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Posted in: One dead, 10 injured after vehicle rams into people leaving London mosque See in context

@blacklabel

My meaning of the word responded was not a police response or a security response. It was a verbal or written response that suited the narrative Muslims wanted to push.

I know exactly what you meant; that's why I called you out on it.

The Muslim community demanded it be called a terrorist attack. The media and government immediately responded to that by calling it such.

Did they make that demand? Before the media had called it that? When? Where? Or did you just make that up / read it on Breitbart?

The community then demanded that the media and government tell the story of how the attacker was not harmed and that is the true Islam.

What? Should they have lied and reported that he was harmed even though he wasn't? What are you even talking about? He wasn't harmed, that's a fact, and their job is to report facts.

Then it was Islamaphobia, which the government and media then started pushing too.

Given that the attacker said he wanted to kill all Muslims, this is not an unreasonable thing to call it.

All the other attacks, the ethnicity and name and anything else about the attacker was withheld for a couple of days to not impede the investigation. This attack, it was announced within 6 hours the name of the guy, the fact that he is white, his age, his hometown, and that it was a terrorist attack.

It's a much quicker task to identify someone when they are alive and talking. This really isn't a difficult point to grasp, so it seems to me you have intentionally not done so.

Otherwise they would have withheld all info like they always do until they raided his home and checked his associaterwise they would have withheld all info like they always do until they raided his home and checked his associates

Disingenuous again; they did raid his home and check his associates. You're criticising non-existent sequences of events.

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Posted in: One dead, 10 injured after vehicle rams into people leaving London mosque See in context

@blacklabel

I was just very alarmed how the media and government seemed to just immediately respond

Were you also very alarmed when the media and government responded immediately to the attack last week in Borough Market? If not, why not?

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Posted in: Tight fit See in context

That used to be my life. I don't miss it!

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Posted in: Japan scouring for maps with 'East Sea' to seek name change See in context

Conversation I recently had in Seoul (abridged):

Me, to Korean friend: "You guys should just chill out about the sea name thing, it isn't important; you call it Dong Hai, they call it Nihon Kai, and let everyone else call it whatever they call it in their own languages"

Korean friend: "Yeah, but how would you feel if Ireland called that sea between you and them the Sea of Ireland"

Me: it's called the Irish Sea. By everyone.

Friend: (mind blown!)

...I went on to point out all the other examples (Gulf of Mexico, Taiwan Strait, etc). I think my friend realised it would look stupid to keep on pushing her point, and changed the subject!

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

Can't the UK hold another Brexit vote? And then another? And then another?

Yes, in theory, until we've actually left.

What kind of system is that?

Democracy.

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

Hi Strangerland,

The final terms under which the UK leaves the EU are yet to be negotiated, and the results could turn out a number of very different ways.

In the most extreme case, the UK simply leaves the EU with no agreement or transitional arrangements in place with regards trade, status of EU nationals in the UK or UK nationals in the EU, etc, and completely leaves the single market in every way, shape & form, thus reverting to WHO trade rules for trade with the EU.

Opposite end of the scale is what people often term the 'Norway option' i.e. leaving the EU but remaining in the single market as (or similar to) an EFTA member, as Norway is.

Since the referendum, May has appeared to be steering us towards a hard Brexit; hopefully she (or whichever Tory may succeed her) will now be forced to compromise.

As a remainer, I'm livid that we're leaving the EU, but I've had to accept it; what I now want is for us to at least continue as EFTA members in the single market.

EFTA membership isn't palatable to most Brexiteers, as it wouldn't end free movement for EU nationals; hard Brexit isn't palatable to most remainers, as it takes us out of the single market. Somewhere in there, the govt has to try finding a deal that doesn't leave half of the country furious

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Posted in: May to lead minority government backed by Northern Irish party as Brexit talks loom See in context

@arrestpaul

Once again, the polls were proven to be wrong

The polls mentioned were at the time the election was called, not on the eve of it - in the intervening period, Corbyn ran a great campaign and May ran an omnishambles, so it's not a huge surprise that the position changed dramatically. The polls taken in the final week were actually fairly close to what ended up happening.

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

Ok, so the dust has settled and we have a Tory minority government, with 10 DUP votes to prop it up on a vote-by-vote basis. Not a wonderful outcome in my book, and I haven't been joining in the Labour celebrations; Labour didn't win, and the DUP are an antediluvian bunch of knuckle-dragging creationist balaclavas. Hideous for them to hold the balance of power.

But I do hope this leads us away from the extreme Brexit we were careening towards, and towards a more balanced approach, and I certainly look forward future elections. Furthermore the screeching of the tabloids is having less and less influence, Murdoch is fuming, and a Scottish referendum should be kicked to the long grass for now.

Weak, hand wringing and pathetic

That description is far more applicable to May than to Corbyn!

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

@bass

It doesn't matter how much he condemns it if he doesn't take any preventive measures

Why do you think he hasn't? And, far more glaringly, why do you lay this entirely at his door, when the Prime Minister, Home Secretary, police chief, and intelligence services are far more responsible than the Mayor of London for tracking extremists and preventing attacks? Why the fixation on Khan? We know Trump has a personal animosity to Khan, but have you simply taken up that same animosity through Twitter osmosis or something?

@clamenza

I feel bad for Londoners

So precious; nobody cares how you feel. Prove your claims about Khan, or stop commenting on this thread about Khan.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

didn't here him say the magic words

Abracadabra? Hocus pocus? There are no magic words for taking about jihadis.

You still haven't attempted to prove either of your false claims of statements you attribute to Khan; your silence speaks volumes.

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

@fizzbit

Very simple, if you want people to vote for your side, have an MSM fear campaign telling them your side is losing, to a rightist wave sweeping the world.

This sort of right-wing 'anti-MSM' post might be what you're used to pushing under US-related stories, but it makes no sense at all with regards the UK - the UK's media has a strong right-wing bias overall, being mostly owned by Murdoch, Barclay brothers et al, and they most definitely have not been pushing an MSM fear campaign to make people vote left wing. Quite the opposite in fact - but this time it didn't work (Rupert Murdoch is reported to be furious)

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

Although Labour are celebrating a much improved showing, I've just read it's confirmed to be a Tory/DUP coalition. Hideous. At least the majority is wafer-thin

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Posted in: As Brexit talks loom, UK election leaves May hanging by a thread See in context

@jimizo

Well, there are only 2 parties in NI with any seats, and Sinn Fein doesn't take its seats in Westminster and would never form a Westminster coalition with the Tories (or anyone else), so that 9/4 is on a Tory/DUP coalition - which would have a 2 seat majority by the look of things right now

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

No one had the guts to tell him

Having 'the guts to tell him' what you think of the job he's doing, and attacking him for positions he doesn't take and statements he didn't make, are two very different things.

The problem with Trump's outburst is that he did the latter.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

khan said it very clearly in his now infamous GMB interview

I've seen the interview I think you mean, and he did not say either of the things you've claimed; but perhaps you've seen an interview I haven't? So I invite you to link it, and I'll watch and see.

Or decline to prove it (because no such thing exists), thus making a tacit admission that it's a false claim.

he's a terrorist apologist

He condemns terrorists in the strongest terms. You're making things up.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

@clologist

He

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

@clamenza

While Sadiq says he can't keep track of 400 jihadists allowed back in the country after fighting for ISIS

Stop making things up. When did Khan say this one then? You still haven't got back to me on your earlier false claim that he said PC is more important than lives, and you know you can't prove this latest one either.

Whats the fixation with Khan, anyway? If you want to talk about the tracking of jihadists in the UK, fair enough - but that is not Khan's job. Please talk about the people who are actually responsible for that, if you have the slightest clue who they are.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

It was a legitimate question

Attributing a false statement to someone and then saying it leaves you speechless is not 'a legitimate question', it's a straw man attack. Precisely the illogical tactic employed by DJT this week (and most weeks)

I'm not the far left, you don't have to worry about honesty with me

Its irrelevant who or what you are. I'll judge the honesty of your statements and arguments each on their own merit, and you made a dishonest claim about something I never said.

you guys don't need to gloat about Trump

Which guys? To what group are you assigning me?

I'm not goating about Trump. I'm criticising his appalling conduct this week in attacking an the mayor of London instead of supporting an ally, all to score political points with his base.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

Sorry, my post got garbled. should hav read thus:

@clamenza

Yet doesn't have the integrity to say the words Islamic extremism.

Doesn't he? Odd claim. I've heard him use them, along with 'radical Islam' etc. Is this another case of the PC fairies? Did you read it on Breitbart?

@bass

you think 3 terror attacks within 9 weeks is nothing to worry about?

I made no such statement, and to suggest I did is thoroughly dishonest; straight out of the Trump playbook.

Like I said, that would never happen in Texas

It happened in Florida, with guns, and an awful lot more than 8 people were killed. The Mayor of London expressed solidarity, the British PM did not attack the mayor of Orlando on Twitter, and JT wasn't flooded with posters gloating about it.

you guys know a lot about Trump or the US?

Which guys? To what straw man group are you assigning me?

No guns, oh, right up their ally.

Indeed. I would much rather be faced with a jihadi wielding a knife than one firing an automatic rifle. I'm quite happy with the UK's gun laws; you're evidently quite happy with US gun law. Fair enough.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

@ccty, the British PM did not attack the mayor of Orlando on Twitter, and JT wasn't flooded with posters gloating about it.

you guys know a lot about Trump or the US?

Which guys?

No guns, oh, right up their ally.

Ine

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

"you guys, you guys, you guys?"

If you're talking to me, please address what I said, not what other posters said.

Once again, Khan said people shouldn't be alarmed at the sight of extra armed police. He didn't say 'there's nothing at all to worry about' or words to that effect, as Trump mendaciously claimed.

You obviously have little clue about the UK, but we don't usually see armed police on the streets at all; when people do suddenly see them, they may be alarmed that an incident is happening right there & then. It's therefore simply a sensible statement for the mayor to say to Londoners in advance that there will be additional armed police deployed and not to be alarmed by their presence.

The reason I'm 'dumping on Trump' is because he is constantly BSing. This is just one more example.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

Clamenza,

First of all it's perfectly possible to discuss problems with the UK's immigration policy without launching personal attacks against Khan - who is not and never has been responsible for UK immigration policy. PM May, however, had that job for years - indeed, the same job in which she reduced our police numbers by 20% - and yet mysteriously you focus your venom on Khan and not her. Care to attempt an explanation? Or do you just parrot whatever BannonTrumpBart is spewing out in the week in hand?

Secondly,

consequence of an open door immigration policy

The UK does not have an open door immigration policy. What are you talking about?

and a 30 year appeasement of Radical Islam

What are you on about? You think we had radical Islam issues in 1987? News to me. The issue then was Irish terrorists.

@bass

A true friend should always be direct and honest

Aye, and Trump is not being honest. His mendacious attacks on Khan aren't honesty, they're opportunistic self-serving bile. It's perfectly possible to discuss mistakes you think the UK has made on security, immigration policy, etc, without lying and smearing the mayor of London.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

My point is clear. Trump attacked Khan with mendacious accusations at a time when he should have been supporting an ally.

You are either unable to see through the falsehoods, or enjoying partaking in them.

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@bass

even my 10 year old daughter can tell a lie when she hears it, I'm surprised that his nose didn't grow 10ft. On this one, Trump was right on every Tweet about what he said about the major

Even your daughter can, but you apparently cannot. Trump was not right about what he said about the mayor; he engaged in utter mendacity, attacking him for things he demonstrably did not say at a time when he should have been offering support to America's closest ally. Disgusting behaviour from a US president.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

The majority of British people outside London agree 100% with Trump on this

No, we don't. The majority of British people inside & outside London think Trump is an utter disgrace for his comments this week.

One thing has become very clear these last few days from Trump's comments, and those of his supporters. The alt right screeches that 'Muslims don't integrate, Islam isn't compatible with democracy, Muslims don't condemn terrorism, PC stops people calling the problem what it is'; but when faced with a Muslim who is so well integrated he was voted mayor of London, who demonstrates the compatibility of democracy with Muslims, who absolutely condemns terrorism, and who absolutely calls radical Islam extremism exactly that, instead of saying 'good man', the alt right go all out attack with baseless accusations, attacking him with demonstrable lies about what he said.

What this makes clear is that the alt right don't want Muslims to integrate, they don't want Muslims to embrace democracy, they don't want Muslims to condemn terrorism. They can't stand people like Khan who are living proof of their mendacity. They want to hate all of them, and will twist things however they must to justify it.

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Posted in: 7 killed, 48 hospitalized after London terror attacks; 3 suspects shot dead See in context

The guys were wearing suicide belts, which turned out to be fake. They had to shoot them full of bullets to prevent a possible detonation; shot them 50 times apparently. Of course it would be better to arrest at least one if them alive if possible, but in that situation they have to eliminate the threat first & foremost. I reckon they wore the fake suicide belts in order to ensure they would be killed.

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@clamenza

more interested in political correctness than the lives of their own men, women and children.

Absolute garbage. Find me one single example of a British politician stating that being politically correct is more important than lives.

@JeffLee

No mate, you give me a break. Yes, thankfully our armed response teams are well trained & equipped, and in a constant state of readiness; obviously this requires funding. The problem is lack of funding in other areas - the key one being not having sufficient manpower available to keep 24/7 tabs on all persons of concern.

The armed response guys did excellent work this week; sadly, they wouldn't have had to if these guys hadn't slipped through the cracks. Your claim that they were somehow intentionally allowed to slip through the cracks 'because PC' is nothing more than useless rhetoric which gets us nowhere.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

SO what part of PC is 'garbage'?

The part where you claim 'PC' is responsible for terrorist deaths because it stops the police from acting.

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Posted in: Trump criticized for tweet on London mayor after bridge attacks See in context

@Blacklabel

According to the liberals and media nothing can be done about any of this and just have to hope terrorists get tired of killing people I guess.

Absolute falsehood. Nobody has said nothing can be done.

let him go both times, that's not a funding issue. This isnt the first time people were investigated, let go and then later committed attacks.

As explained in my earlier post, this is not a 'PC' issue; it's a funding issue, as they don't have the resources to track every single person referred all the time. They've been left having to assess the threat level and prioritise what they judge to be the greater threat. Also a legal issue; if they move when they don't have any solid evidence, they may not be able to actually press any charges.

No one wants to be wrong and be accused of being racist, so they err on the side of letting people go. So PC fairies it is.

Where do you get this 'PC' fixation from? Breitbart? Infowars? Trump himself? Somewhere else? It's complete garbage.

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@Blacklabel

Ok, maybe something was done, but it was obviously ineffective

Because of the 'PC' fairies?

Or because of underfunding the security services at a time when they're trying to deal with a very complex threat?

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