: EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell' See in context

@BigYen

Here is a comprehensive article from the Irish Times regarding all of the polling for a United Ireland:

However, all polls still show a border poll producing a majority in favour of the North remaining in the UK

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/polls-suggest-gradual-shift-to-united-ireland-1.3645214

Also, it is worth looking at the long-term trends. Here is the Wikipedia page with all of the polling data. Please note the "Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey" section. This poll has been conducted every year since at least 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Assorted_opinion_polls

The last "Life and Times Survey" put support for rejoining the union at 22%. 55% support remaining in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44468686

I had to laugh when I saw the "OFOC" poll. They are an extreme remain organization funded by the EU. Their one-off poll put 52% "Yes" for Irish Unification.

Finally, this a fresh article explaining why the NI Secretary is skeptical about holding an Irish Unity vote.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47143679

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Posted in: EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell' See in context

@toasted

I think it's time you gave "The 6 counties" a rest. You are not from Northern Ireland. Regardless of how much people "will" it to happen, Northern Ireland will not leave the UK unless a majority vote for it

According to current polling:

Does N. Ireland want to leave the UK to join R.O.I? No.

Do a majority of people in N. Ireland want to hold a referendum on this issue? No. Not even close.

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Posted in: Nissan's second thoughts on UK-made SUV add to Brexit worry See in context

A couple of things to bear in mind:

First, as the article mentions, the X-Trail has always been produced in Japan. Nissan has simply decided not to start production of this model in the UK. So, no jobs in the UK will be affected, it's just that new jobs won't be created.

Second, Jaguar Land Rover's recent move to the EU had been planned and decided long before the EU referendum. After a bit of research, it actually becomes clear that Jaguar Land Rover moved to Slovakia because of EU state aid. Even if the referendum hadn't happened, they still would have moved.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/10/eu-rules-left-slovakia-free-entice-jaguar-land-rover-uk-110m/

What we're going to see now, is companies which have business decisions that were decided long ago, blame Brexit if they feel it will be unpopular.

As Jonathan Pie (Best Comedian out the at the moment) puts it: "Anything goes wrong, anything at all. Blame Brexit."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-x6Ct2OwOA

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Posted in: UK grocers, fast food warn of major disruption from no-deal Brexit See in context

@smithinjapan

There's always the option of not doing Brexit, like the majority of Britains now want, but nope... pride and all that.

Not true. Opinium poll from Jan 16-18:

Cancellation of Brexit: 20%

Go ahead with Brexit on the current timelines even if it means leaving with no deal: 40%

Delay Brexit: 20%

Even if we are generous and split the delay vote by 50/50 if that is not a choice, a majority still want Brexit.

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Posted in: UK grocers, fast food warn of major disruption from no-deal Brexit See in context

@Jimizo

I think the UK will be just fine. I would disagree and say that when push comes to shove, Britain is extremely good at adapting.

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Posted in: UK grocers, fast food warn of major disruption from no-deal Brexit See in context

This whole situation is much like the Millenium Bug. In reality, very little will happen. The British Media are trying their best to whip up hysteria so that enough people will be scared to change their minds. Not going to work. The pudding has already been over-egged.

Most people accept they'll be some disruption over the first few days and weeks, but must people understand that these food companies will also want to keep selling their products, and the companies themselves will do everything in their power to prevent any obstacles.

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Posted in: Sony to shift European headquarters from UK to Netherlands to avoid Brexit disruption See in context

I think some people have only just read the headline before commenting. As the artice says:

"the only change we will make is the change of registered location of the company"

This is a sensible move as the UK is leaving the EU. People would question the sense of the those running the business if they didn't do this. Some people who comment on these types of articles can't seem to distinguish between wanting sensible controls over immigration and having foreign companies operating in the UK.

@Kag

Dyson has moved to Singapore, not the EU. Kind of a big difference.

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Posted in: Brexit battle looms as UK lawmakers attack May's 'Plan B' See in context

@Scrote

EU army personnel of course! Macron and Merkel were signing a treaty yesterday to bring the EU army one step closer.

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Posted in: Brexit battle looms as UK lawmakers attack May's 'Plan B' See in context

Three things:

First, it never ceases to amaze me how many commenters who disagree with leaving the EU feel the need to call those that want to leave, "stupid".

Second, the EU has now said they will erect a hard border in the Republic of Ireland in the event of No-Deal. Varadkar is now starting to realise how little power he has over this situation, even if Ireland doesn't want a border.

Third, Queen Elizabeth has been drawn into this mess. Remainer MPs will try to force Brexit-wrecking amendments through parliament, forcing the the Queen to refuse Royal Assent if requested to do so by the Government. An extremely rare event (not happened since 1707), but now that the Monarch has been involved, it is highly unlikely that MPs who are trying to scupper/delay Brexit will be allowed to.

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Posted in: Despite Brexit, I’m proud to be a Brit See in context

Things Remainers say about Leavers:

They're xenophobic, uneducated, ignorant, ill-informed and they don't understand why being in the EU is a good thing.

Things Leavers say about Remainers:

They're undemocratic, dislike the working class, moan about losing the referendnum and they don't understand why most people voted to Leave.

I'd dare say that Brexit happened because of Brits who are proud to be British. They don't identify as European (culturally), and they don't want to be part of a European superstate.

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Posted in: UK in deadlock over Brexit 'Plan B' as May and Corbyn tussle See in context

I neither trust or believe what Tories say. I did my own research and came to my own conclusions.

However despite appearances parliamentary sovereignty has not been eroded as demonstrated this very week

If you believe that, no one will be able to convince you otherwise. EU law can be implemented with prior agreement from the British Government and without consent of the British Parliament.

pooling sovereignty with the other EU members’ has enabled the UK to punch far above its weight

Completely untrue. The EU ignores individual member state's concerns if they aren't in line with their own. The UK isn't able to trade in the way in would like to with countries from across the globe. Thus its hand are bound from even being able to attempt to punch in the first place.

The economic and political advantages have been demonstrated over the last 40 years, not least by growing from the 7th strongest economy on the planet to the 5th and it has not been held back exercising its military.

By leaving the ERM and by not joining the Euro. Two of the crowning acheivements of the EU. But still, remaining in the EU means you have to eventually accept the Euro.

I'm afraid to say that you have invested into the idea of the EU so much that you have to turn a blind-eye to points such as these. But, I appreciate that you do acknowledge that the UK has to sacrifice sovereignty to be a member.

Having trade deals and international agreements with other countries doesn't require you to surrender it.

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Posted in: UK in deadlock over Brexit 'Plan B' as May and Corbyn tussle See in context

@SwissToni

I find the following excerpts disconcerting:

"The more the Community is developed...the more parliamentary sovereignty will be eroded"

"The sovereignty of the State will surely remain unchallenged for this century at least"

If the entire project was so advantageous, why weren't they upfront with the public? Why was there any need to hide or obscure certain details from the people?

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Posted in: UK in deadlock over Brexit 'Plan B' as May and Corbyn tussle See in context

@zones2surf

I concur.

I would just like to add that the British people were never asked to hand over sovereignty to the EU. Edward Heath (Prime Minister during the Common Market Referendum in 1975) said that the UK would not lose its own sovereignty and that it was not going to result in political union.

A document written by the Government at that time called FCO30/1048 was kept secret for 30 years. It stated, facts concerning loss of sovereignty, monetary union and eventual politcal union should be kept hidden from the British public long enough so that they didn't realise what was happening, and it would be too late to do anything about it.

Whether it be the Conservatives or Labour, the British people have been betrayed again and again by the political class.

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Posted in: May seeks to end Brexit stalemate after winning confidence vote See in context

@Toasted

Only some of those who voted Remain are pushing for a second referendum. Many of the people who voted remain don't wish to see a re-run. So, I think it's fair to say that it is mostly the Establishment who are pushing for it.

@theeastisred

Leaving was decided in 2016. Despite people who oppose Brexit saying "people didn't know what they were voting for" and "we know so much more now", it has been decided.

There shouldn't be any talk of remaining. As has been pointed out here before, if Remain had won by even a single vote, there'd be no discussion about the possibility of having a second referendum with Leave as an option.

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Posted in: Brexit bedlam: May's EU withdrawal deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament See in context

@theeastisred

I haven't characterized anything. I merely repeated word for word what the poll said.

I wouldn't welcome a second referendum because of the following reasons:

It would irreparably damage the trust between the electorate and parliament

It will lead to civil unrest - No matter how much some who don't want to leave the EU say otherwise

If Leave wins again (which I believe it would by a much larger margin), the result still won't be accepted by MPs and people who don't want to leave the EU under any circumstances

If Remain won (again, don't think it would happen) by only a whisker, it would leave the situation unresolved. People would be demanding a 3rd referendum, the a 4th etc

It would need at least another 6 months, in the meanwhile, the debate becomes more vicious and toxic

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Posted in: Brexit bedlam: May's EU withdrawal deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament See in context

@theeastisred

You may consider No-Deal to be a dead option, but the majority of Brits don't.

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Posted in: Brexit bedlam: May's EU withdrawal deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament See in context

@theeastisred

The 8% for a referendum was on the question of remain vs deal

Can you tell me where is says "Remain vs Deal"?

It says:

"There should be a referendum on whether or not to accept the Brexit deal"

It says nothing about Remain being an option. How do you know that the referendum wouldn't be "Deal vs No-Deal?"

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Posted in: Brexit bedlam: May's EU withdrawal deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament See in context

@theeastisred

I don't think you have read the article carefully.

The 8% for a referendum was on the question of remain vs deal

No it wasn't. Please read it again.

According to the poll, 28% want to Remain. However, 22% are for a No-Deal Leave, and 15% are for May's Deal and Leave. That's a total of 37% supporting Leave. Because May's Deal is no longer an option, it is more probable that those who supported her deal, will move to a No-Deal if there is no other choice. It can also not be assumed that 9% who said "seek new negotiations" would support Remain. They could just as likely support Leave if there are no new negotations. But in any permutation, the numbers stack up against Remain.

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Posted in: Brexit bedlam: May's EU withdrawal deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament See in context

People who voted Remain and still don't want to leave the EU:

"This news is fantastic, Brexit can finally be cancelled! Surely No-Deal can not be a viable option!"

People who voted Leave and still want to:

"Parliament is made up of 75% Remainers. They will never allow Brexit to happen."

I agree with Aly, I don't think the UK will end up remaining. Concerning what to do next, only 8% of Brits want another referendum. Also, 47% think it would be undemocratic to have a second vote (as opposed to 39%).

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/01/15/mps-prepare-brexit-vote-where-do-britons-stand

Ultimately, either Parliament (majority Remainers) will win or the people (majority Leavers) will.

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Posted in: Abe says world does not want no-deal Brexit See in context

@MiaTanaka

Thank you for your kind words. It was not my intent to criticise in any way.

Yes, I am British. And yes, I am not a supporter of the EU. I am a supporter of Europe :)

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Posted in: Abe says world does not want no-deal Brexit See in context

@ MiaTanaka

It is nice to hear things from the Norway perspective.

The UK is quite valuable to the EU because it is the second largest net financial contributor.

https://order-order.com/2017/01/12/eu-faces-funding-cliff-edge/

Almost 10% of the EU budget is paid by the UK. If the UK stops paying, the other member will either have to pay more (which nobody wants to), or the EU budget will have to be reduced. Without the UK's money, everything will come to a halt. This is why the EU is making the leaving process as difficult as possible.

Many people assume that British people who want to leave the EU are against Europe. But this isn't correct. To British people, the "EU" and "Europe" are very different things. British people in general have a very positive opinion of Europe. It's just that they don't want to be part of a federalized superstate.

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Posted in: Abe says world does not want no-deal Brexit See in context

@smithinjapan

No, actually... what the world does NOT want is Brexit, plain and simple, and clearly most Britains Don't want that either.

I think you'll find most Britons do want it.

Elites don't want Brexit, but most ordinary people who learn about the EU and what being a member of it means, admit that they wouldn't want it for their own country.

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Posted in: Abe, Dutch PM Rutte working to avoid no-deal Brexit See in context

Do you mean this link?

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-2/

So, I am interested to know what you think. If in a three-way referendum, Remain had the single largest majority, but it was still less than the combination of Deal and No deal, should the UK leave or remain in the EU?

This is why I don't think a three-way referendum will work, and when it comes down to remain or leave (no deal), leave would win.

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Posted in: Abe, Dutch PM Rutte working to avoid no-deal Brexit See in context

@theeastisred

I'm afraid the polls you have posted a link to aren't really valid.

Firstly "Do you think in hindsight that Britain was right or wrong to leave the EU?" Many people who voted remain say that leaving was the wrong choice, but also say the vote must be respected. So, it's likely that although a majority say it was the wrong decision, doesn't necessaily mean it should be reversed.

Secondly "How would you vote in another referendum?". This doesn't take into account what the options would be in a second ref (i.e. deal, no deal, remain). The data only shows choices between remain and leave. And as can be seen form the data the majority has changed or has been tied between remain and leave several times in the last 12 months.

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