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to not "conform"

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

Betzee We live in a sound bite society. To not confirm risks not being hear or rememebered. e.g. John McCain - "Country First", Barack Obama - "Change We Can Believe In", George W Bush "I'm the decider", George H Bush "Read my lips no new taxes", Bill Clinton - "it's the economy stupid"

With Youtube, Mypsace, Facebook, hundreds of cable and satellite stations, satellite radio stations, ipods, and video games...if the message isn't short and impactful it can get lost in all of the other distractions that we call life.

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

nor do "they" care

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

smithinjapan:

"Your post is excellent and well thought out"

Thanks

"I honestly don't believe McCain can truly distance himself from Bush and the party -- he would be shooting himself in the foot for one, but Republican is rooted in his nature would be the more important reason."

McCain may not be able to distance himself from Bush. That may have more to do with the state of the economy than with McCain's voting record. A lot of people don't know nor do that care about what McCain voted for. People know what they feel; what is effecting them. When things are going well in people's lives the party of the president gets the credit and when things are going poorly the party of the president gets the blame. The only exception to this that I can think of was the 2000 election... an impeachment can be a huge game changer.

I don't believe that he is trying not be a Republican. Republican politicians vary in how closely they adopt the Republican platform. Some of Arnold Schwarzeneggers' views are very different in comparison to Newt Gingrich's but they are both Republicans.

I believe Obama has a good chance to win this race if he can successfully tie McCain to Bush. McCain is going to continue to not even mention Bush's name and talk about "reform". Biden will do well in the lone debate with Palin. The wild-card is Palin and she could steal everyone else's thunder. She had 37 million people watch her speech. That is pretty good for someone who was relatively unknown nationally a week ago. Most of buzz is about her...but it HAS only been a week since she was introduced to the country.

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Farmboy: Palin

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Farmboy Palin is turn out to be a great pick so far. Politics haven't been this interesting since...Barrack Obama. I agree with you though, her life and policies should be scrutinizes. Her kids should not.

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

Both McCain and Obama would bring change but in different ways. Obama would bring sweeping change because he would bring hordes of Democrats with him. I believe that the American people would feel as if we have a new beginning. Although not as dramatic, McCain would bring change as well because he would move the Republican party closer to the center, in the short term at least. This is a big deal because no one has been able to do this for the last two decades.

Obama and Biden have been well vetted over the years that they have been in Congress. McCain's pick of Palin has knocked the Obama campaign and the media off balance. Palin was never meant, as many here so fervently believe, to go after a large portion of Hillary voters that left the Democratic convention with a sense of disenchantment. She was, first and foremost, selected to shore up the Republican base. As Bay Buchanan put it " John McCain said "you give me the present, I'll give you the future"". The Republican Right ecstatically accepted the deal. Palin would bring change because her history has shown her to stand on the side of ethically behavior. She is a very religious person but many here on JT don't seem to voice any problems with very religious people in the Mideast so I'm sure that won't be a problem for her. :) Obama is very religious as well he just doesn't talk about it much.

The people of Alaska say that one of the reasons Palin is very popular there is because she has fought hard for the people WITH RESULTS. She happens to be the most popular government in the United States of America. McCain took a risk by selecting her that could blow up in his face, but there is a huge upside. The McCain campaign knows that the country is largely divided in half with about 12% of the people who are independent and not "single issue" driven. These people aren't as entrenched in there views as some here on JT and are willing to engage in a little "give and take". Palin has not proven that she can withstand the weight of the national spotlight yet so of course the jury is still out on her. She has Troopergate to contend with but from what is reported about the ex-brother-in-law, she may get a pass from the American people no matter what the outcome of the investigation. Another shoe could drop within the next 60 days...you never know. Keep in mind that she is running for the no. 2 spot. When was the last time a president died in office? Palin's duties will most likely consist of going to funerals of international leaders, making college graduation commencement speakers and standing behind McCain.

Some independents may think "its time to clean house for better or worse", the Obama-Biden ticket covers the domestic and foreign policy issues best, and/or Obama can be the first POTUS in history. If these issues are most important to these independents then they may vote for Obama. But some may think McCain is bless with good genes, his mother looks great for a 96 year old, McCain definitely wants to win existing wars and lead from a position of military strength to "keep us safe", Palin is the Republican Barrack Obama, Palin can be the first female VPOTUS in history. If these issues are most important to these independents then they may vote for McCain.

This is a fascinating race because i believe that it can go either way. Obama should be credited for running the greatest presidential campaign in US history. His campaign was exceptionally organized, they were very responsive, they defeated the Clinton machine, and he used modern technology to his advantage like no one before him. All in all a fantastic campaign. But it is possible for McCain to pull a "David and Goliath". A year ago McCain was out of money, his campaign was in disarray, he was standing alone on potentially campaign-ending issues (Iraq war and immigrants reform), and he had health issues. Somehow he was able to defeat the other better-funded candidates to become the nominee. He "bet the farm" on a little know governor who is turning out, so far, to be a rising star in the Republican party. If the McCain campaign can get her up-to-speed on some foreign policy issues and get her to the point where they feel comfortable letting her take questions from the media, she could win just enough of the sliver of independent voters to put McCain over the top. Hollywood couldn't script it better that this.

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

Thanks smith.

A simple: answer 1 = yes, answer 2 = terrorist, would have sufficed.

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Posted in: McCain, Obama grapple over mantle of change See in context

That last post is directed at Smith

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mar4eO: "Still can't bring ourselves to denounce those who flew the planes into the World Trade Center buildings and killed thousands of innocents (Mohammedans among them) from all over the world..."

smithinjapan: Show me a single poster on here who DOESN'T denounce them!

Two questions:

Did you denounce "them"? Who did you "denounce"?

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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