Tangerine2000 comments

Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

but the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation is a joke

This is odd because from where I am, the BBC is as anti-Brexit as you can get. Without fail they always load their panels with remainers. Just last night for example, they had 4 remainers and one Brexiteer.

I'm sure you have no problems with YouGov, at least I hope you don't:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/02/22/bbc-news-pro-brexit-or-anti-brexit

BBC is pretty high up on the anti-Brexit list. 27% of the population feel it is, whereas only 8% feel it is pro-Brexit

Even more remainers believe the BBC is anti Brexit than remainers who think it isn't.

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

Would you care to explain how they could have taken control of Brexit?

Mogg: Backbench MP, not a member of the cabinet, zero chance of him becoming PM in 2017. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Johnson: Wanted to be PM in 2017, but impossible. This is because the PM at that time was selected by the 330 or so Conservative MPs themselves. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Farage: Leader of UKIP, but not an MP. Zero influence in Westminster. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Again, could you please explain how these 3 individuals had any power, control or ability to control the Government's Brexit policy?

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

Tangerine you really need to research this properly. If you knew....

Please don't dodge what I said.

Nowhere to be seen!? They're on the telly nearly every day.

Mogg, Johnson and Farage are still active politicians (unlike Cameron). They are all still engaged in making Brexit happen.

The UK's Brexit is in a complete mess because these three men who led the Leave campaign then disappeared....

They haven't disappeared though. That's what I am disagreeing with you about.

Especially, Farage. As mentioned before, he's the leader of a new political party that will take part in any new elections. How is that disappearing?

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

And the perpetrators of Brexit (Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg) are nowhere to be seen.

Mogg: Conservative MP, leader of ERG, still supporting Brexit as far as I know.

Joohnson: Still trying to become PM (won't happen though) and supporting Brexit.

Farage: Set up a new poiltical party to take part in the European Election and to make sure Brexit happens.

Nowhere to be seen!? They're on the telly nearly every day.

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

@AlfieNaokes

Here is a link describing the case:

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-postponement-of-brexit-is-it-legal/

Here is a link to Robin Tillbrook, the individual who a brought the case against the Government:

http://robintilbrook.blogspot.com/2019/03/english-democrats-bring-case-to-get.html

Could you also provide a list of sources that you would accept that go beyond the Guardian, Independent and BBC, please?

I think it is important not to stay within an echo chamber.

You could also have googled "Article 50 extension court case" yourself.

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

@CrazyJoe

Parliament has voted against holding a second referendum three times within the last two weeks.

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Posted in: Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative See in context

A few people have realised that the EU has already removed a WTO exit as an option for the UK. When the EU offered an Article 50 extension to Theresa May, they offered two extension dates (12 April and 22 May).

In the text provided, they simply could have just changed the date from 29 March to 12 April for the WTO exit option, but they didn't. The last sentence of the text states:

In that event (Parliament rejects the Withdrawal Agreement), the United Kingdom will indicate a way forward before the 12th of April 2019, for consideration by the European Council.

The text makes no mention of the UK leaving the EU with no deal on 12 April.

Simply put, everything has already been decided. It will be extended again.

However, all of this is playing havok with domestic UK law. Ironically, Gina Miller's court case resulted in a demand for an Act of Parliament to set Article 50 in motion. So likewise, although the PM and EU can extend the date all they like, it is illegal for them to do so without the consent of Parliament.

A court case has been brought against the British Government about riding roughshod over UK law. The case was brought forward last Friday and began on Monday. As you can imagine, it's being kept very quiet.

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Posted in: Britain faces calls for unity gov't amid Brexit impasse See in context

A simple video which shows how much politicians who are now advocating a second referendum forget what they themelves said just a few months before.

https://twitter.com/Change_Britain/status/1111538986147827712

"We will respect the result of the referendum, whatever the result."

"If we vote to leave, that's it, we're out!"

"There's no second vote."

"There will be no second referendum."

"The referendum is clear and has to be accepted."

"We're leaving the single market. We're leaving the customs union."

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Posted in: Angry over Brexit delay, 'Leave' supporters march through London See in context

You are fickle. Giving up on the ludicrous Etonian fop at the first betrayal.

I found your comment fascinating.

After the first sign of betrayal, I have always thought it wise to cease trusting someone.

I wouldn't call it fickle. I'd call it reasonable.

JRM had lambasted May's deal numerous times over the last few weeks, then he did a 180 and threw his support behind it in a matter of hours. I think that counts as a pretty big betrayal.

But going further than that, are you against people changing their opinion about something or someone?

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Posted in: Angry over Brexit delay, 'Leave' supporters march through London See in context

An interesting collection of polls:

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

9% of Leavers would mind if a relative married a strong Remainer

37% of Remainers would mind if a relative married a strong Leaver

Having a Remainer or Leaver as the romantic partner of your child:

75% of Leavers willing

53% of Remainers willing

Having a Remainer/Leaver as friend:

80% of Leavers willing

61% of Remainers willing

"Would you feel willing/unwilling to have a Remainer/Leaver as a co-worker?"

79% of Leavers willing

67% of Remainers willing

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Posted in: Angry over Brexit delay, 'Leave' supporters march through London See in context

I lost all respect for JRM two days ago. He said that May's deal was awful and then supported it. I would now like to see the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats consigned to the dustbin.

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Posted in: May offer to quit fails to sway key opponents of her Brexit deal See in context

Britain doesn't belong to anyone, mate.

I'm not going to argue with you. I know you have your own views and you are not likely to change them. I respect that.

However, when you use words like "educate" and "expert" with quotation marks, you just come across as someone with an attitude problem (the excessive exclamation marks don't help either).

You don't have to agree with others, but you have to accept the fact that other people are allowed to have different opinions.

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Posted in: May offer to quit fails to sway key opponents of her Brexit deal See in context

@peeingtom

You come across as the type of person who has decided what everyone else's minds, feelings and opinions are, without understanding them.

I'm sorry the vote didn't go your way, but you seem very bitter about it. The UK doesn't 'belong' to you, there are millions of British people who don't share your views. People aren't bad, stupid or wrong because they don't agree with you. Most of what you have typed isn't true at all.

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Posted in: May plans watered-down Brexit vote to secure departure delay See in context

This is just like Groundhog Day.

If she loses again, can we finally leave? It would be nice if she'd quit too.

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Posted in: May offer to quit fails to sway key opponents of her Brexit deal See in context

@peepingtom

So according to you, if you live outside the UK for 4 years and go back at the end of it, you are not allowed to have voted in the referendum whether it be for remain or leave?

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

If you're not British (but even if you are), why are you so against British people voting if they live outside the UK, but will go back there to live there in the future?

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Posted in: May offer to quit fails to sway key opponents of her Brexit deal See in context

Voter apathy: largest vote in the history of the UK.

Deceit (Johnson/Farage): Please specify what deceit.

Putin: Again, what evidence?

It makes no sense to follow through: Yes, it does. It's called democracy.

Time to carry out the result of the referendum and leave.

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Posted in: May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process See in context

@Jimizo

Of course there is a level of risk. Anyone who says there isn't is being foolish. However, even Mark Carney says that preparations in the UK for a no-deal are as complete as they can be.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/05/eu-set-financial-pain-leaders-not-ready-no-deal-warns-bank-england/

The honest truth is that nobody can say what the future of the economy will be 5 years from now, even if it is in or out of the EU. However, most of the city of London have flatly refused to relocate to Frankfurt and companies are looking at the opportunites that a WTO exit would bring.

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Posted in: May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process See in context

Hi Jimizo!

A WTO exit is not ideal. It would be much better to have a Canada-style trade deal with the inclusion of access for financial services. This was actually put forward by Donald Tusk over 6 months ago, but it was kept fairly quiet and turned down by May's own circle. That convinced me that she was never going to try for any type of reasonable deal.

So, being as WTO is the only credible version of Brexit left, I am fine with it. Of course there'll be economic hardship and unforseen problems at first, but these will get sorted within months, not years. People often talk of governments making decisions when in actual fact, it's the consumers. The companies that sell into the UK and vice versa will keep disruption to a minimum for their own sake.

It is the only way that the UK can leave cleanly. This will be better for the EU and UK in the long run.

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Posted in: May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process See in context

Also, 1 million people didn't attend The People's Vote march last Saturday. The actual number is estimated between 312,000 to 400,000.

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

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Posted in: May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process See in context

zones2surf is quite right. Latest polling shows that a WTO exit is the most popular option. In addition, when taking into account all various options, leaving the EU stands at 50% and stopping Brexit stands at 35%.

Just over a third of adults (35%) support abandoning Brexit and staying in the EU.

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/daily-express-brexit-poll-march-2019/

The most interesting part of the poll:

Among 2016 Remain voters, 67% would support abandoning Brexit but 33% would not, including 8% who are undecided.

So at least a third of remainers don't want to reverse Brexit.

And another poll by ComRes:

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/leave-means-leave-brexit-poll-march-2019/

Over four in ten British adults agree that the Government seems to be in favour of remaining in the EU and has set out to thwart Brexit from the beginning (44%).

May is just a liar. 108 times she said the UK would leave the EU on March 29th. Again and again she said "No deal is better than a bad deal". Now she is completely opposed to the WTO option.

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Posted in: Brexit up in the air as May pushes divorce deal for third time See in context

@toasted

You'll be pleased to know that the UK, ROI and EU and have begun talks on avoiding a hard border in the event of a WTO exit then. EU officials just admitted that there'll be no hard border whichever way the UK leaves. Happy days!

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1110130145514438656

Just goes to show what a complete non issue this is.

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Posted in: Brexit up in the air as May pushes divorce deal for third time See in context

I didn't say it was right. Of course it wrong. What I did say was:

So, no, she doesn't garner any sympathy I'm afraid.

I don't think people who dish out the same treatment that they are complaining about receiving can expect much sympathy.

I am sure she is lovely to everyone who shares her views. But, she seems quite a nasty person to those who don't.

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Posted in: Brexit up in the air as May pushes divorce deal for third time See in context

And interesting that despite the fact that the link provides the screenshots and evidence, you still dismiss it because of the source.

Here's another:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6840249/Former-college-lecturer-cancel-Brexit-petition-threatened-shoot-Theresa-May.html

But I already know that you'll dismiss this too because it's the Mail. Sources like the BBC and Guardian won't publish this info because it doesn't fit their narrative.

Bear in mind that if Guido Fawkes or the Mail is lying, they are opening themselves up to being sued for libel.

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Posted in: Brexit up in the air as May pushes divorce deal for third time See in context

That petition contains hundreds of thousands of fake signatures. But let's pretend they are all genuine:

16.14 million people voted to remain.

The petition hasn't even managed to get that many signatures. It is still only 5.3 million now.

It is claimed that 1 million people took part in the protest in London on the weekend.

2.3 million people in London voted remain in the referendum. So naturally, it's not so difficult to get local people to attend a protest on a Saturday. In addition, many of the people who took part in the protest were non UK citizens (couldn't vote in 2016) and children (couldn't vote in 2016) who were brought along by their parents.

Considering these facts, those demanding a second referendum are in a minority.

  A second referendum is the only way to put this issue to bed.

No. The only way to put this to bed is to respect the referendum result and leave. I am open to a referendum with choices as to how we leave (i.e. May's Deal or No Deal), but I think even that is a waste of time because nearly everyone (remainers and leavers) loathe May's deal.

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Posted in: Brexit up in the air as May pushes divorce deal for third time See in context

Interestingly, the 77 year old author of the petition made repeated death threats against Theresa May on Facebook. She also spoke of buying modified paintball guns to inflict pain on Brexit voters. So, no, she doesn't garner any sympathy I'm afraid.

https://order-order.com/2019/03/22/revoke-article-50-petition-creator-threatened-may-discussed-buy-legal-guns-take-commons/

And the petition has well and truly been hijacked. Some people are signing it under the name Donald Trump and posting screenshots of it online. If anyone's interested, here's a video demonstration of how people create petition bots to fake tens of thousands of signatures on the UK Parliament's official petition website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkZGPCBlA6U

The lack of security is appalling.

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Posted in: Anti-Brexit protesters stage mass rally in London See in context

What isn't the right thing to do is say 'we already decided', when it's the future of the entire nation forever in the balance.

Democracy isn't 'best out of three'.

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Posted in: Anti-Brexit protesters stage mass rally in London See in context

Better to disillusion a few people, than to make a mistake.

And that arrogant attitude there is why leave won.

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Posted in: Anti-Brexit protesters stage mass rally in London See in context

It is not a good idea for the following reasons:

You won't get the result you want and people will demand another.

It will disenfranchise millions of people who voted for the first time in their lives in 2016.

It will destroy trust in the democratic process.

It will lead to civil unrest.

People on both sides will be at each others throats during the campaign.

It will deepen divisions which may spill over into violence.

The UK will not survive another referendum.

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@goldorak

Have read plenty of 'i voted to leave but i would now vote remain', 'I didn't know' etc comments. Don't think brexiteers are 'that' determined tbh (pollies sure arent).

There are a lot of remain voters pretending to be leave voters.

@strangerland

The same thing as if it were a marginal victory for leave.

You follow the will of the people.

The thing is, we were told this by remainers in 2016. What makes you think that if leave won again with a result of under 60% that remainers wouldn't demand a third vote?

The problem is that you are not going to get a result with a super majority.

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So what would happen in the result of a marginal victory for remain?

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