yelspal comments

hahaha - controlled demolition? Seriously - how gullible can you get?

It's because Obama hasn't figured out the difference between a religion and a political ideology

Maybe it's because Obama has figured out there is no difference between a religion and a political ideology.

"Ultra"-conservatives/nationalists/anarchists - followers of any extreme political movement demonstrate the same un-thinking "faith" that dodos following the christian/muslim/judean, and in fact any other religion, do.

There seems to be a human trait for blind adherence to religious/political dogma, although I just don't get it. It seems like mental illness to me. I can't think of single war or even minor conflict that isn't rooted in some moron insisting his brand of god/race/government was the right one and it was his/their/our/your DUTY to show unbelievers the error of their ways.

However ignorance might be strength, but is also weakness. The US constitution, may be outmoded, but it was written by intelligent, people, and it just won't be bent to suit as easily as that. As intended, it thwarts one sect deciding whats good for everybody.

To be polite, I wouldn’t eat anything during shooting...

Good looking, but a moron.

wind?

Shall we sum up this way: what you like to do and what your country do in general you consider it civilized. What you don't is uncivilized...

I will reiterate that there are things that go on in the world that are uncivilised in any country. Do you really need a list of things that are simply wrong regardless of the cultural tradition surrounding it.

Here is an example - http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/iran-stoning-sentence-for-adultery-draws-outrage. This drew criticism from around the world - because stoning a woman to death for adultery is wrong - no matter "what you like to do in your country".

Animals are not killed for food in the way dolphins and whales are killed in Japan in - what I regard to be - civilised countries.

Woman are not sentenced to being stoned to death in what I regard to be civilised countries.

Japanese eating dolphin is not eliminating the species, it just disturb you when you sleep: not really a priority.

That'll be the mercury attacking your internal organs - you had better see a doctor.

This is one of the differences between Japan and other countries. If an incident like this occurred to an Australian government-owned ship there would be an exhaustive investigation. Full stop.

The notion concealing pertinent data from other country's authorities also investigating the incident would be ludicrous.

It is a different mind-set - and one that allows too much autonomy to vested interests. Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha are writing cheques that sooner or later the Japanese government is not going to want to cash.

Yes - noted this little bandwagon last few days. But I'm sure there's time.

Of course it approached the AG, that's on all the videos. What the SS videos don't show is the harrassment operation, attempting to entangle the prop with ropes, that the AG was conducting on the whaling fleet prior to moving away and sitting idle. And it certaibly wasn't VERY far away since you can see the SM2 approaching.

Yes - he clearly had motive. Charge him.

Heda_Madness at 05:12 PM JST - 13th July Glenn Inwood, the spokesman for the Institute of Cetacean Research, said his information was the Ady Gil was idling in the water and then went ‘‘full steam ahead’’ to cut off Shonan Maru No.2.

Glenn Inwood is a PR hack for whalers and tabacco. He's also the guy that lied to the aircraft firm in Tassie telling them he was trying to locate the SSCS by air on behalf of the NZ government. You might as well quote the guy on the harpoon - except you'd get a straighter answer.

the cavitation trails shows that the AG was NOT stationary no matter how many times you say it.

Arrestpaul - I am typing this slowly for you. Boats need to be be moving fast enough to get steerage before they can manoeuvre at all. At no time did AD have anywhere near enough speed on to do anything about what happened.

The video is not ambiguous.

I have considered that I've owned boats for years so perhaps it is not so obvious to other people. So I pretended I lived up a mountain under a rock and had never seen a boat. And had another look.

Nup - it is still a video of a big boat running down a little one. It tries to get away - but doesn't get anywhere near succeeding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU

The second part of common sense v1.0. Nobody would deliberately drive a small boat under a big one in the Southern Ocean anyway. Not SS, and certainly not Peter Bethune. It is suicide. It was nearly murder.

You keep calling them "mad". However, it is ridiculous, as in to be ridiculed, to propound that Peter and his crew deliberately drove their cockle shell under a steel boat - by cunningly not moving - because they were all insane.

the cavitation trails shows that the AG was NOT stationary no matter how many times you say it.

sigh

It approached the AG with water canons to force the AG to move away (further from the whaking fleet).

Well - glad you're not pretending Security wasn't the aggressor any more. Wondering where that whaling fleet is though. It's not in any of the videos. The SSCS have the same right to be in the Antarctic as the whalers and the Ady Gil is obviously nowhere near a fleet of whalers. So just an act of intimidation that went wrong. Violent and incompetent - a great mix for the Southern Ocean.

arrestpaul - Pete wasn't charged with being involved in another collision at sea.

Now - why didn't they charge him with that???? Then Captain Bates could have put in an appearance and explained his actions in court, experts could have analysed the incident, and the GPS data could be made public.

Oh.

amerijap at 10:09 AM JST - 13th July MrDog: Leaglly speaking, it did occur on Japanese soil

It just depends what "it" is. The collision occurred in international waters. There is no jurisdiction.

Peter Bethune's trespassed on a Japanese registered vessel so Japanese jurisdiction (it's great at first when they tell him to go away and try to close the door - where did they think he was going to go?). Is also how come his knife changed into a sword when he moved from one vessel to the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5s2hJA95k

yelspat give it up. Look at the SM2 video looking down at the AG. You can't miss the propwash moments before impact confirming that the AG accelerated forward. Maybe you'd like to explain why the ady gil, a vessel immensely faster than the SM2 sat idle as the SM2 approached from a distance. Perhaps you can explain my Bethune and crew sat on deck watching the SM2 approach laughing like retarded high school kids rather than moving away. This topic is old and boring.

Delusional or paid. But good to see you are looking at the same video "sat on deck watching", "moments before impact".

The Ady Gil was not engaging the security ship. They were idling with the crew on deck - not down where the controls are. Mr chicken-st security ship ran them down while they were stationary. Yes I do accept mere incompetence to some degree by the Security ship - but he's the one that put both ships in that position - and then he couldn't get out of it.

He should be held accountable.

Ossan - anyone looking at this video - and summarising it as Ady Gil deliberately forcing the security ship to hit is - is delusional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar9zxH1kts

Here is footage from the Ady Gil right up to a few seconds before the crash - the crew are just hanging around on deck - Bethune wasn't in the cockpit. But you can pick it up on the footage from the ship - you can see them standing round - then desperately scambling to get in as the Security ship rams them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfGM-LzGKjc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dXCR9LX-Kc&feature=related

This collision was unprovoked. Sure - before this point Ady Gil had been literally running rings around them - but this collision was not engineered by the Ady Gil.

The Japanese ship's captain is primarily at fault and should be charged. Japan has insufficient political will to make contentious decisions. That is why it is breaking down in so many ways. Nobody has learned you can't make a cake without breaking eggs. The government seems to be run by the public service instead of the other way round - and when you get a "conservative" culture in a ministry - like Fisheries - they make decisions that follow their own idealogue - not considering Japan as a whole.

If it was a Aussie driving that Security ship - when he got home he would have some serious questions to answer, and it would be in a public forum. Only in Japan would he be totally ignored in favour of charging the victim.

Proof that Sea Sheeple lie through their teeth.

Actually I agree with you there. That was just stupid gamesmanship and I didn't help Peter or SSCS. If I was Peter I'd be telling both Sea Shepherd and the wife to at a rolling donut.

Of course your previous post stating Peter hoped to kill or injure his crew is patent nonsense. Nobody wants the protests to cause injuries or death (except you "there laughing all the way", and few others of course). He says it is likely to be a SS member because he's seen first hand what whalers are capable of.

Basically the whalers position seems to be - "we are dangerous lunatics - if you know that and still come near us - the violence we commit is your fault". I.e. - they are bullies. And, not very deep down, bullies are bullies because they are scared.

He was found guilty and sentenced by a Japanese COURT and not the whalers. Were he to reoffend the Japanese would seek extradition from New Zealand.

No they wouldn't - the Japanese government needs a high profile extradition battle with a anti-whaling protester like it needs a hole in the head.

Also - why does everyone think Peter Bethune is going back down to the Southern Ocean? You'll miss him I know - but he's gone, left you. Don't worry - there are plenty more fish in the sea (well - not really - but you know what I mean).

Or... maybe it looks like the ship goes hard starboard towards the Ady Gil because ship goes hard starboard towards the Ady Gil.

Just had another look and tried the whole sliding down a wave with captain bates valiantly struggling to avoid the dastardly Ady Gil scenario. But nup - the big boat turns and runs over the little one.

I do think he realised he'd gone to far, that AG was not underway, and he finally went hard to port at the last second. Which is lucky cos he was about to hit amidships and there would almost certainly have been deaths.

unless you've never actually seen a boat in reverse.

You think it was in reverse now?? I thought your whole schtick was that the Ady Gil deliberately drove under the Security ship? Or was it just a lead in to your dirty insinuations the following paragraph?

I don't think they were in reverse - it looks to me like they are trying to get some steerage at the last second - but it was already too late - most of them hadn't even made it back to the cockpit yet.

It was a dirty, dangerous manoeuvre that the Japanese Security captain should answer to in court (or court martial - not sure who's actually providing this Security).

Japan would punch someone in the nose and then charge the foreigner with getting blood on their hand.

twin 600hp engines were really churning the water at the moment of impact

You can't be serious - the 15 horse on my dingy puts out more wake than that - not the seafaring type I take it.

The Security boat captain lost it and either tried to give them a scare and misjudged, or deliberately rammed them. Look at the video - it clearly shows the Security Boat turning to starboard to intercept a barely moving Ady Gil.

older negotiated numbers (higher numbers) are still in effect.

ha ha ha - scrabbling here - not even half true.

OK - lets take this slowly - look at the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar9zxH1kts&NR=1&feature=fvwp

See? The big boat runs down the little one.

Seriously - do you think the Ady Gil crew suddenly decided to delberately drive under this huge boat - and then all go and sit around on the foredeck and watch.

So - no actual reasons to keep whaling then.

Or, perhaps Australia wsuld act like a civilized law abiding country

Ossan - you are missing the whole civilised and law abiding point. There is nothing civilised or law-abiding about the whaling. Australia may not always get everything right - but it is an open society with vigorous debate and a representative parliament. In terms of integrity, far above that of a grubby whaling company gusseted up as a research institute.

Question for me is why prod at Australia at all? Japan and Australia have deep trading links and generally positive relations. This is a dead industry and against the current world mega-trend towards ecological responsibility.

Why keep whaling?

Excellent.

Sorry schoolgirls. I apologise for implying schoolgirls whine like whalers. There's no one I do want to compare them to actually. Congratulations - a truly incomparable whaling industry.

Japan is completely out on a limb with this . No-one cares about IWC loophole version eight.

Australia are still trying to resolve this diplomatically and legally - Australia could easily project power out to the Southern Ocean. For obvious reasons that is a step they would rather not take. But why push Australia at all - where's the upside?

based on all available video footage no fault can be determined for the AG/SM2 collision

Note word "available". Look at the video. Use your own eyes. I have driven power boats around for 20 years. All I see is an, all-but-stationary, boat being deliberately mown down by a much larger one.

I see the same thing in all the videos. The angle showing Ady Gil side-on, and the Japanese ship from the front is the best angle to examine the claim the Ady Gil accelerated in front of the bigger boat. It absolutely did not.

Did Security Captain inadvertently steer the wrong way? He should answer this in a court of law. Was it accidental (incomptent), deliberate (attempted murder), or miscalculated - (just dangerous and stupid).

The Japanese rammed and sank a boat on the high seas and have been whining like schoolgirls that everyone is picking on them ever since. Spin spin spin - just watch the video...

raw footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar9zxH1kts&NR=1&feature=fvwp

expert opinion (aussie) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zuJUC-hvg&feature=related

You all missed my point. As I said - I seriously doubt Peter Bethune is going to join Sea Shepherd in the Southern Ocean again - he's pretty much done his dash there. He was only down there at all because in the sales contract he had to captain Earthrace for the first 6 months SSCS owned it.

My point was that a suspended sentence cannot be enforced unless Peter places himself back in Japanese territory (or boat or embassy). Interpol? Someone's been reading too much Biggles.

Yes - IF he is down there again and IF the "security forces" ram another boat and he ends up in the water and IF he survived. Japan can finally jail him for you. Frankly - I think your chances are slim - still - never say die eh?

Ossan - I don't think anyone thought they knew how it was going to turn out - just that it would probably gain a lot of publicity.

Bullies always think all they have to do is show more force and opponents will back down. And Greenpeace probably helped that by backing down when the Japanese started ramming their ships. However, despite your assertion, it is not true that it is the protesters have been escalating the violence. Will you cry foul if SSCS also use LRADs next year?

Lastly - spin it however you like - looking at the best footage of the ramming - the Japanese captain lost his blob and rammed the Ady Gil. I personally cannot see how anyone looking at the footage can come to any other conclusion.

Look at it again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar9zxH1kts&feature=fvw

The incompetence theory is pretty thin - he must have had some experience driving a boat - or he wouldn't have been down there.

Zenny - I do not want it to go there. I am just calling it the way I see it. It is escalating year on year. I have no control over these events.

While I'm pretty sure he won't - you seem to miss in post above that Peter can lob whatever he likes at Japanese ships - he won't go to jail unless he then goes and climbs back on board a Japanese boat.

Anybody that thinks Peter is simply going to climb back onto Japanese security boat is lala. Sorry - think it a little unlikely you're going to see Bethune in prison in Japan. You can buy his book if you miss him.

Anyone confident that this show of resolve will deter protesters from challenging the whalers at sea is also sadly deluded. The protests are just going to ramp up and up until Japan stops whaling.