tian4670 comments

china will never go to ICJ as they never respect the rule of law in the first place.

The question is: when will Japanese summon their greatest courage to put this in front of ICJ?

Funny how China has only now gotten around to making a detailed map of a group of islands they claim they have controlled since "ancient times."

Nobody were really interested in those small islands until Japan make it a big deal. Ex-leader Deng XiaoPing even suggest to 'leave differences aside, find common ground' with Japan, which include this issue. Japanese dig shits out of deep hole, now nobody can ignore it anymore.

Noda said Japan will win if matter is referred to ICJ. Is he going to do that real soon?

Legally, in the eyes of the world, the islands are Japanese territory.

I guess, you are living in your own world?

Japanese envoys in New York said they could see no reason why sovereignty over the islands should be in doubt, but Noda said Japan would be confident of victory if the case were referred to the International Court of Justice.

Then he should proceed along that path, instead of wasting everybody's valuable time...

I am hopeful what an arrogant government official could bring about.

Japanese sovereignty claim over those islands is only supported by a demonized Chinese government?

Gemba, did you just piss on your own boots? How is your comment going to help current situation?

Is US going to be the umpire of ship bumping game?

To borrow a line thrown to S Korean by Japanese government: Why don't you bring the issue to ICJ if you are so confident your sovereignty?

Logically following that line, I can conclude that Japanese are not confident about its position. So it shuts door for dialogue, so it is afraid to bring the issue to ICJ, so it bought the islands....

So, that is what you get: Chinese surveillance ship...

So, ship bumping game has officially started, invitation sent...

Wanna have some fun in ship bumping game?

Well, I still do not understand how will islands buying will help Japanese cause.

China is playing with FIRE!!!

Both countries are!

@OssanAmerica

I'm not making a moral statement. I'm only stating what might happen. If Japan provokes China furthers then it's more likely for China to start a war with Japan.

I guess and I believe Chinese is not stupid enough to start war. In fact, it only need to keep pressure on. Japan will booster SDF around those islands. More tax payer's money waster. Then Japan will face 2 options:

Raise tax --> poorer Japan

Cut education --> more stupid...

If China really believed they owned the islands they would not be asking for a half way meet on the issue, they would outright demand compliance as was the case with England and the Falkland Islands.

That is exactly why I think it is plain wrong to play soft against Japan. Negotiation usually means give and take. If you do 'give' ground, (at least some) Japanese will believe you are wrong.

@JoeBigs

China is a paper tiger and Japan is not the Phillippines.

Agree, Phillippines are more civilised.

@JoeBigs

A Paper Tiger like China will have a rude awakening if it tangles with Japan, because what they will get will be the United States.

'Paper Tiger' is used by CCP to describe American. A copyright infringement will be served to you.

A likely sentence for you is:

buried in a shit hole until the island dispute settles.

Flyfalcon In fact, I believe, if Japan did not bring US into war game, it will concur China, and most SE asia, probably India, and even part of Russia. A huge empire. An empire so big (bigger than today's China + Mongolia), so that it has to relocate its capital from Tokyo to Beijing. Two hundred years later, on condition the world does not find its dead end by year end, Japan will become 'inseparable' part of China, with capital city Beijing.

Chamkun for 2) the islands was lost to Japan after 1895 war.

for 4) Russian answer is 'no territory changed hands in history without a war'. I hope/wish Japan is not as hardline as that. SK answer is 'there is no dispute'. Along same line as Japanese. So, I can NOT see why these two islands are easier.

I am not a historian, but several years back stumbled on a paper with picture showing that a mandarin king (not emperor) was assigned this island as summer tea farm resort.

The island was lost to Japan after war.

Shinchou was puppet government set up by Japan. It has no valid status in China

Russian own and run Kuril since 1940s, SK own and run Dokto since 1950s, do they have more right than Japan over Diaoyu? Then why Japan is still claiming those islands?

The CCP guideline for dealing with US and Japan is 'save difference, and find common ground'. They want to build economic to prove their 'legitimate' status. All out dispute was something they want to avoid as far as possible. The japanese coast guards just play ship bumping with fishing boats, Japanese activities on the island, Japanese govenment action, and Chinese protesters all push the Chinese Communist Party in the spotlight on this nonsense.

6 To borrow a line Japan government thrown to SK government, 'If you are some confident on your ownership, why don't you agree to bring the issue to ICJ?' Being a democratic government, Japan has more friend in ICJ than the perceived 'bad and evil' communist chinese government, and naturally has more hidden advantage. What is Japan government so afraid of to throw this line to China?

Instead of just south china sea islands, the code of conduct should include kuril, dokto, and diaoyu.

A uniform standard for evaluating merits of competing claims.

Let S korea take over NK, just like the way W Germany takes over E Germany, in return Korea exit from US alliance, and US dismantle Chinese containment.

A wildest dream that will not happen.

Logic breaks down when dealing with land dispute. One set of logic applies to Diaoyu, another to Dokto, another to Kuril, anymore? You can find anything in those so-called patriotic comments, except consistent logical thinking. Pour guys. Your arguments for Diaoyu severely damages your claims for Dokto and Kuril.

however your statement that "Japan has alienated all neighbors" is ridiculous.

I am talking about immediate neighbors. China have fine relationship with Cuba, Brazil,...., so what? Unless you redefine neighbors to be all countries on earth.

China is doing very well alienating these countries all be itself, thank you.

Japan has alienated all neighbors. The only one it has not yet is on the other side of Pacific.

Yet another similarity between Japan and China.

I believe Japan and China are very close and similar. Even though Japan is mentored by God send American, and China falls in the devious camp of communist. They both pretend to be peaceful yet they are aggressive. They both try to occupy moral high ground and accuse each other, yet they both are interest driven. They both pretend to defend their 'divine' homeland, but actually land grab from other country.

Based on these behavioral observation, I believe Japan and China are brothers - bad and worse. On bad scale of 0-100, big brother China score 99 and Japan 98. China lose 1 point because it make its own people richer in recent years. Japan lose 2 point because it is richest in the whole world and it has half baked democracy.

Long live Japan, long live China, and long live brotherhood.

Farmboy

I guess Chinese navy has already noticed that US has much, much bigger boats. They are really, really scared. They don't want US to get too close. That is why there is a warning. When a lion meets another, both show their teeth, then turn away with their own business.

You don't want to lose your good life. Neither do I, through US-Japan alliance, through US-ANZ alliance, just because of these stupid fanfares.

Just Ship bumping

Sure, Chinese is aggressive in South China sea.

But, Japan has been ship bumping for decades. From time to time, you see reports that fishing boats are bumped by Japanese coast guard.

If using same standard, Japanese are aggressive too.

The thing is, the US has mostly tried to stay out of it...

Some US personnel publicly declared that the islands are within defense perimeter

It reported a Japanese government guideline dictates that it can open fire at protesters.

US accused China of being 'more aggressive' in south china see. All chinese navy did was 'ship bumping'. That's kind of activity most loved by Japanese government, which is going for decades and never accused. Double standard applies.

Sure, I want to tell you, Mr Noda, the same message as well, regarding Diaoyu island.

Why not lead some die hard soldiers to Kurial and Tokdo?

Why doesn't Japan want to settle Diaoyu dispute in front of ICJ?

Because the island is controlled by Japan.

Why does it wanna settle Dokto in front of ICJ?

Because it is a loser.

Feel good about Dokto?