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That's how Stalin's Russia operated. 

No. That's always how America's film industry has acted.

Fatty Arbuckle's scandal/blacklisting almost 100 years ago and the McCarthy inspired Hollywood witch-hunts of the 1950s illustrates this fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscoe_Arbuckle#Scandal

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@FizzBit,

Not unconditionally.

Surrender was never truly unconditional as the U.S. cynically changed the surrender offer after nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign.

It was not until August 11, 1945 that the Allied response regarding surrender referred to the Emperor's continuing role in Japanese government and made it conditional to the authority of the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers.

The response states:

"the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied powers"

Sec. of War Stimson later explained,

"the Allied reply... implicitly recognized the Emperor's position by prescribing that his power must be subject to the orders of the Allied supreme commander".

This conditional surrender offer to keep the Emperor was only made after nuking civilian targets.

The Japanese government correctly interpreted this and other statements in the Allied surrender terms to mean that the Emperor could be retained. On August 14 the Emperor told Japan's cabinet,

"I have studied the Allied reply and concluded that it virtually acknowledges the position of our note [requesting the Emperor's retention] sent a few days ago. I find it quite acceptable."

According to Under Secretary of State, Joseph Grew:

"...in the light of available evidence I myself and others felt that if such a categorical statement about the [retention of the] dynasty had been issued in May, 1945, the surrender-minded elements in the [Japanese] Government might well have been afforded by such a statement a valid reason and the necessary strength to come to an early clearcut decision....If surrender could have been brought about in May, 1945, or even in June or July, before the entrance of Soviet Russia into the [Pacific] war and the use of the atomic bomb, the world would have been the gainer."

MacArthur biographer William Manchester has described MacArthur's reaction to the issuance by the Allies of the Potsdam Proclamation to Japan:

> "...the Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face 'prompt and utter destruction.' MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign.

Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur,

"He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."

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@Bill Murphy

As I wrote earlier, no one knows why he chucked BEFORE the filming. Please don’t pretend again that you know.

No one is pretending to know what exactly set him off. However, giggling on camera before announcing a mass slaughter with nuclear weapons is indicative of his mentality. Harry S Truman's feeble-minded racist statements and religious delusions quoted in my previous post reinforce these conclusions.

Best, as you might have it or biggest as I take it.

Truman was not one to mince words. It is likely he said "greatest" because he meant it. If he had "biggest" in mind he would have said it.

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With the Soviets there and the U.S. attacking from the South Pacific, and the person they'd hoped could mediate for them now an enemy, all Japan's options evaporated in one moment. And it had little to do with either nuclear bomb.

But the nukes as the decisive factor in the story remain convenient for both Japan and the U.S.--for the U.S. to minimize Soviet influence and justify guilt over using such terrible weapons,...

@Fouxdefa,

Excellent post. This article provides further background.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

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@Bill Murphy

However, Truman did this BEFORE his speech. I think it’s safe to assume that something was said to him shortly before the speech that made him laugh. 

Giggling on camera before announcing the mass murder of civilians with a nuclear weapon is a clear indicator of his mental state.

But, for someone to think with so little evidence that anyone (even Truman) would find the death of so many people assuming is ... Well, it’s hard to describe that psychology. Maybe you would like to explain it. 

Truman's own words reveal his psychology. Upon learning the news of the destruction of Hiroshima, Truman remarked, "This is the greatest thing in history."

Truman was also a racist prone to religious delusion:

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a NI&&ER or a Chinaman... THE LORD made a white man from dust, a NI&&ER from mud, and then threw what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I....We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction PROPHESIED in the Euphrates Valley Era, after NOAH and his FABULOUS Ark....This weapon is to be used against Japan....

@FritzX

your claim is completely groundless.

Truman's own words and actions prove otherwise.

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Posted in: Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? See in context

No, as horrible as that day was more lives we're saved because of it.

Nuking H&N saved no one as the Japanese had already sued for peace. Additionally, no land invasion would have taken place as Russian entry ended the war.

 no excuse for Japan to attack the base which killed 2403 people.

Nuking Hiroshima killed 3000 American civilians. Unquestionably a war crime.

http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/200712090010.html

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Posted in: Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? See in context

A Canadian victim of Hiroshima recounts his exploitation as a subject of Truman's Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission:

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/a-canadian-in-hiroshima

Truman's ABCC organization studied Hiroshima victims without providing any treatment or substantive medical care. Japanese were treated like lab rats for experimentation by the American government. As the ABCC wikipedia page states:

"The ABCC did not actually treat the survivors they studied, they just studied them over periods of time."

We also know Truman lied when he stated:

"The World will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians."

In fact, the primary targets at Hiroshima were residential in nature with the overwhelming majority of casualties being civilian. In fact, Honkawa Elementary school was mere meters from the epicenter of the Hiroshima nuke strike. 

Harry S Truman's approval of the decision to mass murder Hiroshima and Nagasaki's women and children was perhaps not surprising given his bizarre religious delusions and feeble-minded racism. According to Harry Truman:

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a NI&&ER or a Chinaman... THE LORD made a white man from dust, a NI&&ER from mud, and then threw what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I....We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction PROPHESIED in the Euphrates Valley Era, after NOAH and his FABULOUS Ark....This weapon is to be used against Japan...."

-Harry S Truman

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I watched the clip. Truman was chuckling. Why? Utorsa, you don’t know why. No context is provided. You just tried to fit it into your narrative. It’s an editing technique propagandists use.

Truman giggled prior to announcing the mass murders at Hiroshima. Context is provided. You just tried to avoid it. It's a technique propagandists use.

No proof at all, conclusive or otherwise.

You're entitled to your opinion. I place greater importance on the conclusions of Brig. Gen. Carter Clarke:

"......we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."

A Canadian victim of Hiroshima recounts his exploitation as an experimental subject of Truman's Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission:

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/a-canadian-in-hiroshima

Truman's ABCC organization studied Hiroshima victims without providing ANY treatment or substantive medical care. Japanese were treated like lab rats by the American government. As the ABCC wikipedia page states:

"The ABCC did not actually treat the survivors they studied, they just studied them over periods of time."

We also know Truman lied when he stated:

*“The World will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians***.**.”

In fact, the primary targets at Hiroshima were residential in nature with the overwhelming majority of casualties being civilian. In fact, Honkawa Elementary school was mere meters from the epicenter of the Hiroshima nuke strike. The fire-bombings and nuclear attacks on Japan were war crimes on par with the holocaust suffered by the Jews.

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Posted in: Nagasaki marks 73rd anniversary of U.S. atomic bombing See in context

Nuking hundreds of thousands of woman and children saved no lives. It is simply a laughable myth invented by the US government used to justify cynical and cowardly war crimes. Those who try to justify nuking children are similar to the Nazis who try to justify gassing Jews.

Harry S Truman's approval of the decision to mass murder Hiroshima and Nagasaki's women and children was perhaps not surprising given his bizarre religious delusions and feeble-minded racism. According to Harry Truman:

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a NI&&ER or a Chinaman... THE LORD made a white man from dust, a NI&&ER from mud, and then threw what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I....We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction PROPHESIED in the Euphrates Valley Era, after NOAH and his FABULOUS Ark....This weapon is to be used against Japan....

-Harry S Truman

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Posted in: Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? See in context

The nuking of H&N was the most disgusting and cowardly war crime ever committed. It was little more than a brutal and cynical live human experiment on women and children. The depravity and racism of the US government and military is apparent from Harry Truman's demented giggling prior to his announcement of the mass murders at Hiroshima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d42dMSAltnQ

See Kermit Beahan gloat as he claims responsibility for nuking the women and children of Nagasaki:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdJyOBriLTI&t=39s

As Brig. Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945, stated:

"….we brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."

As the historical record shows, six of the seven US WWII five star officers concluded that the nuking of hundreds of thousands of civilians was unnecessary. In fact, the nuking was one of the most brutal and cynical atrocities ever committed. As Admiral Chester W. Nimitz stated:

"The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war…."

Truman's own diaries show that he prolonged hostilities until the nukes were ready. We also know that he lied to the US public when he stated that Hiroshima was a "military target".

Prior to nuking Hiroshima, the U.S. military had already obliterated over 60 Japanese cities with napalm and white phosphorous. This conclusively proves that Hiroshima and Nagasaki had little value other than as an opportunity for the US military to conduct nuke testing on human subjects.

In this connection, Paul Tibbets is on record as stating that Hiroshima was set aside as a "virgin" test city. Additionally, the primary targets at Hiroshima were residential in nature with the overwhelming majority of casualties being civilian. In fact, Honkawa Elementary school was mere meters from the epicenter of the Hiroshima nuke strike. The fire-bombings and nuclear attacks on Japan were war crimes on par with the holocaust suffered by the Jews.

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Posted in: Hiroshima marks 73rd anniversary of U.S. atomic bombing See in context

The nuking of H&N was the most disgusting and cowardly war crime ever committed. It was little more than a brutal and cynical live human experiment on women and children. The depravity and racism of the US government and military is apparent from Harry Truman's demented giggling prior to his announcement of the mass murders at Hiroshima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d42dMSAltnQ

See Kermit Beahan gloat as he claims responsibility for nuking the women and children of Nagasaki:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdJyOBriLTI&t=39s

As Brig. Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945, stated:

"….we brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."

As the historical record shows, six of the seven US WWII five star officers concluded that the nuking of hundreds of thousands of civilians was unnecessary. In fact, the nuking was one of the most brutal and cynical atrocities ever committed.

As Admiral Chester W. Nimitz stated:

"The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war…."

Truman's own diaries show that he prolonged hostilities until the nukes were ready. We also know that he lied to the US public when he stated that Hiroshima was a "military target".

Prior to nuking Hiroshima, the U.S. military had already obliterated over 60 Japanese cities with napalm and white phosphorous. This conclusively proves that Hiroshima and Nagasaki had little value other than as an opportunity for the US military to conduct nuke testing on human subjects.

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@Samit Basu

Japanese have shown willingness to die rather than surrender, with countless Banzai charges and Kamikaze attacks. Now imagine schoolgirls and grandmas doing that, which was the real fear at the US military.

So it was necessary to nuke hundreds of thousands of women and children because you think the US military feared schoolgirls with sticks? I see......

Emperor Hirohito's own speech citing the nukes as the reason for surrender but never mentioned the Soviet declaration of war against Japan.

Incorrect. The Emperor's imperial rescript surrender speech to Japanese troops mentioned the Soviets but made no acknowledgement of the bombs.

https://apjjf.org/-tsuyoshi-hasegawa/2501/article.html

BTW, the US WARNED the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to evacuate the cities via leaflets days in advance.

Wrong. Your source states the following:

"These leaflets did not directly reference the atomic bomb, and it is unclear whether they were used to warn citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically. The second round features a picture of a mushroom cloud and a message about the Soviet invasion (which commenced on August 9). The historical record is unclear, but it seems as though these leaflets did not make it to Nagasaki until after it, too, had been hit by an atomic bomb."

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Seeking re-election is different from unilaterally declaring oneself to have no term limit as Xi Jinping has done. It is the classic tactic of a dictator to declare oneself to have no term limit after taking power.

Chinese have tradition to accept leaders for 1000 years if he is beloved and if he can live that long.

Define "beloved" in this context please. Is Xi "beloved" enough by those under his control to be dictator for life according to what you feel is a Chinese "tradition"? Please provide concrete evidence of Xi's "beloved" status.

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Serve for life an no term limit are essentially the same given a leader that declares himself to have no term limit even though he was chosen on the explicit understanding his term would be a short, fixed period. Many dicators throughout history have used the same path to control.

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Agreed. We are at a "very different levels". You need to study and read the original document of the Chinese constitution. Serving more that two terms was not explicitly permitted.

Even in China there has been much debate over the planned amendment of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) constitution, allowing the president and vice president to serve more than two terms in office. This is common knowledge.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/xi-jinping-rising-dictator-or-another-east-asian-strongman/

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Sorry, but simple ad hominem is not an argument.

Here is a similar article on Xi Jinping's attempt to go against China's constitution and become "Dictator for life".

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/xi-jinping-rising-dictator-or-another-east-asian-strongman/

Amusingly, the article is from exactly the same news source you cited for your article "History and the Possibility of Taiwan-Japan Relations". Can we thus conclude that you know nothing about the world? 

According to the article:

Internally, Xi has also tightened his grip on information flows, for example by increasing internet restrictions and arresting citizens promoting anti-CCP ideology. These are all characteristics of a rising dictator aiming to remove his opposition and reassert total control over the country.

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Then why is China saying their military exercises are intended to threaten Taiwan? Isn't that contrary to peace and working together? Please explain.

Shouldn't you be asking that question to The General Secretary of the Communist Party of China? According to The Guardian newspaper, Xi Jinping recently tried to go against China's constitution in an effort to become "Dictator for life".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/04/xi-jinping-from-president-to-china-new-dictator

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Who are "those people" who would "sacrifice the whole planet"? How have "they" destroyed the "greatest culture on earth"? Indeed, what is the greatest culture on earth? Does that not depend somewhat on one's perspective and biases?

Why not try to work together for peace and try to win hearts and minds instead of threatening fellow humans with military exercises and war?

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Akie,

Thanks for the link but it still doesn’t answer my question.

Former President Lee Teng-hui made comments supporting Japan’s collective right to self defense. How does this make Taiwanese “current terrorists” who “favor Japan colonial occupation”?

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Akie,

North America was Native Indian territory since ancient times. It is the same. Should explorers from Europe be allowed to control Taiwan because they call it "a new found land"?

What "terrorists" are in Taiwan and how are they linked to what you claim to be "colonial Japan imperialism"? Please provide credible internet links.

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@Akie,

Taiwan is a part of Chinese territory, by modern law and by ancient history, totally different from Canada and USA. North America is not the same as Europe, not the same location, not the same history, not the same people, not the same culture.

Demonstrably false. Canada and USA share the same history, culture and language with Europe. In fact, Canada and The United States were founded by Europeans.

The current terrorists in Taiwan who seek independence are those who favor Japan colonial occupation. 

What Taiwanese "current terrorists" are agitating for "Japan colonial occupation"? Please provide your sources for this statement.

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Novichok nerve poison is only used by the Russian government. The discovery that Novichok was used is a smoking gun that the Russian government conducted a hideous terrorist attack on British soil that has harmed innocent British citizens. Truly a cowardly act. 

As those who organised the hit must have known, the trail goes directly back to Moscow. The incident even took place down the road from Porton Down, the government’s military research base, which swiftly tested and identified the toxin.

All of which means Putin and his FSB spy agency have probably sought to engineer a confrontation with the UK. Why now?

The most obvious answer is Sunday’s presidential election. True, Putin is guaranteed to win. He has scarcely bothered campaigning. But the Kremlin remains worried about turnout, amid widespread voter apathy and calls from Alexei Navalny, Russia’s most prominent opposition politician, to boycott the vote. The authorities want to the poll to look authentic, even if it isn’t.

Over the next few days, state TV channels will pump out this message: Moscow is again the victim of a western conspiracy. Russia under siege is a favourite Kremlin theme. Conflicts with the west can bear some fruit: Putin has maintained the bump in his nominal popularity rating after his annexation of Crimea, despite western condemnation and sanctions. The wave of patriotism that followed also split the Russian opposition.

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Posted in: Trump fires Secretary of State Tillerson on Twitter; replaces him with CIA chief Pompeo See in context

Mike Pompeo has voiced his support for torture. Pompeo criticised the administration of former president Barack Obama for closing "black sites" - secret prisons used to interrogate suspects overseas - and the requirement for interrogators to adhere to anti-torture laws.

Trump's new CIA chief Gina Haspel oversaw horrific tortures at an American government site in Thailand. Torture included repeated slamming into walls by the head, incarceration in coffin-like boxes and in one man's case, 83 waterboardings in one month.

CIA videos of the torture were destroyed on the orders of a cable drafted by Haspel.

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@JeffLee,

Every year you trot out the same context-less, cherry-picked quotes, which I then feel obliged to rip apart. I dont have the energy to go thru all that again.

Every year you trot out the same opinions while claiming (without any supporting documentation) to "rip apart" quotes from mainstream historians, politicians and military leaders. Still waiting evidence supporting your opinions.

Only to point out, In its "suing for peace," Japan insiste it hold on to Korea and Manchuria....

Incorrect. In a private letter to Navy historian Robert G. Albion concerning a clearer assurance that the Emperor would not be displaced, Admiral L. Lewis Strauss observed:

This was omitted from the Potsdam declaration and as you are undoubtedly aware was the only reason why it was not immediately accepted by the Japanese who were beaten and knew it before the first atomic bomb was dropped. 

As Brigadier General Carter W. Clarke stated:

We brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

Brigadier Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945

Japan did however, surrender to the US earlier -- right after and because of the a-bombings. 

Incorrect. Japan surrendered to the US earlier because of the Russian entry into the war:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

The emporer even said so in his famous speech. But what does he know, eh? He only made the final decision

The Emperor's imperial rescript surrender speech to Japanese troops made no acknowledgement of the bombs.

https://apjjf.org/-tsuyoshi-hasegawa/2501/article.html

In his speech to the soldiers and sailors, especially die-hard officers who might still wish to continue fighting, the emperor did not mention the atomic bomb. Rather, it was Soviet participation in the war that provided a more powerful justification to persuade the troops to lay down their arms.

The emperor did refer to bombs in his imperial rescript to the general Japanese population. However he also stated in the same speech:

We declared war....out of Our sincere desire to secure....stabilization of East Asia, it being far from Our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.

I suppose you believe everything the Emperor said?

What motivated Hirohito to surrender to the U.S. was neither a pious wish to bring peace to humanity nor a sincere desire to save the people and the nation from destruction, as his imperial rescript stated and as the myth of the emperor’s “sacred decision” would have Americans eager to justify nuking civilians believe. More than anything else, it was a sense of personal survival and deep responsibility to maintain the imperial house (which Russian occupation would most certainly have dismantled), which had lasted in unbroken lineage since the Jinmu emperor.

The Japanese continued fighting the Soviets until September.

Japanese stragglers from the IJA were still resisting the Americans in the 1970s. 

Nuking hundreds of thousands of innocent women saved no one and was simply a cynical live human experiment on a people deemed subhuman by American propaganda.

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@JeffLee

Nice quote. Too bad it isn't true.

Wrong. I suggest you learn the meaning of "sue for peace". As Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz correctly stated, Japan had, in fact, already sued for peace.

They were in no mood to surrender, until the Nagasaki bombing

Incorrect. Russian entry into the war forced Japan to surrender. Nagasaki was simply a cynical live human experiment on innocent civilians.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

Russia's entry into the Japanese war was the decisive factor in speeding its end and would have been so even if no atomic bombs had been dropped

Air Force General Claire Chennault

We brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

Brigadier Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945

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Nice quote. Too bad it isn't true.

Wrong. I suggest you learn the meaning of "sue for peace". As Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz correctly stated, Japan had, in fact, already sued for peace.

They were in no mood to surrender, until the Nagasaki bombing

Incorrect. Russian entry into the war forced Japan to surrender. Nagasaki was simply a cynical live human experiment on innocent civilians.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

Russia's entry into the Japanese war was the decisive factor in speeding its end and would have been so even if no atomic bombs had been dropped. . . . 

Air Force General Claire Chennault

We brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

Brigadier Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945

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@Kabukilover,

I have been to conferences and read journals that blamed the U.S. with fake history. Example: The utter lie that Japan attempted to surrender multiple times but the U.S. ignored it.

Donald Trump also complains about "fake news" when confronted with inconvenient truths:

We brought them [the Japanese] down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

Brigadier Gen. Carter W. Clarke, the officer in charge of preparing MAGIC intercepted cable summaries in 1945

[T]he use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. . . .[I]n being the first to use it, we . . . adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.

Admiral William D. Leahy

Privately, on June 18, 1945--almost a month before the Emperor's July intervention to seek an end to the war and seven weeks before the atomic bomb was used--Leahy recorded in his diary:

It is my opinion at the present time that a surrender of Japan can be arranged with terms that can be accepted by Japan and that will make fully satisfactory provisions for America's defense against future trans-Pacific aggression. 

Admiral William D. Leahy

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war..... The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.

Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz

The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of J#ps, but the J#ps had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before.

 

Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet

In a private letter to Navy historian Robert G. Albion concerning a clearer assurance that the Emperor would not be displaced, Admiral L. Lewis Strauss observed:

 

This was omitted from the Potsdam declaration and as you are undoubtedly aware was the only reason why it was not immediately accepted by the Japanese who were beaten and knew it before the first atomic bomb was dropped. 

Admiral L. Lewis Strauss

Russia's entry into the Japanese war was the decisive factor in speeding its end and would have been so even if no atomic bombs had been dropped. . . . 

Air Force General Claire Chennault

It was sad to see sincere antiwar people....hooking up ideologically (without realizing it) with the LDP and the Japanese right-wing.

No different than hooking up with the American right-wing eager to justify the mass murder of women and children with nukes.

If there was one war crime the US did commit: it was not bombing the Imperial Palace and the Navy and Army headquarters a few blocks away.

In reality, the American military targeted elementary school students for nuclear annihilation. Honkawa elementary school being meters from the epicenter of the Hiroshima bomb.

That I believe would have ended the war faster and likely made the A-bombs unnecessary.

Nuking hundreds of thousands of children and women was never necessary except in the minds of right-wing extremists and their supporters.

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@JeffLee

The emperor's own surrender speech acknowledgment, throughly documented, isn't good enough for you. 

The Emperor's imperial rescript surrender speech to Japanese troops made no acknowledgement of the bombs.

https://apjjf.org/-tsuyoshi-hasegawa/2501/article.html

In his speech to the soldiers and sailors, especially die-hard officers who might still wish to continue fighting, the emperor did not mention the atomic bomb. Rather, it was Soviet participation in the war that provided a more powerful justification to persuade the troops to lay down their arms.

The emperor did refer to bombs in his imperial rescript to the general Japanese population. However he also stated in the same speech:

We declared war....out of Our sincere desire to secure....stabilization of East Asia, it being far from Our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.

I suppose you believe everything the emperor said in this particular speech?

What motivated Hirohito was neither a pious wish to bring peace to humanity nor a sincere desire to save the people and the nation from destruction, as his imperial rescript stated and as the myth of the emperor’s “sacred decision” would have Americans eager to justify nuking civilians believe. More than anything else, it was a sense of personal survival and deep responsibility to maintain the imperial house (which Russian occupation would most certainly have dismantled), which had lasted in unbroken lineage since the Jinmu emperor.

Truman's Interim Committee of experts spent over a month running thru the scenarios, concluding that 2 uses of the a-bomb would quickly effect Japan's surrender at that point of time,

Demonstrably false. Even Truman himself knew that Russian entry into the war would quickly effect Japan's surrender. As Truman's 7/17/45 diary entry states:

He'll [Stalin and Russia] be in the Japanese War on August 15th. Fini Japanese when that comes about.

Nuking Japanese civilians was simply a cynical live human test much like The Guatemala Syphilis Experiment that American government was setting up at the same time.

...the a-bomb would quickly effect Japan's surrender at that point of time,

Russian entry into the war forced Japan to surrender and rendered a large-scale invasion of Japan unnecessary.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

ending most of the killing then talking place in Asia (50,000 deaths a week)

The killing in Asia only intensified after the bombs. Some American sources cite that Mao alone went on to kill 80 million Chinese. Shortly after WWII ended the American government was also shipping French troops back to re-invade Vietnam leading to decades of pointless slaughter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1994/07/17/how-many-died-new-evidence-suggests-far-higher-numbers-for-the-victims-of-mao-zedongs-era/01044df5-03dd-49f4-a453-a033c5287bce/?utm_term=.2c84dbead3ac

and rendering a large-scale invasion of Japan unnecessary, whose death loss amounted to close to a million. 

A laughable figure invented as an ex-post facto rationalization by the very same people trying to justify the war crime of genocidally slaughtering hundreds of thousands of women and children with nukes.

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clamenza - The American government suppressed film footage of Hiroshima’s human casualties for years after WWII. See the links in my previous posts.

Nuking hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children saved no one. It was simply a cynical live human live human experiment on a people deemed subhuman by American propaganda.

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It wasn't until the 1950s that newsreel footage of Hiroshima casualties became somewhat available in the United States via theaters specializing in semi-legal pornographic movies. It was much later that the footage was available to mainstream American audiences.

This interview with Noam Chomsky explains: "When the U.S. laughed at Hiroshima".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYYxvAtNoX4

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