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Posted in: Palestinians submit U.N. statehood bid See in context

@Ben_Jackinoff

That sure was an awful lot of words just to say "no comment".

:)

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Posted in: Palestinians submit U.N. statehood bid See in context

@Lieberman2012

Netanyahu is right.The UN is a House of Lies.

@WilliB

That Abbas wants

I can't help but wonder why pro-Israelis on any forum are always very much respectful of people who disagree with them, even when it's a majority like the international community. Last time I disagreed with a pro-Israeli on Japan Today, I was accused of: Spreading Hate and Thinking like Hamas. So I will refrain from commenting this time, as I had a good day today and don't want to get rubbished for just stating my opinion.

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Posted in: Obama, Europeans press Palestinians to drop U.N. bid See in context

@Ben_Jackinoff

I've read your posts carefully, and previously I responded to the facts you mentioned and your reasoning, and why I think it has errors. What makes a discussion with you difficult is that you jump through discussion layers and switch between general-specific modes, and when I go talking about them we move to a more general topic (like conflict over twenty years). I talk about numbers like saying that past month the Israeli government has approved plans for constructing additional 6700 housing units in settlements in the west bank (the settlements which are condemned by not only the international community and Israeli's closest ally the US, but also by some major political process in Israel), and you respond with a general phrase like Israel occupies/controls foreign land today less than in the past. And this is what I call jumping between discussion layers, which is a good practice for persuasive dialog, but unhealthy for studying facts and reasoning. I don't believe that you know more than me about the conflict for good reasons, neither I believe that I know more than you for the same reasons. I know for sure that if we have been talking for hours I wouldn't be able to reach a conclusion with you, mind you on a forum. Still, each one has his/her own beliefs, but looking forward to see what the international community decide in the upcoming hours and days. Good luck.

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Posted in: Obama, Europeans press Palestinians to drop U.N. bid See in context

@Ben_Jackinoff

Egypt's actions were acts of war. They started it, not Israel. This is true in the 50's and 60's.

You mention the abstract word actions and don't get into details, I went through the details, and all your response Egypt's actions. Not sure how you can argue this way.

Doesn't this mean the Palestinians would actually have to stay at the table long enough to negotation and not get up and walk away?

They did sit on the table for almost twenty years, and during that period Israel has only increased its settlements on the west bank, and still doing so. They can't keep negotiating while Israeli are occupying more land every week. Only in the past month Israel had plans to expand settlements with more than 6700 housing units.

Can I ask? Why is it you write so much incorrect information?

I talked about vetos numbers in previous posts and settlement numbers now, these were statistics. I reiterated over your arguments, and you answered in an abstract and fogy way (using the word actions instead of going into reasons). First, you accused me of posting false facts, later in a deleted post for you accused me of thinking like Hamas (although I'm not even a Muslim), now you say that I write much incorrect information. My friend, don't you think that you need to be a little more respectful to people who disagree with your opinion (call them facts if you want).

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Posted in: Obama, Europeans press Palestinians to drop U.N. bid See in context

@labelle

Palestinians could have had statehood in the past, most recently in 2000 or 2008, offered by Barak and Olmert.

Nice, do you mean that Palestinians lost an opportunity to get a state that Barack and Olmert offered? How about Israeli's accept the borders according to Abbas's or Yasser Arafat's condition? Or does this seems crazy, but not the other way around. Yes, talking about arrogance.

As for the UN resolution, there is already one that still to be executed from Israel since 1967: Israel should withdrawn from Westbank and Joulan, and Israeli's can live happy ever after as much as they want. On another occasion back in 2000, the Saudi king Abdullah has offered Israel natural relations, both political and economic, with 22 Arab States, and all he asked Israeli's for was to adhere to 1967's UN resolution. But then this logic of Israeli Politicians creeps in, why give if we don't have to?

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Posted in: Obama, Europeans press Palestinians to drop U.N. bid See in context

@Ben_Jackinoff

Prior to 56 Egypt had restricted Israel's access to the Suez. A UN resolution called on them to stop doing this.

They UN had a resolution, so what? Does this gives Israel the right to attack member of the international community. And it's Egyptian's right to decide who can pass the channel and who not, provided that the channel is artificial and was built through Egyptian labor. Peaceful solution or not, in the end it should have been solved through international community. Another example is Iran. Iran's navy was denied to have access to Suiz channel for the past few decades, unlike Israel which can roam free now. So what now? Should the Iranians resort to aggression against Egypt, like the responsible state of Israel did in 1956? And the fact that you say Egyptians brought this onto themselves is a quite arrogant way of looking at this. Here is a contrary view, though has much arrogance as your statement, Israel's actions today are bringing its own destruction. Are you happy with this logic? If not, then you should be able to understand how the other side feels when you say something like Egyptians brought this onto themselves.

And the fact that Israel had issues with the PLO on the Lebanese borders doesn't mean that Israel has the right to occupy southern Lebanon for almost 20 years.

Funny you talk about a single UN resolution in 1956, and you ignore more than 30 resolutions that were vetoed by the US during the past thirty years, and tens of resolutions that passed, but had no reaction or whatsoever from Israel.

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Posted in: NYPD monitored where Muslims ate, shopped, prayed See in context

@Lieberman2012

Political groups get monitored and islam is a political movement as much as a religion. I just can't get worked up over this.

Then where are the numbers on monitoring AIPAC? (or that doesn't bother you either)

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Posted in: NYPD monitored where Muslims ate, shopped, prayed See in context

Just a fact that I want to point out. I see a comment by Super Lib:

Wow, I don't think I've read an article this poorly written in quite some time.

And HumanTarget replies:

How so?

And so far I see rating +1 to SuperLib and -1 to HumanTarget. Put the +1 aside, can anyone explain to me the reason to rate a comment that asks for a clarification negatively. It just shows just how "open-minded" are the people who follow the propaganda blindly against a thread of fictional enemies (first the soviet headache, now Islamophobia).

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@HumanTarget

Yep my friend, this wraps it all up. No one of these religions is better than any else, not from an outsider's point of view. They can argue all they want (the three of them), but statistics and historical facts are not their friend (none of them).

It just amazes me how people like HonestDictator and WilliB go so far in analyzing other religions. Take WilliB for example, he digs deep enough in Islam to know the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim's territories, and arguing about that, while missing many of the dirty details in religions dominant in the west, which I assume he follows provided that he has such a subjective view on Islam (as people who do not follow any of these three Abrahamic religions tend to be more objective).

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@WilliB

Very few. How often do you hear talk about a world-wide Buddhist nation? And it does not make much sense, either because Buddhism does not come with a constitution.

You have to be kidding me. You take the most peaceful religion (Buddhism) as an example to compare to Islam. Please focus more on other Abrahamic (Judaism and Christianity) and compare them. Both in terms of loyalty to the country versus religious beliefs. And assuming that you're an American, I'm not going to educate you on the statements of many American officials that prioritized Israel's safety over national security out of pure religious belief that both religions share a common enemy.

Yet again, please be objective.

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@HonestDictator

Remember the recent split of Southern Sudan and Northern Sudan?

I remember it. What exactly you want to say is not clear? The majority of southerns are Christians, but that doesn't mean that they separated because of oppression. Don't jump to conclusions if you are not well aware of the circumstances. The major problem was a corrupted northern ruling party that is unwilling to share power (neither with the Christians or other Islamic parties, like Hassan Al-Turabi's). Please be accurate in your statements as this is the 6th-10th time I find false accusations in the 4-6 posts you had.

@WilliB

That is the problem right there, and alas this is typical for muslim immigration all over the world. The ummah precedes any national identity.

Same is true for millions of pro-Israel Jews in the U.S. Though unlike Muslims, they managed to push the U.S. into unnecessary wars, vetos in security councils that negatively affected the image of the U.S. world wide, and god knows what else. Need I to refer you to papers concluded by respective U.S. professors on this issue. Just to be safe that I wouldn't be accused of antisemitism. Please be objective in your arguments.

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@BreitbartVictorious

People like you never get the crucial difference - Mohammedan terrorists use their religion ...

It's obvious that you didn't even bother to read the comments written by others before you on this post, or you wouldn't have declared such a naive and arrogant statement. I assume that you watch t.v. news in the same spirit.

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@HonestDictator

Its Islam vs all religions and "non-believers"

I don't think you caught my main idea. You say that Islam is fundamentally corrupted because of core beliefs values within the religion (like treatment of people of other religions and non-believers, which I'm well aware of), and that this core produces radical behavior.

Now, I don't agree with you on the fact that the corrupted core of Islam produces radicals. Radicals, from my point of view and as history taught us, are produced by the political, economical and social conditions. This is true for radical Muslims, as well as for radical Christians in the 15th century, even as well as for radicals among football fans. If the existence of radical Muslims is an indicator of the corrupted core of Islam, then the existence of radical Christians should be an indicator of the corrupted core of Christianity (which is not true).

That said, you can't blame Islam's fundamentals for what is happening. Islam's fundamentals are as harmful as the fundamental's of Judaism. I don't believe that people who are taught that they are god chosen ones are very much better than Muslims for whom deep inside, you will always be Kafir (non-believer) to them. But again, the problem with radicals that we were facing in the past centuries has few to do with fundamental teachings of every religion, and more with the environment/conditions.

The multiple wars that the west is having in Muslim countries, in which civilian casualties will always be Muslims as wars held in their countries, causes a serious problem. Both Western (Americans especially) and Muslims watch the same story but react very differently. An American sees a soldier from his country dies an reacts in a way. The Muslim see a child or a woman die and reacts in another (which is much more negative provided that the casualty is not only a civilian but often happens to be a child). In terms of hatred generated on both sides, you will have more on the Muslim side, which will end up being balanced through terrorist attacks (call it karma if you want).

The solution for the problem is not through wars or arrogant comments. There is a gap, both cultural and economical, and it needs to be bridged.

P.S. For those in the west who see themselves victims, I dare you to count the civilian casualties in western countries (from terrorist attacks) and in Muslim countries that have war and western armies are directly involved (be it for the last year or the last decade). If you have something like 1 western civilian to 10-50 Muslim civilians, then you should be able to understand why more radicals are produced among Muslims. And the fact that western civilians are killed outside of war zones unlike the Muslim ones means little to the average Muslim person, as a civilian is a civilian after all no matter were he/she dies. So don't expect them to be much sympathetic to terrorist attacks victims of western countries.

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@HonestDictator

Well, once again the naivete shows through.

Your post is no better my friend as it much lacks accuracy, and is misleading at times as the historical events that you mentioned lack a proper context. Don't even want to get started as it will take much effort, and I'm very sure that in the end it will be futile.

If you were comparing religions, then you should probably referred to more recent events (the Crusades 500 years ago) instead of going to event 1200 years ago which had less magnitude in terms of numbers of casualties and brutality.

As far as religion is concerned, Christianity and Judaism are no better than Islam, as both had disgraceful periods where a lot of blood was shed.

And to be frank I'm fed up with the followers of the three religions picking on each other (who is fundamentally better and who is fundamentally worse), and dragging all of the nations into their conflicts every few hundred years.

Today, Islam has more followers/radicals who are willing to shed the blood of the innocent, not long ago (500-600) years, it was Christianity that had more followers/radicals who are willing to shed the blood of the innocent. Before that one of them, and before that another. Pretty much like the cycle of seasons. So you can leave your fundamental analysis aside (again, I will not talk about accuracy).

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

@WilliB

...I wonder if Pew asked them who then should be singled out for surveillance against islamist terrorism.... Buddhists, Bahais or Jain perhaps? Just how many terrorist acts have they committed?

Maybe European rightists, radical Christians in the US, radical Hindus, and god knows who.

It mind-boggling how this group can get away playing victim instead of addressing the issue in their midst.

Mind boggling is how some/many people tend see the world in black and white terms, maybe out of arrogance. While terrorists are mainly to blame for terrorist attacks, one has to ask why (some) countries are targeted while others not. Why not Japan for example is being targeted by these Muslim radicals? Maybe because they don't send their forces left and right where they are not being asked for. Iraq for example.

Everything is very simple. If we have riots in London, what's the problem? Blame the scum. If terrorist attacks committed by radical Muslims, what's the problem? blame the radical Muslims, and so on. With this, we can have a peace of mind. Never question our own actions, never question our government's actions, never take responsibility for the people who we elect (G.W. Bush for example). No nothing. The problem is obviously somewhere else, always.

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Posted in: 52% of U.S. Muslims feel targeted by terror policies See in context

Just my two cents on the fact that Muslims should object. When Al-Quaeda was in its peak in Iraq around 2006-2009, they had some regions under their control in Iraq. Being faithful the quaeda guys and very well mannered, surely they didn't, and objected, smoking. All good so far, problem though, is that if they don't smoke, nobody else should - it's a distraction from god's faith after all. To enforce the law, they started cutting the fingers of people who smoke.

Well my friend, for sure you wouldn't listen to condemnation of radicals from the Iraqis, unless they get off the quaeda of their butts first.

Iraq is not an exceptional case. During last world cup, sharia enforcement forces in Somalia checked into homes, and were executing people who were watching football matches. After all, for them it seemed nonsense to watch football matches during wartime (yet another distraction, just like smoking), so people who watched matches had no right to live.

Similar stories in Pakistan too regarding music, no need to go into details.

To be frank, I much hate when we over simplify things. These people should do, should have done, etc. Have you ever been in a war zone or neighboring radicals? I never did, so I try not judge people who live in conditions different than mine.

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Posted in: Kan visits Fukushima to apologize over no-go zones See in context

I remember few days ago someone did bet that Kan will not bother to visit disaster areas to apologize after resigning. Now, it's something like this: yes he did visit, but he was the one to blame to begin with.

The inefficiency in handling the problems that emerged is to be blamed on both LDP and DPJ for not being able to get around the small and silly conflicts they had when the whole nation was in crisis. Looking at the whole issue from a side, I believe that there is something wrong with the Japanese politics in general that produce such corrupted and bureaucratic behavior. That said, if everyone responsible for the problems were to quit then Japan would have been left with no politicians at all.

So in my humble opinion, the resignation was meaningless to begin with. But at least this should make LDP happier now that their chances in the next elections are better with a crumbling ruling party (like 50 years in power were not enough for them).

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Posted in: Israeli aircraft hit Gaza; 1 dead, 4 wounded See in context

@BreitbartVictorious

Not so sure on that score, steve. We don't see Israelis burning down their own neighborhoods, looting and rioting, do we.

Well, if you lived in the same conditions, we will see how you would act. What's happening in the Arab world is a revolution on dictatorships. And compared to the French and Russian revolutions, things went relatively smoothly. Partly because people are now much better educated.

What can't be considered a revolution though is what happened in England only a week ago. So what do you propose BreitbartVictorious, to bombard them too? Talking about England, I believe that such riots needs to be analyzed intelligently, and lessons should be drawn from accordingly. Never for a second I had disregard for England when I saw the riots.

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Posted in: Israeli aircraft hit Gaza; 1 dead, 4 wounded See in context

@SuperLib and WilliB

The Palestinian attack isn't reported on until Israel responds, then the response is headlined as "Israel attacks."

Well, my friend. A news like "rocket fire on southern Israel on Monday night that caused no injuries" really has not much news in it. But "and a 5-year-old boy" among killed can surely catch some attention from the readers. Though, not all of the readers seem to be interested on the latter fact, based on both of your comments.

To be frank, I rarely comment on the issue as for me it's meaningless to convince pro-israeli's of conflict's statistics, so the numbers below are not meant for you but for other readers:

For the past 30-40 years, the US has issued more than 32 vetos on security council resolutions that were against Israel. Which is more than the sum of all of the vetos issued by the US on all other issues in the same period. Surely, the international community doesn't share your, and Israeli's belief, in self protection or what soever. But what do they know. Israel has 200-300 nuclear war-heads illegally (in terms that they have no arrangement or whatsoever with the Nuclear Agency or Security Council). Yes, the same weapons they are condemning Iran for trying to have. If you are interested in fresh news only, here are some: Only in the past week, Israeli government have agreed on new around 7000 housing units in Israeli settlements (yes, the same settlements condemned by the international community which includes not Europe only, but the US also).

Of course I will not waste other reader's time on other minor issues like the fact that the Israeli citizen consumes in average 6 times water more than the Palestinian (the same water that Israel consumes illegally from Palestinian water reserves, basically, wells in the Palestinian territory but happens to be nearby Israeli settlements). There are some frightening statistics on this issue, but unfortunately I don't remember them.

So basically, these are some statistics to shed light on some facts regarding the conflict, with no condemnation for the editorial staff of JT or whatsoever (like your comment, which claimed that their opinion is very much biased). Maybe you could be kind enough to us and share the statistics you have. Just please bear in mind that reiterating over the fact that Israel has all right to defend its citizens is not considered statistics.

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Posted in: Missing U.S. teacher's body located in Ishinomaki See in context

Sad that some commenters turned this into a nationality issue. Not a US citizen and rarely agree with the US policy but still: 1- The teacher was last seen after the earthquake riding her bike away from an Ishinomaki elementary school after making sure parents picked up their children. 2- At an extremely difficult time that usually leads us to be selfish, her parents said: "Please continue to pray for all who remain missing and for the people of Japan.".

If anything, this should show how very good and respectful she and her parents are (the apple doesn't fall far from the tree). I think her parents are very much honored to have such a kid.

The fact that another 22,000 people lost their lives doesn't mean that we should disrespect or not sympathize with individual people.

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Posted in: Message for Mubarak See in context

@tclh

"How do we know that they are Mubarak supporters?" Well, simple: 1- Few thousands of Mubarak supporters gathered at Tahreer square, attacked protesters with rocks, white weapons (knives, etc.) and molotov cocktails (yes, the hand-made fire bombs). When many of the caught by the protesters and investigated, they appeared to have IDs that clearly show that officially they are what many of us call "policemen".

If you don't understand what means Mubarak police I will give you a simple example that had a year ago. Some police in Cairo arrested a cab driver last year (apparently for a very silly reason). At the police station, the man was beaten and raped. How do we know? Well, they, yes the policemen, posted the video on youtube to make fun of the guy.

Still not convinced "tclh", look at the photo above. The beaten head (in a picture raised by some of the protesters in Japan) is for a guy called Khaled. He was beaten to death, and in the photo you see his beaten death. The police say that his death is caused by swallowing mariguana. Does his bashed head with lost teeth, in the photo you see yourself, give you the impression that he died because of swallowing mariguana. It might be necessary to mention that the case has been run for few months now, and until now no police officer has been charged.

Not enough, about a couple month ago, the Egyptian policemen killed somebody on the street (don't remember his name). How do people know you say? Because the policemen tied victim's beaten body to the police cab, and drove him for about 500 meters in front of tens of people. Was anybody charged you ask? Not yet.

In my region, people follow 3-5 news resources at least 3 hours a days, because it is of a large concern for everyone here. Not to mention, that we here story from Egyptian people who has families in Egypt. So saying that we can't blame Mubarak's innocent people until we have a proof, is baseless, since apparently the only one who needs proof is you in this case.

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Posted in: Message for Mubarak See in context

@Fredster No need to lose respect for the Egyptian protesters, you just need to follow the news more carefully if you plan to pass judgement on others.

Just to clarify the picture: 1- Protesters are not the ones attacking the journalists, why do they need to? After all, their message is reaches the world through these same journalists. The journalists attacks started heavily since Saturday, why you ask? Because the protesters had plans to arrange a multi-million people protest on Friday. As such, pro Husni Mubarak forces started the necessary preparations to shut up the voices, these preparations include: Beating journalists, checking journalists at the hotels that border the Tahreer Square and issuing them orders to leave. Yes, that has happened on Saturday.

2- People started to defend their neighborhoods few days after the uprising since pro Husni Mubarak forces (police in casual clothes) launched attacks on them, why you ask? Because these forces replicate the Tunisian handling of the revolution on their part, basically terrorizing citizens to convince them that they are paying for the revolution at the cost of public peace.

Just to illustrate to readers how low life these pro Husni Mubarak forces, yesterday a diplomatic car was driven into an area crowded by protesters hitting 10-20 people. Later, the US embassy in Egypt reported that they had a diplomatic car stolen earlier. I'm quite sure it's not that protesters are hitting other protesters, more probable is that the Husni Mubarak regime angered by the US reaction to the protests (which include demanding Mubarak to leave), wanted to turn the protesters against the US by doing this stupid move, which is as stupid as all the measures they have taken so far.

Not that I'm against people not reading/following enough on the issue, but I'm against posting baseless judgement on others.

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